I have and played thru URU, BAAGed a new copy of D'ni and POTS X Pack - and got very confused trying to collect 'markers (15 or 20 or more) so went to the URU site (found the link by doing a search on GB for 'markers') and found an official walkthru/hints/guide, printed it out and am replaying (from where I was totally woozy and confused ~ my sense of direction is lousy and I could not find the Library building, used that map on the easel by the 'contractors' table in the square/courtyard but not figuring it out, I make a lousy navigator, too) it step by step to be sure I have all the markers and have found all the places they are. In doing all this, and 'seeing' things I missed the first 50 times I passed into out of and through each area I discovered in Relto on the bookshelf right of the wardrobe = I HAVE MY VERY OWN JOURNAL! It must be mine, as it has my (character) name on it! But there is nothing in it.....any ideas how this gets 'written' into? Did anyone else make this wonderful discovery? How does THIS work?
Love, Betty Lou
P.S. Went back to the trailer in the rain cleft and picked up Zandi's shirt, had no idea I was supposed to do this earlier, or that I even could. After all this time, I am still learning how to get around in this game and how to use stuff - thought that thing on my wrist (KI?) was a wristwatch of some sort, still do not know just how to use it when I click on it to raise it on my screen to the top of the scene. And just what does K I stand for? or does it not stand for anything?

Betty Lou, the KI that you are wearing will open doors and then will be used to find locators throughout the areas. Locators is probably the wrong word, but I'm trying to figure out what exactly you need. It sounds like you found all of your markers if you found 15, did you then put your KI back into the little machine to download the info?
Even better, can you tell me where you are in the game? It might make it easier to help you move on. Sue

Betty Lou, in addition to what Sue has said about the KI, when the on-line game was available, you could use the KI to chat with other people. Also you can use it to take pictures, which I think can be shown on the imager that you get for your Relto somewhere along the line (I'm not sure exactly where I picked it up).

No sure what KI means, but it's undoubtedly a D'ni word...

Hi, Betty Lou: You can write whatever you like in your journal, it's yours! Just put the cursor on the page and type.

Oh, and yes, you take pictures with your Ki that will appear on your imager. You can also use them for wallpaper on your desktop. I really like this, showing off my conquering moments.

Hmmmm, I assumed that KI was a device created by DRC (the restoration team) and not the D'ni, so I thought it was an acronym for something, maybe not. I have completed the first 5 (green) 'markers', the next 5 (red) markers and have opened the glass doors in Reseeza (Calibration Chamber/Room) and have succeeded in finding the first of the next set of markers (3?) and have it entered into the machine but have checked for the coords for the second one and its supposed to be on the 'balcony over the canyon' in the brown book on the shelf in Relto, I link there and I cannot find any marker to 'touch', any suggestions what I do now? Going around in circles.........getting nowhere. (I notice that when I enter my KI in the second machine, the numbers are there but the blue button is not flashing, does nothing when I click on it stays unlit, what does it mean?)
Thanks for any and all help. Take pictures? How do I do that? And earlier in the game when I was looking for the second set (15) markers there was an image in the lower right hand corner of my screen that flashed when I approached the area where one was, there was no sound beeping but that could be because I am losing my sound every now and then, quitting the game and starting it up again seems to cure it for a while. Anyway, now when I am near a marker there is no flashing image and the KI is not flashing either - another 'glitch'?
Love, Betty Lou

Betty Lou, when looking for the last 5 markers, keep the Ki on the screen. Watch the co-ordinates, this should help you find the last 5 markers. I also had a problem with not being able to hear the "beeping" sound. Check to make sure you haven't pushed the button on the Ki to turn the sound off.
I never found the one that is supposed to be on the balcony either, just roamed around until I found a marker. It seems as though there are more markers in the game than the 15 needed to activate the Great Zero.
To take a picture, have the Ki on your screen and push the top (?) button

Viz

Thanks Viz. Another question then - "watch the coordinates" - where are these coordinates I am supposed to watch? on the KI?
Oh, and where does the picture I just took go then? Where do I get to view it?
Love, Betty Lou

Betty Lou, the fourth machine isn't active until you get the other three. The machines tell you what the coordinates are but your KI doesn't show any coordinates until you enter the markers. You get one for the first, two for the second etc., so when you are looking for the very last one for the fourth machine your KI will show you exactly where you are. I think you should have two balconies in your book because I did find a marker on one. The big button on the top right of the KI brings up the pictures you have taken and the one under that turns the sound on and off. By the way, when you find the very last marker you don't need to jump, just get as close as possible to the edge. I was almost tearing my hair out by the time I realised that.

Teresa

Yes on the Ki, as you move around the game, you will see the numbers under the symbols change. (I think that I am remembering this correctly)
When you open the Ki to take a picture, you will see arrows on each side of the screen, click on one of these to scroll thru the pics. Once you find the page to add the imager to Realto,you can also see them there.
Viz

Teresa, Please help refresh my memory, To D'Ni was half a dozen games ago.
That is why I forgot to add that you have to find one marker at the time for the Great Zero, go back and put it in and get the next set of co-ordinates. The co-ordinate numbers appear under the right symbols on the Ki
Viz

Betty Lou, when you entered the first marker into the machine did you press the blue button? You have to do that to complete the process. Then you can go on to the next marker.

You're probably on the wrong balcony--go into Eder Kemo, across the long walkway and follow along past the Bahro door to the place on the right where a big thingie is rotating. There is a low wall around this place--go behind it and see a linking cloth. This will take you to the correct balcony, and if you have finished with the first machine, put your KI in the second machine, and pressed the blue button, you should see the marker circle....

