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#104560 - 08/02/04 08:55 AM Playing Of Light and Darkness
Becky Offline
The Medieval Lady
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I'm partway through the tutorial. The game is so different, I don't quite know what to make of it, but I'm liking it a lot. I suppose it could get repetitive, but right now I'm spending time with my jaw dropping open (mostly from surprise).

I just made it into the theater. Perfect setting for that particular sin. (Apologies to all actors.)

I like the matching aspect of the game. So far it's pretty logical. I don't know if I'll need a map -- I think I'd like to create one for myself (unless the map gives you hints to new locations?).

The graphics are great. The music is unexpected, but it fits.

Inventory is a little strange, but I'm figuring it out. The one thing so far I could do without -- the "ding ding ding" chime. Does that go away when you leave the tutorial?

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#104563 - 08/02/04 08:52 PM Re: Playing Of Light and Darkness
Becky Offline
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Rick -- I'm very sorry, but I can't move a post. I can only move an entire thread, not a post within a thread.

Would you mind copy-and-pasting the post here?

Thanks!

Annie -- oh dear. And that particular game box is so...memorable. Is the game likely to still be in the box, or are you looking for the jewel case? The game comes on 3 CDs, so it's one of those multiple jewel case thingies.

If the game is still in the box and you happen to live with a brother, you might want to poke around in HIS closet.

On second thought, bad suggestion.

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#104564 - 08/03/04 10:22 AM Re: Playing Of Light and Darkness
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posted 08-02-2004 04:54 PM
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Becky,
No problem. New thread for OLAD. I am going to read more today on the history of apparitions and stuff. The game village reminds me of a county fair at night, save the rides, lots of neon lights and cool places to check out. I have filled in more on the old sketch pad sheet, just added lots more stuff in pen. Apparition, Artifact and sin/rooms committed. Some rooms have some hidden rooms also. So far I am not bored, lots of great graphics on XP. I am now lost under the village and having fun.
Melanie and Glynn,
I trust that the rope does not have a loop and a knot in it.

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Best Wishes Always,
Rick

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#104565 - 08/03/04 12:27 PM Re: Playing Of Light and Darkness
Becky Offline
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Here are my guesses, based solely on reading the manual:

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I know Mani is Pride from the tutorial.

Quechua -- Pride
Raj -- Sloth
Koobooragong -- Anger
Wa-No-Te -- Lust
Amratus I -- Pride
Heung Po-Chi -- Pride
Shaamra -- Envy
Xuanchiquel -- Gluttony
Cain -- Envy
Shakem -- Greed (Avarice)
Tirinia -- Lust
Osira -- Anger
Admah -- Lust
Man of No Name -- Greed
Tiplotezca -- Anger
Zanazca -- Envy
Saman -- VERY difficult. A touch of Envy?
Droessus -- Greed
Piankhy -- Sloth
Serguis -- Gluttony
Alexanader -- Pride
Caligula -- Anger
Anka -- Lust
Ivan -- Anger
Marie -- Greed
Aleister -- Pride
Admar -- Also difficult. Enjoying the pain of others -- would that be Anger?
Alfred -- Pride
Carlos -- Anger
John -- Lust
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#104566 - 08/03/04 04:47 PM Re: Playing Of Light and Darkness
Rckasea Offline
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I thought that I got it. I read through the part on the apparitions and the next chapter is called," Those Responsible". Open it up to the credits for the game. rotfl
I cannot pin down the Dark Lord's stuff. I think that these are the really,really bad guys. They may have all the sins in combo. So I will just comment on the normal bad guy, apparitions. The game play in the book says, " These are the Dark Lord's apparitions", the normal bad guys, not labled, Dark Lord's. Mani we saw, yes and Shaamra,Tirinia and Anka's stuff was spelled out for us. I did note that Raj was lazy and resented his neighbors wealth and took it. It was not his wife's nagging that drove him into a life of crime. Nagging is not a Sin. smile Envey is though.
I read about AL Krupp a few times and can only say that he is a very Greedy business man with no heart. Now on to the game for answers. smile
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#104568 - 08/04/04 08:41 AM Re: Playing Of Light and Darkness
Becky Offline
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Annie -- Woo hoo!!! "When in doubt, excavate the garage" happens to be a motto of mine. NOT. I've been avoiding having to figure out what junk is stored in my garage for years.

I'm thrilled you found the game.

