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#1107994 - 04/21/17 10:33 AM Re: Syberia 3 Launch Trailer: « Let the Great Migration begin! » [Re: BrownEyedTigre]
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I get thrown out of the story immersion in games and TV shows/movies with such far fetched actions. My brain immediately catches it and I focus on the ridiculousness of it all. Doesn't sound good to me at all. What a disappointment.
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#1107998 - 04/21/17 11:13 AM Re: Syberia 3 Launch Trailer: « Let the Great Migration begin! » [Re: BrownEyedTigre]
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I agree Sheriff

I do have to make one correction to a statement I made earlier about the game saving upon exiting. Today when playing it didn't save on exit as when I loaded the game up a couple times I was not where I had quit in the previous session and I had to play a small portion again. Strange as I was sure it saved on exit every time I played on the first day but maybe it was just a coincidence. The game does save in spots automatically and you know when that happens when a set of gears appear in the top right corner of the screen. I doesn't seem to be a long time in between these markers but if you are lost for what to do and don't hit the save triggers it may take longer.

If this game was made for the consoles first and foremost my question would be: is there a big market for traditional Adventure games on consoles? I would have thought the market would be minimal or at least equal to the PC as it seems the console players would be more into action adventures such as Final Fantasy and games like that. My other question is why they didn't use the method used in the games like Frogwares Sherlock Holmes and Cyans Obduction where there is a happy medium between the consoles and the PC's
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#1108003 - 04/21/17 11:46 AM Re: Syberia 3 Launch Trailer: « Let the Great Migration begin! » [Re: BrownEyedTigre]
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It seems to me from what I am reading, it doesn't work well with controller or keyboard so who does it appeal to? If they were hoping to gain a bigger audience, I don't think they went about it the right way.
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#1108012 - 04/21/17 01:11 PM Re: Syberia 3 Launch Trailer: « Let the Great Migration begin! » [Re: BrownEyedTigre]
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True Dat....Does that make me sound like a young hipster? snicker

I have progressed somewhat far and have 6 hours in. Getting a little more use to using the controls but still don't like it. I don't bang into things or go in circles as much but it still happens regularly. I think the biggest problem I have is the camera angle. For example i am guiding Kate from behind down a street, I turn left into an alley using both the 'W' (forward) and the 'A' Key (left. Once I am in the alley the camera view changes to in front of Kate where she should be walking towards the camera but I still have the 'W' and/or 'A' key pressed which immediately turns her around to her right and and either walks into a wall or walks away. This may also happen with a controller. The story is getting better and it is what drives me to slog on.
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#1108017 - 04/21/17 01:48 PM Re: Syberia 3 Launch Trailer: « Let the Great Migration begin! » [Re: BrownEyedTigre]
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Update from Microids
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Hello Syberia community. First of all thank you for your support and feedbacks ; both negative and positive. We are really happy to see that Syberia community is so strong. We really hope that new and ancient players will enjoy this new sequel and we would like to strengthen and improve our communication with the community. There is a lot of message and we are reading all of them and take all into account in order to provide you with updates.


We are currently working hard to deliver a patch as soon as possible that will help you to improve your game experience. Here is the list of the known issues we are working on.



Controls: we are improving control on keyboard/mouse and compatibility with most gamepad controllers.
Russian and Chinese Fonts are too small
Voice over and sound issues:
Save game issue: some of you have issue loading previous save. Currently the only known tip is to start a new game and load the previous save.
Material compatibility.
Mac optimization
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#1108018 - 04/21/17 01:51 PM Re: Syberia 3 Launch Trailer: « Let the Great Migration begin! » [Re: GreyFuss]
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Originally Posted By: GreyFuss
If this game was made for the consoles first and foremost my question would be: is there a big market for traditional Adventure games on consoles?

No, but they think the market will be the combination of adventure gamers and console gamers when it's actually something less than the intersection of the two groups. As Ana pointed out, even the gamepad controls aren't ideal. It's insulting -- they think that adventure gamers will buy anything with the name Syberia on it, and they think console gamers will buy anything that can be played on a console.

Originally Posted By: GreyFuss
Over 2.5 hours in and so far the conundrums you face are no more than a novice adventure game player could solve

Look at the previous games made by Koalalabs -- Dracula 4 and 5 (fairly easy and as much casual games as adventure games) and a few casualized ports of PC games to IOS/Android/Mac.
http://www.koalabs-studio.com/games/
If you're familiar with the PC originals and have played any of these ports, you know how many puzzles and hotspots were removed from the ports. They're advertised as "optimized for IOS" but that's BS-speak for "we cut out all the parts that couldn't be easily plugged into our prefab game engine."