I am only slightly confused about what I have already done - and your tips here are helping to clarify what the walkthroughs mean for me to have to do - but now my confusion is because I have retraced my steps to EACH and every marker (25) on the list in the gameboomers walkthrough bu C. Buda and have checked them off - and apparently since I had picked up a couple of markers out of sequence of the w/t's I had more than I needed for the first 15-20. So please correct me if I am wrong here = the first 5 markers were first dim green then dark green when I had them all; the second 15 were dim red then dark red when I had them all; now I have only one lit space on my KI and it was dim ?blue? and is now strong
Blueish/white. There are electric flashes at Rekeesha and a flashing outline of a shell in the middle section up in a "U" shaped 'screen' between the doors, and I have linked to Kemo, found the linking cloth to the ledge above the classroom but cannot find a marker anywhere, have proceeded to Tokatah Alley to the edge of the precipice but there is no blue swiping ray there yet......I must have missed a marker or markers somewhere, but am at a loss as to just where they are. Too tired now to try again tonight.....may try again tomorrow, but do not know just what else I can do. This may be the part that 'does me in' and makes me give up.....
thanks for your help.
Love, Betty Lou

Betty Lou, you were fine with the green and red markers. Now that you have the one white space on your KI (I assume you got that by putting your KI into the first machine at Rezeero), what you need to do is to link to the Kadish Art Gallery. You should have a page for that in your Kadish book in Relto, but if you don't, there is a linking cloth in one of the windows in the part of Kadish where the machines that open the door are located.

Once you get to the Gallery, a marker will show up high in the air. Collect it and go back to the machine in Rezeero and put your KI back in again, and press the blue button. That should finish that machine--now go to the next one and put your KI in there and push the button.

In other words, you can only get one marker space on your KI at a time, and that one must be collected and downloaded before you can see the next one...

I have 'backtracked' a bit - decided to look at my sav file on my harddrive, drive C, program files, Ubisoft, Uru/ABM/POTS(to D'ni) and have deleted all the sav's dated Oct 1 and 2 and started up the game again, and am back at the beginning of To D'ni. I am going to follow the uruobsession walkthrough step by step and to the letter - I will keep you posted on my progress. My reason for doing it this way is because I was so confused as to what I had done and what I did not do and decided to 'start over' to erase my confusion. The one thing I can say about my 'first' experience with/in D'ni is that I should know the city almost as well now as I knew the Chicago I grew up in....and I hope I have a better sense of my direction and have learned how to use my 'tools' i.e. the KI - for instance I did not learn early on that it would take pictures, and I still do not know what I can do with them once I have taken them. I also did not know I had a 'journal' of my own, and I did not know how to write in it...
About my confusion finding the marker on the Bevin neighborhood balcony, I found this one earlier by accident and collected it before the C. Buda w/t said to that is why I could not find it. And once I linked to the ledge over the classroom I still could not find a marker there, don't know what that was about....so kinda lost my place where I was with the 4 KI machines. I was able last night to operate the 4th machine OK but then got bogged down in my somewhat confused state of mind and felt like giving up. Today is a new day, my interest in this game has not waned, and I am ready to tackle it all over again....at least I don't have to redo URU ABM, can just start ToD'ni over. Thanks for the help. I may/will be back!
Love, Betty Lou "let me at 'em"

Betty Lou, I used the pictures as clues for solving the puzzles. You are so close to the end of the game, don't give up.
Viz

Well, this one has me totally stumped...I have found the first 5 markers, registered them, found 15 more and registered them, found 5+ (too confusing, don't know how many) more and registered them and have one yellow/green light lit up dark on my KI. Everything on it is turned on, but there never has been any beeping sound.
Back at The Great Zero the 4th machine is working. QUESTION HERE - are the coordinates supposed to be automatically entered into my KI so I can see them when I am out and about searching? All three settings have remained at "0" throughout the game....
Before leaving here I see/saw that shell hologram, it kinda flashes very slowly...and in the courtyard beyond the glass doors (leaving the area) there is a giant bluish crystal thingy, and now there are lightening-like flashes coming out of it at the outer crystals, but nothing here is spinning as one walkthrough says it should be.
So I am all registered and my KI has only one lit slot, IS THIS RIGHT? Does this one lit slot mean I did everything right?
After all this I have linked to Nexus, linked to Tokotah Alley and edged around the precipice but I see no Great Zero blue ray moving around anywhere - no Shell for me to jump into or at so WHAT DO I DO NOW? Have I missed something? Did I not do it right? And I never did find a marker on the ledge above the classroom, it is just not there unless I somehow linked up there when I was investigating Eder Kemo and touched the marker then, if that is even possible.
I need help here, am not sure how to 'get on with it' since something here is amiss.......
Love, Betty Lou and goodnight too

Betty Lou, the spinning obelisk is in Bevin. There is a link behind it that you need if you don't already have it. If you have seen the hologram of the shell then you are done at the Great Zero. If I remember correctly, you have to wait for the blue ray, and jump at just the right moment.
Viz

I've been to Bevin and found the spinning obelisk there and honestly do not remember if I had found it when I was there (in Bevin) in URU or not -
My walkthrough from uruobsession C. Buda says "The Shell! That could mean only one thing! Yeesha was here! I entered the Great Zero Courtyard. The device in the middle of it was spinning now and a blue ray was coming out of it!" Well this is not happening even tho I have used the 4th calibration machine and registered everything I have found and the 'logo' on that "U" shaped thing between the glass doors kinda looks like a 'shell' but I can't be sure it IS actually the shell I am supposed to see - and there is no spinning and no blue ray coming out of anything - unless it means those lightning flashes coming from the Large blue crystal in the middle aimed at the out smaller crystals around the courtyard. And I still only have one lit slot on my KI - I do not see ANY blue ray anywhere when I am on the edge of the precipice in Tokotah Alley - THERE IS NOTHING THERE ANYWHERE! Got any ideas what I have done wrong here? I would hate to have to install the game (from URU to POTS) on hubbys computer and replay the whole darn thing now - may love replaying this game all the way through sometime in the future BUT NOT NOW!
Love, Betty Lou

Bety Lou,from your posts, it seems as if your problems started with the last 5 markers. If you have a game saved just before you entered the Great Zero the first time, I would start there. Remember to return to the Zero with each marker. The same walk through is posted here.
Viz

That is part of the problem with this game Viz, you cannot return to a specific saved game as the saves are automatic and each place/city/whatever has only one file for saves and each time you visit there and do something it overwrites a previous save - I have no idea how I can 'backtrack' in this game as you can with other games where you save when YOU want and name the save (or it is numbered for you) so you can go back to a specific save and replay from there....looks like my only option now is to name a new character (starting in URU of course) and start all over again from the very beginning - PHOOEY! I did not want to have to do that when I am so close to finishing D'ni so I can go on to POTS. HERE IS A THOUGHT - If anyone else is playing this, and has not played the 'Great Zero Calibration' part yet, email me ALL YOUR SAVES all the files and I can install in my sav folder and play your character through - cannot understand how they could make this game so one ends up in a deadend loop with no way back to a recent saved game to replay a section where something like this is not working.
Love, Betty Lou
P.S. =Obviously my deleting all my saves back to last Thurs or Fri did not work as there is also a sav file log and one cannot alter what is in it (as far as I know) so had to restore all I had deleted and try to figure out how to proceed in the game.

