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Re: Broadchurch [Re: GuybrushThreepwood] #1020378
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Finally took a bit of a break for SWTOR to watch more Broadchurch 2. Only first 3 episodes, but I think Alec Hardy in the other case has the cart before the horse. I think he's got murderer and witness reversed.

As for the main case, I don't know. I haven't made up my mind whether I believe the initial confession and flash back. Could be defendant did it. Could be covering for some one else. I actually had a different suspect in mind for the first season. So if they pulled a switch and had the accused not guilty I wouldn't be shocked.

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Re: Broadchurch [Re: GuybrushThreepwood] #1020389
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Re: Broadchurch [Re: GuybrushThreepwood] #1020574
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Watching all these British crime dramas with trials in them could give me a probably unfair view of British courts. Are they really that bad that a confession which led to the accused being beaten got thrown out because of the spurious argument that he confessed because of the beating, when in fact it was his confessing to the murder that resulted in the beating. I think it was hypocritical of the judge to than make another rulling leaving something in, which she probably should not have, claming she trusted the jury to make the right decision. Why didn't she trust the jury to decided whether the confession was valid or not? Seems to me that should be the jury's decision not the judges. And frankly If I was on a jury I would ignore such an order and would consider the confession. On the other hand, every question the defense asked the victim's mother was irelevent to the charge and the judge should have not allowed the questions.

Oh and I suspect things happening in the defending councils life are clouding her judgment in this case.


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Re: Broadchurch [Re: GuybrushThreepwood] #1020686
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Guybrush, I expect those are just like what is on our tv...hardly a correct representation. wink


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Re: Broadchurch [Re: GuybrushThreepwood] #1020824
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I think it’s obvious that a crime series such as Broadchurch and other works of fiction and should be viewed and enjoyed as such i.e. fiction. Take the well loved amateur detective so beloved by crime writers, the Miss Marple’s and Hercule Poirot’s etc, who we know in our hearts, would never have been allowed within miles of a real life crime scene. My favourite TV crime series is Morse but I never questioned why the amount of murders supposedly committed in the small university city of Oxford, would rate alongside as those in Chicago, when I know only one murder in over four years was actually committed in Oxford.

However as Gaybrush pointed out, we are less lenient on specific details in the story, as for example in court proceedings. I have never watched Broadchurch so I can’t comment on the show but in relation to how confessions relate to English law the following maybe of interest.

If a confession was obtained be threats or violence by a member or members of the public or by the police, then that confession would not be admissible in the trial of the accused. All police interviews with an accused are recorded and timed. On arrest the accused also must be warned that anything they say maybe given in evidence, i.e. they have the right to remain silent.
It doesn’t make any sense for the police to extract a confession by threats or violence as they would be guilty themselves of a crime, also they know any such confession would be irrelevant in the trial. So it doesn’t make sense to extract a confession by those means. Unless the confession is supported by concrete evidence that it is 100% genuine, it would not be admissible in the trial. However, if a confession was made in front of a number of witnesses, than it would count in evidence against the accused.

Incidentally the county of Dorset is really a lovely place to visit and guess what!! I’m taken a holiday there in a few weeks time.

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Re: Broadchurch [Re: GuybrushThreepwood] #1020850
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Absolutely Anna, also historical movies are made for their entertainment value and definitely not for the purpose of instructing their audience in history. For example, Princess Isabella, when supposedly engaged in a relationship with Mel Gibson in Braveheart, was in fact just four years old. Not that it matters a jot, as long as you view the movie as pure entertainment.

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I watch a lot of British crime "fiction" AND a lot of American crime "fiction" (and find they differ quite a lot) but whether they are "true" to life or not doesn't matter very much to me as I view them as purely entertainment yes

Crime "fact" is altogether a different cup of tea, of course, and I watch plenty of that, from home and abroad, too !! laugh


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Re: Broadchurch [Re: GuybrushThreepwood] #1020892
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I love watching the British mysteries series many take place in the beautiful English countryside. Another one i enjoy is Father brown. Have any of you watched it?


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I have not heard of Father Brown but I am off to Google it now. smile


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Re: Broadchurch [Re: GuybrushThreepwood] #1021547
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I've seen the old Father Brown but not the newer one.

Oh that's a dirty trick end Broadchurch 2 episode 7 without letting the jury chair person (why don't they just say chairwoman?) state the verdict. When did England abandon unanimous verdicts? And why? What ever the jury says I still don't have my verdict.

So whats Broadchurch 3 going to cover?

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Originally Posted By: GuybrushThreepwood
I've seen the old Father Brown but not the newer one.

Oh that's a dirty trick end Broadchurch 2 episode 7 without letting the jury chair person (why don't they just say chairwoman?) state the verdict. When did England abandon unanimous verdicts? And why? What ever the jury says I still don't have my verdict.

So whats Broadchurch 3 going to cover?


England has never abandoned unanimous verdicts; the sole decision of guilty or not guilty is decided by the jury. In certain circumstances the judge may accept a majority verdict—11-1 but only after if the foreman of the jury has told the judge after 50 hours of trying, in his/her opinion it is not possible to reach a unanimous verdict.
Not sure what you mean by a chairperson, the leader of an English jury (Elected by the members of the jury) is called the foreman.

Although the American justice system was based on the English system there are differences in both.

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[quote=GuybrushThreepwood]

So whats Broadchurch 3 going to cover?


I read that the show will have eight episodes and that the original stars will return but that it won't air until 2016.


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In America if its not a unanimous decision by the jury the judge will declare a mistrial, after asking the jury to try again several times. And the prosecution will have to decide whether to refile charges and start over. They claim the Constitution's prohibition against being put in jeopardy twice over the same offense only counts once a "not guilty" verdict is rendered. And now even if found not guilty the accused can still be sued in civil court for violating the victims civil rights by killing them, which never makes sense to me. How can you be civilly responsible for an act you've been found not guilty of committing? To me its just a way to ignore our Constitution.

Anyhow here's the BBC America teaser for Broadchurch series/season 3


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thanks for the link Guybrush. Broadchurch is a great show. I'm really looking forward to Broadchurch and Homeland returning. This year will be the final season for Orphan Black too.


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Oh and I found an article that said the crime is sexual assault.


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Thanks, Guybrush.


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I really enjoyed the new season of Broadchurch. I love how they convince you that ten different people are guilty.


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I just started watching the third season. Had it on DVR for months. And the scenes with Mark and Beth make me so angry. She stands there not seeing the anguish in her husbands eyes or hearing the pain in his voice, won't listen to what he's telling her he needs and she has the nerve to say he doesn't hear her. She does not give a [blip] that he's been torn apart by their son's murder and then accuses him of carrying for no one but himself. Not only does she have no concern or respect for her husband, but she allows their oldest daughter to disrespect her father.

I could suspect Mark of dealing with his anger by become a rapist but its probably too soon for suspecting people. And probably too obvious. I made that mistake in the first series/season when I though I knew who the killer was early on.

As to the victim's not telling who she had sex with before the rape. I have a theory about who that could be, probably wrong.


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Hmmmmmmmm, I'll have to get around to watching that one of these days wavegirl


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One of my suspects for who she was with willingly turned out to be the rapist. So I was half right.

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