BTW -- have you ever played Odyssey: Search for Ulysses? Now THERE was a pigsty.

Rick -- yeah, the manual has parts that are pretty clever. So far Droessus is my favorite apparition from the manual. I think of him as the "Yankee Trader" apparition. His chief sin was that he was born in the wrong century.
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Droessus saw an opportunity in promoting the athletes for money.
Well of COURSE he did. What's wrong with that?

There are even worse bad guys? Bad guys that make Caligula look like a mere file clerk in the Department of Evil?

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#104569 - 08/04/04 03:39 PM Re: Playing Of Light and Darkness
Rckasea Offline
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Annie and Becky, lol I could not pin down him a few others not named as Dark Lords. luck
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#104571 - 08/04/04 08:32 PM Re: Playing Of Light and Darkness
Annie Offline
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I found the booklet, in my husband's computer room. Now I'm collecting artifacts and I'm off to find out how to redeem these characters. Guess I should read the booklet too.
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Farewell, Achenar!
"Perhaps the ending has not yet been written."

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#104572 - 08/05/04 07:14 AM Re: Playing Of Light and Darkness
Becky Offline
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Hey Annie -- yes, I think it's worth taking the time to read the booklet/manual. It gives some backstory and also describes the apparitions.

I think it's curious that the actor who plays "Brother War" in the game is named Victor Love. Could this be a joke?

I'm becoming interested as to whether all the apparitions were historical figures. Some of them seem too horrible to be real.

BTW Annie -- if you do the free tour, you'll get a tutorial on how to play the game. It's VERY helpful.

I'm really not much ahead of you. Though it looks as though Rick is way ahead of the both of us.

Rick -- have you found any quirkiness about the save game feature? (Limited number of slots, or inability to save except at certain points, for instance?) It strikes me that unlimited saves would make this game easier to play.

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#104573 - 08/05/04 05:18 PM Re: Playing Of Light and Darkness
Rckasea Offline
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Afternoon,
I have been only playing around in the village.
I did find that the pause button works to stop the timer, take notes and set up your next move.
The game play has an customized level and will check this out, also. smile I hope to go to the Mask room tonight and put the colored Orbs with the apparitions on my chicken scratch sketch pad. smile
This weekend I will really dive in and try play for real. If I have all things needed, apparition, artifact, color Orb and sin/sin room then I can give it a shot. luck
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#104574 - 08/06/04 03:30 PM Re: Playing Of Light and Darkness
Becky Offline
The Medieval Lady
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Registered: 02/16/00
Posts: 26894
Loc: Stony Brook, New York, USA
Rick -- thanks for the hint about the Pause button. Makes a big difference.

I've learned everything I can from the tutorial, and now I'm playing the real game. I've been taking notes like mad too.

I opened up the box again and found what must be the map. It is VERY helpful, partly because you can see the transportal symbols more clearly.

At some point we should all compare notes to see if the game randomly generates the orb and transportal locations and/or apparition colors. If they are randomly generated, it will be very hard to write a walkthrough (which would explain why there aren't a lot of them out there). So far I would say they are NOT random, (at least the transportals aren't) because I'm finding them at the same places when I start a new game. And the artifacts would have to remain the same. The orbs are another matter....

Any guess as to what the tall statue with a flame is holding in her other hand?

Every time I go into the Hall of Anger I have to turn the sound down or my family looks at me VERY strangely.

I still don't have much of a clue as to what the video sequences are about. The game has a plot mystery going too, I think.

Angel's face is beautifully animated, isn't it? I guess when you're that good to look at, who cares whether your conversation makes any sense? I saw the camera wheel around her once -- is she looking in a mirror during these sequences?

I got a good laugh out of the "game over" sequence with the trial. I suspect Gar Hob's quip is ad-libbed. Anyway, what he says sounds more like something James Woods would say, rather than something the Dark Lord of the Seventh Millenium would say.

The video with the kids at the end, though, is probably in First Place for the "Silliest Thing I've Seen in a Computer Game" contest.

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#104575 - 08/06/04 07:03 PM Re: Playing Of Light and Darkness
Annie Offline
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Registered: 12/31/01
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Loc: Tacoma, Washington
Becky and Rick:

I'm back. I had to take yesterday off from gaming to pay some attention to my husband. I hate how work and life interfere with gaming!