Betty, I just want to ask what may sound like a dumb question... before you delete, try this.

Go back in to Takotah Alley and stand there for a LONG time... wait and see if the blue line from the GZ comes around and highlights the Shell (and then jump when and if it does).

Can you give it at least 3 - 5 minutes? I am not sure how long it takes for the big line to sweep 360 degrees but maybe you haven't waited long enough?

If you have waited and the line doesn't appear...

Do you see the blue line ANYWHERE as you are running around? If you link to the GZ, is the blue line there?

Please let me know. Thanks.

Betty Lou, I still have the game loaded on my hard drive. Checked the save files and I have one called Great Zero. Usually I save after doing a puzzle. I will load the save and see where it is in the game. If this will help, I will send it to you.
Viz

Hi Kha'tie, no I have not stood there for a long time (3-5+minutes) but I will try this tomorrow if I get a chance. Thanks for the tip. And no I do not see a big blue ray anywhere, not even at the Big Zero - wouldn't I see it flashing out from that big blue crystal like a beacon from a lighthouse? No such luck.
Gotta go, expecting hubbys cousin coming in to dinner and stay overnight - haven't seen them since daughter got married last year Mem. weekend......
Viz, it might help to have your save for Great Zero, and wouldn't I also need the 'log' file?
Thanks you guys and see ya tomorrow sometime.
Love, Betty Lou

Betty Lou, I reloaded the Great Zero,unless my saves got corrupted, the flashes of blue are tiny when you leave the Great Zero. Also, I checked my Ki and once the Great Zero is properly programed you will have 4 numbers under the 4 symbols on the left side.
Viz

I'm back. Had out of town company Monday eve and overnight. Gave the game a try again last evening and my 'report' is: There are blue flashes look like lightening bolts coming out of that big blue crystal thingy in the center of the G.Zero courtyard and they go to the crystal thingies around the outer perimeter of that courtyard. {there are no 4 numbers on the left side of my KI or anything else, where should they be exactly?}. My KI has only one list slot on it, should there be more? and the 'flag' thingy on the right side of it have three symbols and a "0" under each one which has never changed to any other numbers.
When I stand on the edge of Tokotah Alley precipice I see no blue ray/flash out over the water, nor do I see any ray/flash when I look around behind me, and walking around Tokotah area there are also no blue ray/flashes either.
Kha'tie, if you could/would send me your saves (hopefully) to put me just before I jump into the shell, I would so appreciate it. And I figured out that I do not have to delete my saves since they are in a file for my character only and your saves will be put into a new 'file' under your character's name, entirely separate from my saves. (In other words, if I were in the mood to start this game over as a new character all I have to do is click on "new game" and create a new character, this goes into a new folder = and I know this because when cat was here a few weeks back she wanted me to get her started playing URU so I could show her how it worked and she played as a character she created on my computer, then I emailed her saves to her for her to plug into her computer and she continued on from where she left off at my house, worked just fine). I thank you Viz for trying to figure this one out for me, but nothing seems to be working right and I am so near to the end of D'ni, would love to get on to POTS and can with K's saves (at least I hope so).
Love, Betty Lou

HEY VIZ or Texaslady = I am in need of your save files up to the Great Zero Calibration puzzles, if there is any way you can place me there so I don't have to replay all of URU and to D'ni so I can finally have a hope of starting POTS.....am so stuck, stumped and frustrated now.
Have restarted all this (had to start over with URU as all the first saves are overwritten - hate this save system to bits) and am now stuck in Gahreesen, door to Bahro caves won't open, trying to figure out what I missed. HELP please please please....
Love, Betty Lou

I'm confused, you did all of the KI things, did green ones, the 15 or so red ones,and you've downloaded them? Did you see a door open and go inside set the great zero and complete the search for the new markers?

I hope I can clear up the confusion, mine and yours as well......I have, as far as I can determine, found and touched all the 5 first five 'markers', and my KI must have reflected that because the first 5 dim green lights on it went to dark green, then 15 dim red ones showed up and I found all of those and they went dark red, then I have/had one slot dim yellowish(?) and it is now dark yellowish(?) but only in one slot, no more than that. When I finish with all the KI calibrations in the Great Zero chambers both the 4 machines and the one outside in the Zero courtyard (?) I see a figure of a symbol that I believe signifies the shell on the 'screen' between the glass doors in the inner chamber and I see lightning flashes from that big bluish crystal thingy in the courtyard outwards towards the slim blue crystal thingys around the room, but when I link to Nexus, then to Tokotah alley precipice to await the big blue ray/shell hologram, nothing happens and I have stood there a very very long time, I see no flashes or rays anywhere away from the big Zero complex. Do not know what is wrong. I never did see any numbers or calibrations on my KI on my wrist - those 3 slots on the right side of it always registered "0" and never did change, were they supposed to reflect the numbers of the calibration machine I had just put my hand into/on? And in looking for the last set of markers in order to get the 4th machine to work, I never did find one or two of them, unless I got out of bed and did it/them in my sleep......so I don't know how my KI registered to a darker color in that last one slot......
Still confused? Guess what, so am I.
I have 'created' a new character and started all over again, and guess what, you cannot start in D'ni, you have to go all the way back to the beginning of URU just to get where you want to be - this save system s...s! excuse my bad language, am totally frustrated, but determined not to give up, to get to the end of this D'ni and on to POTS, if it sends me to the nut house or kills me in the process! Thanks for your help. Hope you can figure this out for me and help me solve it and get on my way. Love ya,
Love, Betty Lou

