I know I have a peculiar & stubborn PC but when I do what all of you have told me to do the options part has NOTHING about Saves, so I am doing a CTRL+S & fortunately am getting back to my last save. It will be a problem if I get messed up & need a previous save. and even more screwy - when I go to the innards of the PC I show a Riven Save Game 1 & it always brings me back to where I need to be!! go figure???!!

When you go to the top of the screen what choices do you actually see?

I will check that out when I get back to the game. By the way a new problem has cropped up. When I tried to do the frog catching thing I was never able to get any. I put the foodin the center (the trap closed without any help from me & the WT says not to close it, Anyway I opened it up, lowered it waited for ahile & pulled it back up with NO frogs in it. I went on ahead in the game. PLEASE TELL ME I DON'T REALLY NEED THOSE FROGS. I'll never find my way back there!!!!

Thanks for all the help I'm getting from everyone. But I think you are all crazy, I'm not HAVING ANY FUN playing this game & if it weren't for your help I would have scrapped it a long time ago!!!!???

I recall closing it and waiting.......forever, it seemed. I definitely recall it taking five minutes before I heard a sound, raised the trap and found a frog in it. I can't say it is necessary to catch a frog but the purpose is that you will hear that sound and use it somehow later in the game. There are five sounds and shapes in the game that I later read in a WT that are some sort of clues to solving certain puzzles. I played the game without a WT and pretty much without sound and still got through it O.K. I have some saves and a bunch of notes.

Don't give up. I didn't think it a particularly easy game, either, but it's a great game despite it. We'll get you through it!

OK here's what comesup when I go to top of screen: TRANSITIONS: None, Fastest, Normal, Best. OPTIONS: Water enabled, 640x480 resolution, zipmode, ambient sounds, setup. & then the HELP column: about, credits.

Nothing there looks like a save game place to me??

New problem, am at the 'Finally a Mp Island'. Now, I more or less, mostly less, understand what to do thanks to WT but I am supposed to go down the 'lift' to go to the tram car to go to island.
Can't find the 'lift'.

If I didn't have bad luck I wouldn't have anyluck at all!!!

Mome, it looks like I'm going to have to install this game and see what I can find to help you out. I'm sure it will all come back to me once I get into it.

I really don't have an inkling to where you are and where you are trying to go. If you want, EMail me a good size section of the WT you're reading and indicate where you are and I'll try to work it out for you.

Almost forgot to ask. Are you playing this on Windows98??

Oh BillyBob you are sooo nice. Don't go to the trouble of replaying unless you really want to. I am at least able to pick up the game where I lave off each time I am using the WT from the Spoiler Center & will see about getting it to you. I am at Map Island where you look down over the water & see a 'map of the places in Riven you have been, pres each squarea water forms over the island. Does that ring any bells??

Mome, I don't think you need a "lift" here--this is how you got up to the maps: "exit the rail car, head through the doorway, and up the steps outside". To get back down, just reverse the steps: down the stairs, through the doorway and into the rail car--BUT when you get in the car don't move it forward, just turn it around and get out the other side...

After reading Jenny's post and RE-reading yours I finally understand where you are/were!

Jenny got it right, of course, and if not for her I'd still be scratching my head.

Mome,
From the menu at the top of the page, check "set up" under Options. Your "save as" option might be there.

There are two ways to get to Plateau Island (sometimes called Spike Island). If you come over from the tram near Gehn's lab on Crater Island, you'll pass the spikes and take the elevator up to the overlook of the mini islands and the map room with the topography machine. There is also a tramway to and from Jungle Island, but you'll have to explore the lower level of the island to find it.

I simply cannot believe that the one thing I needed to play this game & none of you told me this. A glass of wine in one hand & the WT in the other was all I needed!!!! So after a few sips I found my way to the tram (I think I must have been clicking on the wrong spots on the map.

Thanks for all you help.

Mome