Becky: I did find the free tour and found it very useful. It helped me redeem my first soul. I can't find the map, though, and I'm dreading another hunt through the pig sty and the garage to find it. Maybe I'll try and get through without it. Don't suppose it's anywhere on the web? Maybe I should take a look.

I think the orbs may be random. I've had to replay a few times and I don't think they are always in the same places.

My weekend plans: read the manual; try out color combinations (in the free tour area); use my stop watch to time the color flashes (I assume these mark passing time) and intervals between the one minute warnings; go to the star room and try and figure out who gets what colors. My husband is working this weekend, so I'm planning pure game indulgence. I'll check back later and see how you are doing. I'm off......
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Annie
Farewell, Achenar!
"Perhaps the ending has not yet been written."

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#104577 - 08/06/04 10:27 PM Re: Playing Of Light and Darkness
Annie Offline
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Registered: 12/31/01
Posts: 772
Loc: Tacoma, Washington
Ooooeee, rock and roll! rotfl I've managed to redeem one more of these guys. But although I have a bunch more items, I haven't been able to redeem any more.

And, Becky, I guess you're right, the orbs are always in the same places.

Well, back to it.
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Annie
Farewell, Achenar!
"Perhaps the ending has not yet been written."

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#104578 - 08/07/04 03:05 AM Re: Playing Of Light and Darkness
Becky Offline
The Medieval Lady
Sonic Boomer

Registered: 02/16/00
Posts: 26894
Loc: Stony Brook, New York, USA
WEll, I've officially passed into the addicted stage with this game. On the back of the map are pictures of all the artifacts. I've had a great time matching them to the apparitions based on the descriptions in the manual. I was mystified by the artifacts at first (what evil could be perpetrated using an electric guitar or a placemat)? I may be over-reaching, but the artifacts sometimes represent the apparition's attitude, or they represent a possession that should have been used for good, but was wasted or neglected. Anyway, I'll see how good a matcher I've been as the game progresses.

Annie -- the map is helpful, but (so far) not neccessary. I haven't heard of it being on the web.

I still haven't figured out the color flashes either -- though I'm sure you're right, they have something to do with time. I think they are in some way connected to the apparitions of that particular color, but I'm not sure how. After yellow flashes, for instance, and before red flashes -- do you have to redeem the "yellow" apparitions within that time period, or else they can't be redeemed? Or do you have to pick up the artifacts that match the "yellow" apparitions within the time period, but can redeem them at any time? Or it could be something else entirely. I'm still experimenting with it.

Since the picture of the artifacts DID come with the game, I'm enclosing a description for you here -- I'll put it in as a spoiler so you don't have to refer to it if you don't want to:

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3 skulls, each with different-colored eyes
A religious symbol, vaguely cross-like
A rubber stamp (I think)
A spiral shell
A red exotic flower
An oyster shell
A purse
An abacus
A sheep
A knife -- it may be a surgical knife
A cigar
A branding iron (I think)
A flag with a skull and crossbones
A spoon
A heart
A piece of cloth. May be a placemat, may just be cloth
A noose
A Ying/yang symbol
A carved horses's head
A mirror with lipstick on it (I think)
A wreath (possibly to be worn on the head)
A knife, wooden handle
A squarish stone with a purple symbol on it
An electric guitar
A clown's face
A sword
A cannon (I thought this was a telescope for awhile)
EDIT!!! What I thought was a branding iron is apparently some kind of stone-carving tool. What I thought was a rubber stamp is apparently some kind of ancient writing device.
EDIT2!!!!Well, scratch the above stone-carving tool. I blew it. It IS a branding iron. Also, what I thought was a spiral shell is a actually a special stone.

YOu may notice that there are more apparitions than there are artifacts
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I'm going to be leaving tomorrow for a short trip to celebrate my 25th wedding anniversary! I'll be loading this game on my laptop and hope to play it while on vacation. I'm not sure I'll be able to get online, but I'll try.

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#104582 - 08/07/04 01:13 PM Re: Playing Of Light and Darkness
Rckasea Offline
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Registered: 08/11/00
Posts: 2565
Loc: Colden,N.Y.
Ok, I have been with my pre-computer unit for a few decades. I have been into computer stuff, since we needed punch cards to input. smile
Somehow, after five great kids, I get to play agin, (on the computer). smile
Anyhow, Annie did you find the Map room? I can not redeem anything until I have the color match.
I will try and hunt agin. <img border="0" alt="cry" title="" src="graemlins/cry.gif" />
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