Hi Jenny, received your email, downloaded your attached sav folder to my game (do not need to delete the other character folders there as each one remains as a separate "player" and I should not have to type your char. name in as a new player as it should be in your personalization setup file(folder) in your saves. See my email back to you. I cannot get your save file/s to work for me. Maybe sending each and every folder in your C:\Program Files\Ubisoft\Cyan Worlds\sav folder as a separate attachment and my downloading them into your "account" which is named by a series of numbers and letters by the game itself, might work better for me. Maybe? Thanks for all your time and effort to help me. In the meantime I will continue to play my replay (different character name) and hope I get somewhere with it.
Love, Betty Lou

Well, blow me down and knock me over with a feather! Something you said at the bottom of your email suddenly turned on a light bulb! You said, "The next book is the beginning of the Path of the Shell--I would recommend that you DELETE the three that come after that one,..." I was not aware that I could delete any of the books that have the LARGE metal tab on the bottom of it/them, so I have looked at my original game (as Ti'Ana) and deleted the NEXUS book and gone back to Eder Gira/Kemo to replay what I need to to continue on. I see that (and have tried) to delete Aegura etc (after Gira/Kemo) but it cannot be done so do not know how this will affect my gameplay. Will keep you posted how I do, am now trying to light that last dark cave with my fireflies or a generator, only a bit confused here but 'barrelling on' to see what I can do. If I can get to where I want to be, maybe being careful to follow the w/t to the letter will get me 'unstuck' at the end of D'ni. Thanks
Love, Betty Lou

Hi Jen, Have not been successful at using your saved games but continued on with replaying the game as my 2nd character and with some difficulty and many hold-ups here and there have succeeded in completing the ages and jumped into the cleft. But before that,while choosing each book to return the Totems to the cave ~my new problem is extremely weird~ = Back at Relto, in the hut, in front of the bookcase and facing it (I can see my character in this view), I choose the book by clicking on the bookshelf/books and used to get a close-up of the books so I can choose one, not I get a close-up but it immediately returns to the other view - that is I can see the character looking at the shelves. Now I thought, "so a minor glitch, I must have accidently hit a key on the keyboard (hotkey?) to alter something, but it does not seem to matter so will continue on". HOWEVER, having jumped into the void, arrived back at the Cleft and gone to Yeesha's home and the projector, NOW when I click on the projector in order to arrange the 4 symbols in the correct places - I am inside my character's head looking out thru her skin! I can see thru it/her but can also see my eyes in their goggles blinking and can see her lips (from inside her) etc. This would be OK but it has done something else too, it has removed my cursor's ability to click on the 4 buttons to change the symbols, nothing happens, so then I use my arrow key to back up out of this "ghostly apparition" and cannot change the symbol buttons from this view either. Does anyone know of one of the hotkeys that would give this view of things and which one I need to revert back too a 'playable' cursor? Very strange.
It is almost as if I am jinxed from playing this game, am so near the end of URU so I can start to D'ni over from the beginning, and this happens. Any suggestions?
Love, Betty Lou

Betty Lou, I've never heard of anything like that--it's normal to see a third person view, even when you are playing in first person, when you are doing certain things, but nothing like you are describing.

Why don't you try leaving the game completely, and then starting it up again...

That's funny! They say "great minds think alike" and you and I had the same thought, but mine came after I laid down and took a nap (right out there in the desert cleft right where I fell and out in the hot sun,

Every once in a while, the URU game engine does freaky things, Betty Lou--people have reported sinking into the floor and walking through walls...

Yes, it was an unsettling experience, very weird.
Now, I am having trouble finding all the markers I need. Has anyone got a 'screen shot' of the one "Left wall outside the Pub"? My KI does not even register a signal there at all only inside the Pub......
I need a 'screen shot' of the marker in the "recess to the right after King's hall and before the balcony" I found one UNDER that balcony, but on the balcony my KI registers flashing red and I cannot find it at all......
My KI once only registered a marker "inside the egg room" that is inside the egg-shaped or domed linking room outside the classroom, but I could not find the marker no matter which 'age' I looked in. And I cannot find any markers in either age of the room next to the classroom called "The Egg Room".......help me please?
As it is going now I do not see how I am going to be able to locate 30 markers, I will be lucky to find 27 - and I have walked EVERYWHERE in every Nexus selection.....
Love, Betty Lou

Betty Lou, first of all, I have found that when my KI is flashing red and I click on that red flash, I get another marker dot even if I can't physically see the circle. You might try that to see if it works all the time or if it was just a fluke in my game.

As for where the markers are located, are you using the Buda walkthrough here at GB? Because it doesn't mention a marker outside the pub--there is a number 2 after the information about the marker inside the pub, but that refers to a note at the end of the marker list.

Why don't you print out the list, cross off the ones you already have, and let me know what's left. I'll see if I can give you more help on those...

Betty Lou, glad that you are "back in the game"
Printing the list and checking each marker off is a great suggestion. That is how I did it.
Re-reading your post, I think that you made the same mistake that I did in the Great Zero. The first 5 markers can all be uploaded at one time, then the next 15 all at once. The last 5 have to be uploaded 1 at a time. Find the first one, go back to the Zero, upload it, etc.

