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#104641 - 08/17/04 06:51 PM Re: Playing Of Light and Darkness
Becky Offline
The Medieval Lady
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Registered: 02/16/00
Posts: 26894
Loc: Stony Brook, New York, USA
Becky's Best Guesses as to what Happens in the Ending (Choose one):

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1. Gar Hob has actually been auditioning Angel for a new Role. It is she who becomes the Dark Lord of the 7th Millenium.

2. Angel discovers that Gar Hob is the evil twin of her love, Paul Jubal. She reaches deep in her soul and finds it possible to love him. Gar Hob is thereby redeemed.

3. The Chosen One comes to the throne room too late. He finds Gar Hob standing over Angel's lifeless body, which is rapidly disintegrating into a rainbow of light.

Gar Hob flings Angel into the Abyss, where she becomes a new constellation. Gar Hob turns the earth into boiling lava, saving only the children in the apocalypse scene who will be the new Adam and Eve when the earth finally cools down.

4. The final confrontation begins as you throw all your orbs at Gar Hob. You must do this in the correct order, which you were supposed to learn from the pattern in the Mask Room, starting with black/white as the first color.

When it seems as though your incompetence will lose the day, the MFers show up and blast Gar Hob into the Abyss with their electric guitars. Gar Hob becomes a constellation. Angel becomes the Earth Goddess, and the MFers go back to building stone circles. Everybody promises to write often.

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#104643 - 08/17/04 09:27 PM Re: Playing Of Light and Darkness
Becky Offline
The Medieval Lady
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Registered: 02/16/00
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Loc: Stony Brook, New York, USA
Hey Annie -- I haven't actually finished yet. The guesses above are just guesses as to what MIGHT be going to happen in the game when I finally do reach the ending.

I've redeemed EVERYBODY on Level 3 except green-eyed skull, and the game won't let me pick him up anymore. Did you, by chance redeem the skulls in the same order that you placed the orbs on the pyramid?

If so, I may have to replay the level in order to get the skulls redeemed in the correct order. Since there are so few saved game slots, I'm pretty sure the only save I have that would work is the one at the very beginning of the level.

Sigh.

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#104645 - 08/18/04 06:45 PM Re: Playing Of Light and Darkness
Annie Offline
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Registered: 12/31/01
Posts: 772
Loc: Tacoma, Washington
Becky: I had two games of OLAD running. In one of them, the objects disappeared from my inventory, and although I could click on them in their places on the apocalyptic devices thingys, I couldn't pick them up. Is this the problem you are having with the green eyed skull? If so, here's the solution if you want it:
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One of the spirits has stolen the skull from you and put it in a bag which (at least in my game) is hanging on the wall in the Marie Antoinette/Sheep Man sin room. When you click on it, the skull will return to your inventory.

Since you haven't finished, here's a helpful bit for the end puzzle. Before you go through the final door, go into the room you opened with the sheep skin. The three spirits there will give you more clues to the final puzzle than you will get it the final room.

Hoping to see you here soon!
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Annie
Farewell, Achenar!
"Perhaps the ending has not yet been written."

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#104646 - 08/18/04 06:59 PM Re: Playing Of Light and Darkness
Becky Offline
The Medieval Lady
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Registered: 02/16/00
Posts: 26894
Loc: Stony Brook, New York, USA
Annie -- thanks! I'll check out the bag to see if that releases the skull. I could replay Level Three pretty quickly now if I had to -- we've uncovered most of it's secrets, I think, and with the clock working to my benefit the game is much easier. Still, it'd be nice not to have to repeat everything.

Thanks for the hint about Level Four. Looking forward to it! Just curious -- do we ever actually get to see Gar Hob?

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#104647 - 08/18/04 07:38 PM Re: Playing Of Light and Darkness
Annie Offline
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Well, yes, or maybe no. I don't think you'll recognize him.
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Annie
Farewell, Achenar!
"Perhaps the ending has not yet been written."

