Re: Virtual PC and VMware
[Re: SharonB]
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11/26/15 04:33 PM
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I got Win 98SE and installed it. It took 3 tries to get it right. Which did you install in? VMware Player? VirtualBox? Virtual PC 2007? As I said before, I had no luck with Windows 95 or 98 in VirtualBox. It kept freezing and was no good for anything. If a game works in XP, you could try installing XP in VirtualBox. On Windows 7, I think Virtual PC 2007 is your best bet, and it's possible Virtual PC 2007 SP1 version works better on 64-bit Windows 7 than the original Virtual PC 2007. If you have Windows 8 or 8.1, you may need VMware, but you'd probably be better off with an older version that supports a Windows 98 guest OS. Yes, installing a compatible version of VMware Tools is a must. There are couple of patches mentioned in the link below (which still seem to be available) - you might want to give them a shot. Game crashes still. HELP Look for Winterfury's post on the last page of the thread. I think those fixes are only for installing on XP, not a Windows 98 VM.
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Re: Virtual PC and VMware
[Re: petert]
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11/26/15 09:33 PM
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I think those fixes are only for installing on XP, not a Windows 98 VM. I wasn't sure which OS it was for, so maybe. I ran the game without issues under VPC 2007, but I don't recall if it was 98 or XP.
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Re: Virtual PC and VMware
[Re: petert]
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11/26/15 11:24 PM
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From Winterfury's Post#23 at http://archive.adventuregamers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3837&page=2the video fix does the same thing as reducing video acceleration in Windows 98, only it does it only for the game and not the whole of Windows 98. The advantage of the video fix is that you aren't reducing video acceleration for any other games you're running in your Windows 98 virtual machine. The disadvantage is that you have to get the patched xvideoio.dll into your virtual machine. Directions for what to do with the xvideoio.dll are in that Post#23. You have to put it into the DSOM\bin folder (first rename the xvideoio.dll file that is already in the DSOM\bin folder to prevent overwriting it). If you're able to access the patched file using Windows 98, that's not such a problem. But there can be problems accessing download sites with old versions of IE. In the past I've had to use one of these solutions: 1. Download an old version of Firefox that works with both Windows 98 and the download site for the patch 2. Download the patch onto my main computer, use Imgburn to convert the patch to an iso file, Start Virtual PC, mount the iso file in Virtual PC instead of my physical CD/DVD drive, copy the patch from what Windows 98 thinks is the D: drive to what Windows 98 thinks is the hard drive, and switch from the mounted iso back to the physical CD/DVD drive. You can see why it might be easier to try reducing video (aka hardware) acceleration in Windows 98. I don't remember exactly how to do it and don't have Windows 98 in front of me at the moment. I found these instructions on the Internet http://www.techadvice.com/w98/errors/2/er_00121.htm How to Adjust the video acceleration in Windows 98 -
Right click My Computer icon on the desktop select properties click the performance tab on the top of the window Click the graphics button on the button of the screen you will now see a slide bar. click on the bar and move it all the way to the left click the OK button repeatedly until the window closes then reboot the computer.
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Re: Virtual PC and VMware
[Re: petert]
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11/27/15 12:39 PM
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You can see why it might be easier to try reducing video (aka hardware) acceleration in Windows 98. I don't remember exactly how to do it and don't have Windows 98 in front of me at the moment. I found these instructions on the Internet That's an easy one - Control Panel -> Display Settings -> Advanced -> Performance Tab. You'll see the slider control to lower the hardware acceleration.
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Re: Virtual PC and VMware
[Re: SharonB]
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11/29/15 11:14 AM
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Do you think I need to reset the audio performance? It's possible. I remember I had to turn audio acceleration to none to prevent crashes in some games back when my game computer used Windows 98. Click the Start button in Win98 Click Run type the word dxdiag in the box and OK it Choose the Sound tab Move the slidebar to the left and OK it. I don't remember if you have to reboot. There may be a CPU speed problem if your computer has hardware virtualization enabled in the BIOS. Hardware virtualization makes virtual computers run much faster, which is not desirable when you're trying to emulate a 200 MHz computer for an old game from the 1990's. I've got to ask, in laymans terms, what is VMWare? What do you use it for? It is virtual computer software, like Virtual PC and VirtualBox. You use it to run a different operating system (in this case a different version of Windows) on your main computer inside of VMware. VMware Player is the free version. VMware Workstation is the pay version for PC. VMware Fusion is the version for Macs. Unfortunately the current version of VMware Player does not support Windows 98.