Viz

Regarding which walkthrough and a list of the markers - I am currently trying to follow C Buda's w/t from here at GB. I have printed out his list of 25 markers and a similar list of markers (26) from the other w/t at uruobsession. While the two lists have some descriptions exactly the same, there are some differences in descriptions of other places to look. And of course the obsession w/t has one more listed than CBuda's. By combining the two lists being careful to not add a marker just because the geographical description is different for the same place I have a list of 28 markers.
I have printed out both lists and checked off and numbered sequentially each and every marker I have found so far.
The ones I have an indication is supposed to be 'there' but can't find are:
Recess to the right after King's hall and before balcony, red marker is very strong in a small area on the left of that balcony, but no marker appears to me. I also had an indication ~ once ~ that there was a marker in the linking book room (is this what they are calling the Egg room?, the only time that marker shows up is when I am in the age where the 'other' Egg Room door next to the classroom door will not open for me, in the other 'ages' it does not show up at all.
There are two on the obsession list and on the CBuda list that are not there at all according to my KI indicator and they are on the Tokotah rooftop with the two slits. Also this time around I cannot find one in the Baron's office.
Let's just say that I am having a great deal of difficulty trying to find my last 3 markers I need because they are not showing up where they are supposed to be according to both w/t's.
Viz, I will give it a try clicking on my KI red signal to see if that works. But before I do that = I have registered every marker I have found both in the machines next to all the linking machines, then at the machine at Great Zero, and have been very careful to only do what the walkthru tells me to, step by step. I am now at GZ in the '4 machine' room, have completed my first task with the 1st machine on the left side next to the 'window' and done all the registering I am supposed to and the w/t tells me I to continue by clicking on the tiny blue button on the second machine left side closest to the stairs and then click on the blue button on it, but I have done this and nothing happens, no reaction whatsoever and my KI does not show another light yellow slot ready to accept the next marker, if I should ever find one. So it seems I am once again STUCK. Also I have looked at that 'logo' on that champagne-glass-shape in the 'in-between' area and the logo is not the shell one I am supposed to see, so that is why I was stuck before and could not proceed, something is not activating as it should, or I have missed doing something, I just wish I could figure out what..........
I will let you know if clicking on my KI red flashing signal works for me or not.
Thank you both for 'watching over my shoulder' and helping me along. I sure wish I could get to the end of D'ni and go on to POTS, but don't have much hope of that happening now.
Love, Betty Lou

Betty Lou,

I will add to Buda's list from my recollections...

Additional Green or Red Markers:

- There is one on the Bevin Balcony (accessible from the link stone in Garheesen near the KI machine).

- The one outside the Pub is in the wall on your left after you jump over the rubble just before the pub entrance door.

- There is also a marker on the roof of the classroom. You can get it by standing (balancing) on a cone just to the left of the classroom door and jumping up (or you can attempt the dreaded balcony leap).

- Rear of the Library, right next to the cliff.

Also, Buda lists some of the Hood markers from Bevin and some from Kirel. I was able to get all of them from either hood.

Jenny is right, that you should be able to secure the markers even if you can't see them, if the red "radar" is flashing.

Hope that gets you enough to finish.

Dadguy

OK, Betty Lou. That is exactly what I thought that you were doing. I did the same thing. This is all from memory, but when you load the first Ki marker, that gives you the location of the second. Go find the second marker, then come back and load it into the second machine. This gives you the location of the 3 and so on. The walk through is very vague on this part.
Viz

Betty Lou, I had a terrible time with the first of those four machines too, and it was all because I was skipping a step!

When you are ready to get the marker, put your KI in the machine and push the blue button. That should register the marker dot on your KI. Now go find it (this first one is in the Kadish Art Gallery right in plain sight).

After you collect the marker to your KI, go back to the machine, put your Ki in, AND PUSH THE BLUE BUTTON AGAIN!!!! That's the step I was missing--now you are ready to go to the second machine...

Well, I have bad, sad news = I surrender = this game save system is the worst I have ever encountered......and while I have made so many lists of the markers I have found and I am pretty sure of the ones I still need to find my KI has stopped working for me (and I have not shut it off), I still cannot get the 2nd (and 3rd) machines to respond to my attempts to follow the correct instructions to the letter, however the 4th machine is working, even tho I have only registered the marker needed for the 1st machine and not those for 2 and 3, I cannot proceed with the game, something just is not 'clicking'. I may confuse you with this explanation - join my club! I have been very careful to follow the w/t and found the marker I needed for the 1st machine, came back and registered it in the KI machine at Rezeera, approached and clicked on the 2nd machine and it is already up and running (?) do not understand this as I have not even started my quest for the 2nd machine marker, and the 3rd and 4th machines are also running already, but only one slot on my KI indicates I have completed my first quest. Yet, when I check that big orange structure out the window behind the 4 machines, the only thing I see is 'rain' falling on it from above, no big blue ray emanating out from it to anywhere. There also is no 'shell' hologram showing in the in-between courtyard, and at the Tokotah Alley precipice there is no blue ray/shell showing for me to jump into.
I give up. Have deleted all my saves and the game, reinstalled both game discs, and copied Jenny's sav files into the game, but nothing is working. Enough is enough already. I can honestly say there is not even ONE other game that has brought me to tears like this one has and it is simply not worth it to continue with this frustration. See ya around in some other game.
Thanks for all your help and suggestions - giving up like this is not easy for me - I am basically a very stubborn person.
Love, Betty Lou

Betty Lou, I sure wish that I were closer to Sacramento so that I could see your game in person! However, all is not totally lost, because if you have the CD for Path of the Shell installed, you do not have to do To D'ni to begin that one.

Just go into your Relto and look to the right--there should be a bunch of new books on the second shelf, and at least one new on at the far right end of the shelf on the left hand wall. There may be three new one, I don't remember if they came one at a time, as in URU, or all at once...

Betty Lou, I've been reading your saga with URU, like Jenny said, don't give up. If you want to finish D'ni, do it later when you aren't so frustrated with it.
Go on to POTS and kick some alien crabs, have a nice swim and get lost all over again. I accidentally started POTS before I finished D'ni because I opened a new book and didn't pay attention. It won't mess up your game to D'ni.
Sue

Well, leave it to me to throw another monkey wrench into the works - I have restored from my trashbin everything Uru/D'ni which I dumped last night in a snit.....and it is all there. Have restarted up the game and chosen one of my characters (both were taken to the end of URU and close to the end of D'ni) and my second bookshelf is empty! Where did all those books go that were there a couple of days ago? At what point did I see all those books? <img border="0" alt="" title="" src="graemlins/cry.gif" />
Love, Betty Lou

What books do you actually have, Betty Lou...

I have the first 10 books in the first 10 slots on the top shelf. And the rest of the slots both shelves are presently empty. I know at one time I saw there were 36 books in their slots but can't remember when I saw them and can't figure out what happened to them.
Love, Betty Lou

Betty Lou, if you are just starting POTS, which you should have in the way of books is this:

Left wall of hut: ten books on top shelf, none on bottom shelf

Right wall of hut: two books on top shelf, six on bottom shelf

The ones on the right wall are not essential to the game, they just give clues, which you will see in the form of numbers throughout POTS...