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#104648 - 08/18/04 08:54 PM Re: Playing Of Light and Darkness
Becky Offline
The Medieval Lady
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Registered: 02/16/00
Posts: 26894
Loc: Stony Brook, New York, USA
The bag wasn't there when I went back. What finally worked was starting from a saved game, and then white-flashing Saman's apparition before he got back to his apocalyptic device. Then, for whatever reason, I could pick up his artifact.

I beat it!!!!! I've seen two endings. As to my question about seeing Gar Hob -- yes and no is a very good answer.

The "good" ending is far stranger than any of my guesses. Setting up for a sequel, do you think?

I will now eye anyone named William with suspicion.

The game was VERY different from what I am used to. Do you think it fits in the "adventure" genre?

Just curious --

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The voices we heard as we saw Europa -- were those supposed to be the MFers? Or were those supposed to be Mission Control for the Europa Lander?

If it was supposed to be Mission Control, they got the tone completely wrong. Scientists don't speak that way when they know they are being recorded for posterity. And they wouldn't shut down the feed just because they see something unexpected, would they?

Any ideas as to who that character was? Maybe he's the Trickster, but who/what is that? What could he possibly have to do with what has come before?
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#104649 - 08/18/04 09:45 PM Re: Playing Of Light and Darkness
Annie Offline
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Registered: 12/31/01
Posts: 772
Loc: Tacoma, Washington
Hurray, Becky! Now I can congratulate you! <img border="0" alt="bravo" title="" src="graemlins/bravo.gif " />

It was a strange ending, wasn't it? When Angel regurgitated that thing! Nasty, nasty thing.

I'd call it an adventure game. It's not role playing, and not really a shoot-em-up. Not shooting, only blasting with white and colored light. Hard to categorize.

As for your questions about the final cut scene, I just don't know. This is one of the problems I have with "plots" in adventure games. There is such a long time between the beginning and the end. The whole long middle is essentially plotless, and by the end of the game I've usually forgotten anything about why we are doing all this.

I think you are right, though, about setting up for a sequel.

I am still perplexed about the bag of missing objects. I wonder if this is another of the random aspects. I think I'll go back later and start a new game, just to see if the bag moves somewhere else. If we are going to write anything like a guide we really should know.

Now that you are done, what are your gaming plans?

Rick, we are rooting for you! Hope to see you here soon.
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Annie
Farewell, Achenar!
"Perhaps the ending has not yet been written."

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#104651 - 08/19/04 06:17 PM Re: Playing Of Light and Darkness
Becky Offline
The Medieval Lady
Sonic Boomer

Registered: 02/16/00
Posts: 26894
Loc: Stony Brook, New York, USA
Hey Annie and Rick -- I'm going back to listen to the radio some more and to experiment with a couple of things. I also want to look at the walkthrough to see if everything we've learned is in there, or if we have something to add.

Annie -- the bag was always in the spot you mentioned in my game too. I think that may be one of the things that stays the same in every game, because the apparition who does the dastardly deed stays the same. Here's what it says about it in the manual:

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The Apparition of Miser will steal the artifacts you have in inventory and put them in a bag in a location in the Village. If this location is still locked, it could mean game over.
Just curious -- did you guys finding the game to be repetitive?

P.S. Annie -- did your game force you to save before the final confrontation? I heard one of the Mfers say: "If you don't save now, you'll end up with squat." I could NOT get a "shoes" icon until I hit escape to get to the main menu! Don't think I've ever seen that in a game before.

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#104652 - 08/19/04 08:06 PM Re: Playing Of Light and Darkness
Annie Offline
Settled Boomer

Registered: 12/31/01
Posts: 772
Loc: Tacoma, Washington
Thanks, Rick! I am so pleased to have finished this game. It's the first I've ever done completely without a walkthrough, although I couldn't have done it without the two of you! Maybe we could do Darkfall 2?

Becky: I'm so obedient, I just saved when I was told to. rotfl Imagine a game making you save, instead of slamming you because you didn't.

Strangely, no, I didn't find it terribly repetitious. I think the adrenaline was running too high, besides the fun of getting into new rooms. All in all, I really enjoyed it. How about you?
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Annie
Farewell, Achenar!
"Perhaps the ending has not yet been written."