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Re: Virtual PC and VMware
[Re: petert]
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11/29/15 01:00 PM
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Unfortunately the current version of VMware Player does not support Windows 98. No, but the 2004 VM Additions did - I have it if anyone is interested. According to the VMware folks it's perfectly legal to distribute it.
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Re: Virtual PC and VMware
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11/30/15 12:52 AM
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Thanks so much Jenny. That's sort of what I gathered by the posts but wasn't quite sure. I might have to check it out.
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Re: Virtual PC and VMware
[Re: petert]
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12/02/15 10:12 AM
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You might check the Windows 7 and games thread stickied at the top of the Glitches forum.
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Re: Virtual PC and VMware
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I tried over and over again to get W98 to work on a variety of programs - Virtual PC, Oracle VirtualBox and VMware - but finally admitted that my brain was not up to the task. So I fired up my old W98 computer and am steadily re-running my old games for the last time before the old machine gives up the ghost. Don't assume your Windows 98 computer is going to give up any time soon. I have computers older than that that still work. The first thing to go wrong is usually the CMOS battery, which can be replaced. I am grateful for all the advice and help that I received during my attempts, but it is clear that I am unable to achieve my end aim. I am still curious about what the problem is. It seemed like you were able to start the Windows 98 install, but it would not boot to the desktop after installing. Windows 98 should be able to boot to the desktop if you skip having the tools installed. I do have XP sort of available in Oracle VirtualBox so I can run any of the old XP games that will not run easily on Windows 7. Surprisingly enough, quite a few of these will run on Windows 7 - Syberia 1 and 2 and Lost Horizon to name but 3 - so the time has come to move forwards. There must more games like those three available, and perhaps GBs can point me towards those? If you are asking about older games that run in Windows 7, check the ***Windows 7 and Games thread*** that was started by Draclvr. Syberia has been reissued for Windows 7 and later, so even if the original does not work it's easy to play in Windows 7. Lost Horizon was published in 2010 so it supported Windows 7 to start with (lists XP, Vista, and Windows 7 on the box).
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Re: Virtual PC and VMware
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12/04/15 12:51 PM
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Being a pigheaded idiot, I searched the net and found a website containing the snappy title heading of:
"Windows 98SE on Virtual PC 2007 X64 on Windows 7 Professional 64 bits". I downloaded this and, to be fair, had some success.
I downloaded the Virtual PC program, extracted the Virtual PC files, clicked on "setup.exe", and then the installation was complete.
I then clicked on "Virtual Disk Wizard" and selected the option to create a virtual hard disk, and then typed in "C:\win98_virtual.vhd". I selected 'Dynamically Expanding' option, set up the VHD limit, and so far so good.
I clicked on the File menu in the Virtual PC window and selected "New Virtual Machine Wizard", selected "Create a Virtual Machine", chose a virtual machine name and directory, and then selected Windows 98, and then "Using the recommended RAM". I selected "An existing Virtual Hard Disk", and , from the Browse button, selected the virtual hard drive I had set up.
But then the problem started
The instruction in the website asked me to download the "Win 98 Boot floppy" from the 'Resources section below', but there ain't no resources section.
I did download a 'Win 98 Boot Floppy, and tried to use that but the instructions in the web site that I started from were then to "Drag and Drop 'Win 98 Boot Floppy' into the Virtual Machine window".
But it won't go. When I try to drag the unzipped floppy into the Virtual Machine window, I get the "No Entry" sign.
Maybe I should have stuck with my original plan to use the old W98 machine - which I am still using - but it annoys me that do not have enough nous to work out what I am doing wrong.
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Re: Virtual PC and VMware
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12/04/15 02:58 PM
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Use Steve's instructions for a non-bootable install - download the file he mentions, and you should be fine. If you can't boot Windows 98 from CD - Download the img file in this section. If you can't boot Windows 98 from CD If your Windows 98 CD isn't bootable, then we're going to have to boot from a (virtual!) floppy, much like the process we use to install Windows 95. Just save this win98se.img file to your XP hard drive. Then follow the steps below to install Windows 98 to your virtual machine.