OK, so then which book are you talking about my picking and using to start POTS? At one time, somewhere in this game, I had 36 books on the left hand set of bookshelves, now I only have 10. The books on the shelf to the right of the wardrobe are journals and will not 'link' me anywhere. What do I do now? You said to choose the farthest book on the left shelves ?second shelf? but there are none there......just call me confused
Love, Betty Lou

The books I have on the left hand set of shelves are: left to right, 1 thru 10: 1. Cleft; 2. Gahreesen; 3. Teledahn; 4. Kadish; 5. Eder Gira; 6. Eder Kemo; 7. Ae'gura; 8. Bevin/Kirel; 9. Nexus; 10. Ae'gura library
Love, Betty Lou

Sorry, Betty Lou, I didn't mean to confuse you. Hang on for a few minutes, until I can put my game in and see exactly what is where.

Okay, I've gone into my game--the first nine books on my shelf are just as you describe, but the tenth is not the Aegura Library--in fact, I've never seen a book for that!

Try clicking on the linking picture in that tenth book. If all is well, you should be in a circular room with alcoves all around it, only a couple of which you can enter. You'll find linking books to the two ages in the alcove to the left of where you are standing...

Ahhhhhhhhh, !. Will go give it a try.
Just out of curiousity, I DID see a full bookshelf at one point, and I counted the books = 36, so what happened to them, when did I lose them? And I wonder how come I did not notice this until now. mmmmmmm
Love, Betty Lou

Were you ever in URU Live, Betty Lou? I remember see that whole bunch of books too, but I don't recall exactly where it was. You couldn't open any of the ones down at the bottom shelf...

No, never was on URU live, bought the game after it closed, used at EB at the mall, paid $18 and of course no shipping. Am I a great BAAGer, or what? And Jenny, I could kiss you so here :kiss: for saving my sanity, what little of it there was left after wandering around in D'ni and being unable to finish it.....wanted to throw the disc out the 100th floor window, and I live in a single ground level house! I do not actually swim in real life, but find that all this swimming in that 'ocean' is fun, tiring, but great exercise. Now if it would only work to make me lose weight to sit here and keep swimming and kicking crabs was fun too! Maybe sometime soon I will finally reach that tower island....gotta keep on truckin' Thanks again, never thought to click on that 10th book, and when I did it sure looked like the spiral staircase inside the library.
Love, Betty Lou

Betty Lou, you saw all of the books in the shelf when you went to Phil's Relto. I don't remember seeing all of the books at any other time.
Sue

AH, SOOOOOOO!!! Thanks for clearing that one up, Sue.

Betty Lou, have you discovered all the different ways you can swim? I especially loved the backstroke, although it certainly wasn't what you'd want to use for quick getting around!

The walkthrough is very good on this part, but you must follow it exactly, which is what I wound up doing, or I'd have never gotten through this part...

Yes, the swimming is fun, and I learned how by accidently falling off when I herded a couple of crabs to the edge.....backstroke too.
However, I have the w/t and am trying to do exactly what it says "....jump onto the closest stone in the water. Jump to the other one. Making sure you are in running mode jump into the water in a north western direction." I am not sure how one determines which is a 'north western direction' - n.w.d. from what landmark in the distance to gauge this on? I have made it to that tower/island once but could not seem to scramble up from the ledge and fell off back into the swift current carrying me away from it. Just how many minutes/hours/days/weeks/months/years do I have to have my finger on my up arrow key to make it......?
Love, Betty Lou

Betty Lou, this is a tricky part--the way to do it is to make sure that the bubbles from your swim stay to the left of your body. Also, when you get close to the tower, there is a ledge that goes around it that you can often use to get onto the steps.

And I think when they say "northwest" they mean toward the upper and left of the computer screen...

YIPPEE! YAHOOEY! I did it! I swam to the tower island and found that picture and copied it, because I am not sure if I got a picture of it or not when I tried to....It has been several days since I tried to get back to this game and this time when I linked there with the last book on my shelf at Relto I was so surprised to see that I had 'missed' a crab on the lake/island - so I went and kicked him off and proceeded to try a couple of times to get to the tower and did it, but NO CRAB! very strange. NOW how did that crab swim/get from the tower island to the BIG island where the linking book is? I have no idea but needed to go out there and see that picture anyway and did not realize, until I fell off and swam back to the big island and looked at the signal tower again, that there was only one square/light lit up. So have proceeded on.......YEA! what fun! Thanks for all your help.
Love, Betty Lou

As for the crab, don't forget they can swim, Betty Lou! Sometimes when people get totally frustrated trying to get out to the tower, they find if they leave the game and come back, the crab has moved to the mainland...

Yes, I guess that is what happened. Anyway, it was funny and it only took me about a half hour to realize what had happened. Now I am stuck in a loop trying to get back to the water Ahnonay or the misty one, to get to Control Center 2, not having much luck. Have to mull this one over again. What a ride that was in that chair!
Love, Betty Lou

I seem to be stuck in a loop - I am in Kadish area, have been to the Bahro cavern bottom cave saw the clue 5:32, trying to link back to Relto then to Ahnonay but no matter whether I use the Cathedral book or the Ahnonay one either the shell sign or the picture, cannot get out of this 'loop'. I need a step by step procedure to get me back to the water Anhonay and nothing is working, have even tried retracing my steps in that chair back to the statue but cannot find a linking cloth there as before.....how do I get out of this cycle? Please and thank you
Love, Betty Lou

Betty Lou, try this: use your Relto book to link back to Relto, then use the linking picture in the Ahnonay book to go to water Ahnonay. That should get you there...

I tried that Jen, I'm stuck in a loop and keep ending up back in Kadish, don't know how this came to be but seem to have 'lost' my link back to the water Ahnonay Control Tower/room. Any ideas how I can get back there?
Love, Betty Lou

Betty Lou, when you say that you "keep ending up back in Kadish" do you mean in the room with the huge statue? I got caught in what I thought was a loop there, and it turned out that there was a linking book I had missed. If that's where you are, go along the walkway, past the statue, to the very end and you'll see a book that takes you to the Cathedral (I think). Just be careful not to fall off the walkway. If that doesn't solve your problem, let me know and I'll see if Kha'tie has any advice.