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#104653 - 08/20/04 06:40 AM Re: Playing Of Light and Darkness
Becky Offline
The Medieval Lady
Sonic Boomer

Registered: 02/16/00
Posts: 26894
Loc: Stony Brook, New York, USA
Same here. I didn't find it repetitious, I found it difficult! There was a lot to learn and to adjust to in the game because it was so different from the typical adventure game.

The time aspect had me on tenterhooks at first. Then I figured out I could just white-light-flash to extend the game indefinitely. I suppose THAT was the most repetitious part -- running to a room with apparitions in order to white-flash them and delay the apocalypse.

By the third level I would save right at the beginning, so the transportals and sinners didn't change. Then I would just explore and take notes, go back to the beginning with the saved game, and explore and take more notes. When I had all the info I needed, I would do an "attack run" and beat the level.

The one thing that WOULD have mired me in repetition was

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Not figuring out what YOU figured out about the new sin rooms. I would have tried to free those apparitions over and over and over in the wrong rooms!
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You saved me a lot of work! What made you think out-of-the-box enough to do that?

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#104655 - 08/20/04 06:56 PM Re: Playing Of Light and Darkness
Annie Offline
Settled Boomer

Registered: 12/31/01
Posts: 772
Loc: Tacoma, Washington
I don't know about thinking outside the box. It's just once I realized I was hearing Caligula (after I had tried to redeem him in every other room), it seemed obvious that I'd found the right place to redeem him. What I didn't realize was that it was Carlos Marcello he was arguing with. I have you to thank for that! praise

Alida would be fine for me. Do you know when it will be released? We have to finish it, however, before Myst4 comes out, otherwise I will be awol for some time.
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Annie
Farewell, Achenar!
"Perhaps the ending has not yet been written."

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#104657 - 08/21/04 07:23 AM Re: Playing Of Light and Darkness
Becky Offline
The Medieval Lady
Sonic Boomer

Registered: 02/16/00
Posts: 26894
Loc: Stony Brook, New York, USA
Hey Annie -- I read the walkthrough by P. Hart yesterday. It's a good game guide, but I think there are things we can add that will help future OLAD players. I'd like to write a short companion guide with information that doesn't show up in P. Hart's walkthrough.

Would you be interested in contributing?

Email me if you're interested. laugh

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#104661 - 08/23/04 03:37 PM Re: Playing Of Light and Darkness
Rckasea Offline
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Registered: 08/11/00
Posts: 2565
Loc: Colden,N.Y.
Afternoon Becky and Annie,
Just plugging alone(along), with level two.
I must read the end posts for level two. I did a bunch of multi-color apparitions already and I am just now popping off some easy solid color ones. I just stock up on orbs and portals and go on.
Note: My messed up game on level two was because the colors changed from a continued game, Wrote down all colors/apparitions (7/21 level two) and had to start agin at the mask room, with a different seven colors for twenty one. Must save at the start of each level. smile think
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#104662 - 08/23/04 05:11 PM Re: Playing Of Light and Darkness
Becky Offline
The Medieval Lady
Sonic Boomer

Registered: 02/16/00
Posts: 26894
Loc: Stony Brook, New York, USA
AARRRGGGHHH! Yes, you do have to save at the beginning of each level, or some things randomly generate differently. When we write our OLAD Game Guide we'll stress that.

I don't know if you've been avoiding the Spoiler info on this thread. If you have, and if you want some hints about how to use the clock to your adventage, let us know.

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#104663 - 08/24/04 02:14 PM Re: Playing Of Light and Darkness
Rckasea Offline
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Registered: 08/11/00
Posts: 2565
Loc: Colden,N.Y.
Afternoon Becky and Annie,
I was going to read posts today, but I have only five apparitions to redeem on level two. I have used the clock after white light to flash a color star and go back and grab an artifact, now unlocked and unprotected. The book says how to do this. You must be kind of quick though, before the apparition beats you back to their artifact. My next thing to do is to find Avarice/Greed. thumbsup
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