1.Insert the Windows 98 CD in your CD/DVD drive 2.On the Virtual PC console, select the virtual machine you have created for Windows 98 and hit the Start button 3.The first time you bring up this new virtual machine, you get the following error message:
Reboot and Select proper Boot device or Insert Boot Media in selected Boot device
4.Not so fast. First, while we're here, we capture the CD for subsequent reboots. On the virtual machine menu: CD -> Use Physical Drive D: (or whatever the letter is of your CD-ROM drive) 5.Then, we capture the win98se.img file from where ever you saved it to on your XP hard drive via: Floppy -> Capture Floppy Disk Image... 6.Now reboot the virtual machine via: Action -> Ctrl+Alt+Del 7.Your virtual machine should boot off the floppy image, and you eventually wind up at the A:\> prompt :-) For future reference, note which drive letter the CD-ROM has been mapped to. Mine was D: (you see something like: Drive D: = Driver MSCD001 unit 0)
Next, we create a primary DOS partition:
8.At the A:\> prompt, enter: fdisk 9.Do you wish to enable large disk support (Y/N)..............? [Y] Choose: 1. Create DOS partition or Logical DOS Drive 10.Choose: 1. Create Primary DOS partition 11.Do you wish to use the maximum available size for a Primary DOS Partition and make the partition active (Y/N).....................? [Y] 12.You get a message that: You MUST restart your system for your changes to take effect. 13.So... Press Esc to exit FDISK, then from the virtual machine Action menu, select: Ctrl+Alt+Del (you boot again from the floppy image) 14.When your virtual machine boots this time, choose: 1. Start computer with CD-ROM support. (again, note which letter your CD-ROM drive has been mapped to. Mine changed from D to E here)
Now we format the DOS partition:
15.Now comes the really fun part, and your trust factor has to be high for this :-) At the A:\> prompt, enter: format c: (the virtual 16MB primary DOS partition you just created will be formatted in FAT32 format) 16.After that, just hit Enter to accept a blank volume label. Now we're ready to install Windows 98 to the virtual machine you have created. Don't worry that you only allocated and formatted a 16MB primary DOS partition. The virtual machine hard disk you created is *expandable*, and will take anything you can subsequently throw at it :-)
Install Windows 98:
17.Now remember which drive letter your CD-ROM is mapped to, and switch to there via entering something like: e: 18.Begin installing Windows 98 by entering: setup (allow ScanDisk to run, then the Windows 98 install 'splash' screen comes up) 19.When prompted, DON'T create a startup disk 20.The very first time you're asked to restart the computer, go to the virtual machine menu (remember, hold down Right+Alt and then move your cursor). Choose: Floppy -> Release "win98se.img". This way, when the virtual machine reboots, it will now boot off the hard drive rather than the floppy image! 21.Windows 98 should now boot from the virtual machine hard drive. Each time you're susequently asked to restart the machine during the installation process, choose option 1 to boot from the hard drive (instead of the CD). 22.Bear with it for a few more restarts, and finally you should have Windows 98 up and running :-)
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Re: Virtual PC and VMware
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12/04/15 08:15 PM
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I did download a 'Win 98 Boot Floppy, and tried to use that but the instructions in the web site that I started from were then to "Drag and Drop 'Win 98 Boot Floppy' into the Virtual Machine window".
But it won't go.
I've never tried to "Drag and Drop" a floppy image onto Virtual PC. I use the Virtual PC menu to add the floppy image (Floppy --> Capture Floppy Disk Image... ). Also I use the floppy image that's linked to on the ***Metzomagic webpage*** (the one Inland linked to). The direct link to the floppy image is here http://www.metzomagic.com/Help/download/win98se.imgMaybe I should have stuck with my original plan to use the old W98 machine - which I am still using - but it annoys me that do not have enough nous to work out what I am doing wrong. It's harder to install Windows 98SE if the CD is not bootable. If the CD is bootable, you don't have to mess with the floppy image -- just boot directly off the CD. There are advantages to using an old computer with Windows 98SE installed instead of in a Virtual Machine on a fast new computer -- less chance of the computer being too fast for the game.
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Re: Virtual PC and VMware
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12/09/15 10:39 AM
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Re: Virtual PC and VMware
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12/09/15 11:27 AM
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Perhaps, because my W98 disk was not the SE version, the installation booted from the CD. Some Windows 98 CD's are bootable and some are not. It's not related to whether they are FE (first edition) or SE. Retail boxed versions don't seem to be bootable. The OEM versions I've tried (those labelled "for system builders") have all been bootable, however there may be some that aren't. Anyway, glad to hear you got it working. Be sure to back it up. Copy the .vhd and .vmc files that are in your "My Virtual Machines" folder (or copy the folder they are on) to some other location on your hard drive so they can be easily copied back and restored.
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Re: Virtual PC and VMware
[Re: petert]
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12/11/15 01:01 PM
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Have backed up the files - thanks for the tip.
Thought I would try Mystery of the Nautilus because it used to work well in W98 in VirtualPC on my old XP machine, but when loading it in I was asked to load DirectX, But I cannot access the internet from the W98 machine which is running on the Windows7 machine. Presumably there is a way that I can get DirectX from the W7 machine into the W98 program?
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Last edited by petert; 12/11/15 01:06 PM. Reason: Clarification of problem
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