Oh yes, from your Relto, are you clicking on the watery picture (NOT the shell picture) that's in the very last book to the right of the shelf of linking books...

Hey Jenny, if I could reach you, I would KISS you, but :kiss: here anyway......I was not aware, or had forgotten to go around that platform around the huge statue and find the linking book, and that was what I needed to do to be on my way....HOWEVER, how many times do I have to go round and round and round linking on shells and pictures before I get to the 'other side' of the Control Center #2 to find that blankety blank Relto page for the D'ni clock? I've been around so many times, that I am now dizzier than normal or is that ditzier, and a ditz I sure am most of the time......Do I really need that page? or can I proceed on to that lever on the back wall of the tower......this is boring, boring, boring and very tiresome!
Love, Betty Lou

:kiss: back at you, Betty Lou!

The reason I know about that book in the statue room is because I spent literally hours trying to get out of that place, and never noticed the book until I was almost crazy.

You do not have to have any of the Relto pages to continue with the game, but they certainly make the place look nice. This one adds a clock, like the one in the Neighborhood, to one of the islands off the shore of your Relto. You can only access the control room where it is located by using the shell marker link in your Ahnonay book. I just printed off the section of the Buda walkthrough and followed it line by line to get this page...

Yes, I can do that, BUT what is my starting point now that I have been around and around and around about 100 times? I'm in a terrible state of confusion now. And it doesn't get any better if/when I try to skip the Relto clock page and go on to the next step, getting out of Ahnonay on to the next age/phase......I'm LOST and so ALONE! Lordy, lordy, what the heck would I do in real life if I had NO-ONE to talk to? Well, of course, sillyme, talk to MYSELF! But that gets so booooooooooooooooorrrrrrrrring
Love, Betty Lou

Betty Lou, just check out Buda's walkthrough--you want to start at number 3.5 Collecting the Relto page. It won't matter what you've done before, just start at Water Ahnonay and follow each step in that section of the walkthrough...

YIPPEE YIPPEE YAHOO!!! That did it! I finally found my way to Control Center #4, and of course I was in the wrong places before, did not know what that CC was, let alone distinguish between 1 and 2 and 3 etc......I was in the wrong place all along.....now I am very happy with my visit to E'rcana - except for the sewage-plant-water-treatment scenes, it is so beautiful here! all you have to do is 'look up!'......thanks Jenny, what would I do without you? Have a great weekend!
Love, Betty Lou

BY THE WAY. ALL my questions are SPOILERS, sorry..
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I'm kinda stuck - in E'rcana making pellets and trying to light up the lower Bahro cavern so I can take a picture of the lines if/when they appear....have the walkthrough, think I have made the pellets correctly, have picked up two (at least I think so anyway) and have linked to upper cavern, avatar has dropped one pellet, then I linked to Relto, then to Kadish's room and to lower cavern but wait and wait and wait etc and no 'bright light' or 'lines on the wall (by those 4 stones. I'm not even sure that she drops the second pellet, so am not sure I actually picked up 2. Any ideas what I am doing wrong? Thanks
Love, Betty Lou

Betty Lou, this is another of those places where you have to wait and wait and wait!!! Check out this thread for that information.

Or it's possible that you have the wrong directions--look at this thread or this one to check that out...

Hi Betty Lou, have you given up on the D'ni extension? If not I've got a save of Tokotah Alley, where you just need to walk to the building site. once there bring up the KI onto the screen and scrabble around until you get the co-ordinates 2175;58;-81. once you are there the blue light appears and you get the blue shell and just jump into it.

Dave H. - yes I have given up on the ending of D'ni expansion pack, but left everything intact on my computer and just continued on with POTS.....I cannot figure out how to use someone elses saved game in my game but if you can instruct me EXACTLY how to install your save into mine I will give it a try......there has to be more than just the save file to use, like a log or something also, in order to make your save come up in my game and let me proceed.....do you know how to do that?
Jenny, thanks for those 2 links, the first one is not a help for me as I believe my pellets are correctly made - but HERE a QUESTION = would that machine make pellets that DO NOT WORK if the settings are wrong? I have 5 pellets sitting in the machine waiting for me to pick one up so I assume they are correctly made. And the walkthrough I am using says to pick up two so as to avoid a trip back to get the second one after the first one is being timed.....also the w/t says that it takes 10 minutes (or more) for the pellets to be made, but says I only have 5 seconds to snap a picture once I am in the right cave and waiting for a 'bright light' and the lines appearing on the wall....is that WRONG? Do I have to wait and wait and wait, (tapping my foot, don't have even a book to read or any crocheting to occupy me while I wait in that beautiful cave) and wait? Have I not been waiting long enough then? Watching the screen for 10 to 15 minutes is enough to make you blink when the occurance happens and miss it.....
Love, Betty Lou

Thanks Dave. I am holding on to your save/saves to try at a later date.
QUESTION again for Jenny: Do I have to make 2 trips from the pellet machine - one to the upper cavern and another to the lower cavern? separate from each other? Or can I carry/hold two pellets at the same time and make it only one trip from the machine to both caverns and just how long in real time should I wait and stare at my screen? Maybe I really have not waited long enough.....?
Love, Betty Lou

Betty Lou, the walkthrough talks about doing the pellets in two separate trips--that's all I really know about it.

Estimates of the waiting time have varied from ten to fifteen minutes. I'd say this is probably like that wait for the ladder earlier--don't touch anything, just time your wait so you don't give up too soon...

Betty Lou, did you test the pellets before you used one? Yes, the machine will make pellets that don't work. I was down to the fifth pellet before I finally did it right--kept dropping them or not clicking on the linking screen on time.

OH Boy! Well, I guess I have to practice being a bit faster then - make the pellets, go to the machine, grab one and link immediately to upper Cave, link to Relto, back to pellets, grab one, link immediately to Kadish's room, link immed to lower cave and set camera and wait, and wait and wait and wait.................zzzzzzzzzzz, huh, did it miss it again? Will give it a try ~ soon ~..... Thanks for the tips.
Love, Betty Lou

Betty Lou, the only time you have to be quick is when you click on the linking book to the city on your right as you pick up the pellet. You will use both hands if you do it right. If you don't, you will see the pellet drop to the floor, as I did. Test the pellet at the testing site. If it is working--makes a bright light, go back and pick up another pellet. Now there is no rush. Just link to the upper cave, drop the pellet and then go to the lower cave and wait--about 14 minutes for me.