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#1108021 - 04/21/17 02:24 PM Re: Syberia 3 Launch Trailer: « Let the Great Migration begin! » [Re: BrownEyedTigre]
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It always surprises me and I was again thinking this as I play Syberia 3, don't they have real Adventure Game Players and real Console Game players test these games during Beta? I don't mean in house players or family and friends but actual players to give unbiased feedback. These control issues would have been addressed a long time ago if they had I would think.
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#1108022 - 04/21/17 02:44 PM Re: Syberia 3 Launch Trailer: « Let the Great Migration begin! » [Re: BrownEyedTigre]
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The killer for me is not being able to use the mouse for camera angle and the WASD keys for movement. Using WASD for all movement is awkward and imprecise. Will definitely NOT be ponying up my money for this game.
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#1108035 - 04/21/17 05:02 PM Re: Syberia 3 Launch Trailer: « Let the Great Migration begin! » [Re: GreyFuss]
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Originally Posted By: GreyFuss
It always surprises me and I was again thinking this as I play Syberia 3, don't they have real Adventure Game Players and real Console Game players test these games during Beta? I don't mean in house players or family and friends but actual players to give unbiased feedback. These control issues would have been addressed a long time ago if they had I would think.

I think the strongest clue I've got from reading this thread so far is that any play testing with 'actual players' will give an awful lot of VERY BIASED feedback.

The controls in Syberia 3 are very like Grim Fandango; i.e. what's called tank controls. And nobody gives that game a hard time for it!

Although, I must admit, I miss the simplicity of point & click controls in a PC game, no matter what Benoit Sokal might think.

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#1108038 - 04/21/17 05:55 PM Re: Syberia 3 Launch Trailer: « Let the Great Migration begin! » [Re: BrownEyedTigre]
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@Draclvr
I hear ya...do you think that because this game is third person is why that type of control wont work well and that it was more suited for first person? That was crossing my mind as I played today.


@Gremlin

LOL...I hated Grim Fandango! Couldn't get past an hour or two it was that bad for me. lol

If thats what you call Biased Testing then thats exactly what they need from the real people that would be playing the games and not those employees, creators or programmers that have a vested interest or their family and friends who may not give the proper criticism so as not to hurt anyone's feelings. Thats all I'm sayin.

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#1108047 - 04/21/17 08:10 PM Re: Syberia 3 Launch Trailer: « Let the Great Migration begin! » [Re: BrownEyedTigre]
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I do testing for one of the adv companies and I can tell you that there is a lot of valuable information from the testers that generates changes to the game before release... LOTS!!! and the games are better for this.
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#1108055 - 04/21/17 08:42 PM Re: Syberia 3 Launch Trailer: « Let the Great Migration begin! » [Re: BrownEyedTigre]
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Thanks for the additional info GreyFuss regarding the modes and saves.

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#1108056 - 04/21/17 08:43 PM Re: Syberia 3 Launch Trailer: « Let the Great Migration begin! » [Re: BrownEyedTigre]
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I will not believe anything negative about Syberia 3, I am certain it is great and I look forward to playing it. I don't buy games for the PS4 anymore because the resolution is normal HD. Much better on the Mac or PC in very high definition. And I can still use the controller of the PS4 to play on PC. So for me the WASD is not an issue. People should consider buying a controller to use with their PC, maybe the Steam one, but I have not tried it. It might be easier and more compatible to buy a XBox controller for the PC, since it is Microsoft. They are all very much compatible with any new game, and then, no more WASD headache. I'm sure there are lots of used ones for sale on eBay.

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#1108065 - 04/21/17 09:53 PM Re: Syberia 3 Launch Trailer: « Let the Great Migration begin! » [Re: BrownEyedTigre]
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I want a point and click game I can play with a mouse. I do not like controllers and if that's what they want to do, they will do it without me. My money will go to something else.
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#1108080 - 04/22/17 01:13 AM Re: Syberia 3 Launch Trailer: « Let the Great Migration begin! » [Re: BrownEyedTigre]
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Originally Posted By: BrownEyedTigre
I want a point and click game I can play with a mouse. I do not like controllers and if that's what they want to do, they will do it without me. My money will go to something else.


I agree with you 100% on your comment regarding mouse vs controllers or joystick, why in the HellO would I want to buy a controller or gamepad for one maybe 2 games, nope and as BrownEyedTiger said, I will also put my Hard Earned Cash elsewhere.

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