There are three sites involved. The testing site in the city, where you put the pellet into the machine, the upper cave where the pellet is automatically dropped, and the lower cave.

HI, I'm baaaaaaack....stuck again. Same place. The 'actions to occur' in the cave/caves is not happening no matter what I do.....the only thing I can think of is that I am not 'testing' the pellets correctly, and/or I am not doing something right. The order of this task is to: make the pellets, take a pellet (test it?, how?), link immediately to the first cavern with the book/link next to the pellet machine, it/she drops the pellet in (am I supposed to see a "bright light"? It is not dark in the cave and I can see just fine. Immediately link to Relto, then back to pellet machine, then pick up another pellet, link back to Relto, then to Ahonanay via the shell marker in the book, arrive in Kadish's room, immediately link with that stone link in the center of the room to the second cave, it/she is supposed to drop that pellet into the ?water? and I am supposed to see a bright light? This cave too is not dark, and I can see the 'bumps' on the wall just fine. Then I set up my camera aimed at the bumps on the wall and wait........as little as 5 seconds, or 10 minutes and as much as 15 or 20 minutes? Then take a picture....GUESS WHAT - it is NOT happening......
So I have tried to continue on as if it has, have been to that other age after standing on the metal plate with the shell pattern and climbing the ladder up to that other room, and made my way into the 'fireplace' in the MYST age and entered the pattern on the inside of the door, nothing happens no matter which way I do it. Help please.
I need advice.
Love, Betty Lou

Betty Lou, it seems that you are missing the testing site. There is a linking book to the right that takes you to Ae'gura (not the upper cave) where you will find a machine that you can put your pellet in. It is a balcony with a ladder nearby. You will see a bright light very shortly.

You will not see a bright light when you drop the pellet in the upper cave.

Pokey, that linking book to the right at the pellet machine links me to a cave, so where can I look for the book to link me to the testing sight? I'm more than a little bit confused here.....as usual - but having fun anyway, just need my 'brain' shook and some precise step by step instructions to help 'clear the cobwebs' and 'put me on the right track' and I DO thank you all for your help - I sure need you a lot
Love, Betty Lou

AND does this also mean I have to finish Ercana before I can make everything in the last age/s work correctly? If so then I really need to know what I am supposed to do and how to do it in Ercana.
Love, Betty Lou

There should be both a bahro stone that links to the upper cavern and a linking book to the city.

From the walkthrough:
"Return to the stone pellet machine room. There are two links here: a Bahro Stone to the upper cavern and a book to a location on Ae'gura."

I would assume you have to do this part to advance. You don't need to take pictures, though.

Ah, Pokey, sorry to be such a pain - so is the upper cavern the place I go to 'test' the pellet? When I link on the book I end up in a cave not at Kadish's on Aegura....for that I linked back to Relto then used the Aegura book - see how confused I am?...........
Love, Betty Lou

Betty Lou, hold a pellet in your hand and touch the linking book at the same time [linking book in pellet room]. It will take you to a place where you walk on a metal like grate, I think it's a silo like building. There is a machine that will "scan" the pellet and either the machine or you will drop it into the water. You should see a decent whitish glow if your formula is correct. Then go to a linking book that is there and you will link back to the pellet room.
Take another pellet and go to the upper Bahro cave, drop your pellet and then wait for 14 or 15 minutes.

Clear as mud?

Good luck, you are really sticking with this game lady.

Sue

Boy, talk about 'dumb blondes' and 'scrambled eggs for brains', I finally understood this - seemed to keep ignoring that link book next to the stone at the pellet machine, but once I saw how to get to 'test' area etc, everything else just fell into place. I am so delighted that you all have stuck with me thru this and had the patience to help me 'see the light' cause I finally got it.......Am now in MYST fireplace trying to figure out how to 'merge' all my KI shots, or do I just do that with pencil and paper (for real)? Have done just that and need to go back to the game and try my pattern out, it does not match what the walkthrough says at all....
Have a great weekend. The son, d-i-l and 2 granddaughters are on their way here to spend weekend with us.....so looking forward to it.
Love, Betty Lou

HELP I need someone to remind me just how I get to Kadish Tolesa vault....I am at the very end of POTS and my memory has slipped badly, cannot figure out if I should use the Kadish link book (purple) and if so do I use the shell symbol or the picture page? then where do I go? Thanks
Love, Betty Lou

I thought I'd answered this Betty Lou (I distinctly remember typing the answer!!!), but it seems to have disappeared so I'll post it again.

To get back to the vault, use the Kadish book. I would try the marker--if it isn't set to take you right back inside the vault, you'll still be farther along than if you start from the picture, which is the very beginning...

Well, to be more precise about my problem, I do not know what IS the VAULT...And do I link to Kadish Tolesa using the 4th book (purple)...If I link using the shell symbol I end up inside the extra room that opens when the 3 machines are set correctly and if I link using the picture I end up at the beginning of the cave walkways to those 3 machines. So just where is the vault? I have looked everywhere in the KT area and cannot find the linking book to "link to a different version of Kadish vault". Feeling a little confused again....
Love, Betty Lou

Betty Lou, the vault is where the man (Kadish) died rather than leave all of his riches. You had to climb up on a pile of boxes to touch the marker in that room.

If the marker takes you inside the door that you open by setting those three machines, then when you walk through the door leading out of that place, you will be ready to do the puzzle where you walk the shadowy path. Remember that one?

The Kadish Gallery is in the big open room after you climb up those four pillars. It is full of cables, including the one that you had to walk to get to the Bahro Cave. It is all the way up the stairs, and you have to set some buttons over to the right, just before you go up the stairs, in order to open the door.

Does that all sound familiar...

Yes, I know where that is and have been there but did not know it was called a 'vault', I can find my way there again, and thanks so much. I had some time here and there yesterday to play with the game in between the girls (all 3 of them) using my computer.....haha. It is early here now and Aub and I are the only ones up so far. Thanks again
Love, Betty Lou