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#1108240 - 04/23/17 06:20 PM Re: Syberia 3 Launch Trailer: « Let the Great Migration begin! » [Re: BrownEyedTigre]
Cari Offline
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Having read the customers views on Steam they have reinforced my doubts for this long awaited sequel. How many times have experiments with 3d graphics produced
so many problems for the players.
I’ll say no more, but read the reviews before shelling out your 40$

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#1108305 - 04/24/17 09:17 AM Re: Syberia 3 Launch Trailer: « Let the Great Migration begin! » [Re: Cari]
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"The first adventure game I played with camera-relative control was Broken Sword 3 (BS3), and I had a terrible time controlling it"

Me, too, Jenny100. In fact I got so fed up of it I never bothered to finish the game.
And there's certainly no way I would ever want to deal with it again !! rolleyes
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#1108338 - 04/24/17 11:47 AM Re: Syberia 3 Launch Trailer: « Let the Great Migration begin! » [Re: BrownEyedTigre]
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Wow, I am completely surprised by the feedback, I have been waiting for Syberia 3 for so long I was pretty much certain I would buy the Collector's Edition of the game. But judging by the feedback I will save my money for another game then. Unfortunately, it seems another game has caught the extreme consolidis virus where developers only care about consoles and pc is the black sheep. Even the €15 cd key looks like too expensive for me now. So much for point and click, more like wasd and push. smirk smirk
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#1108350 - 04/24/17 01:32 PM Re: Syberia 3 Launch Trailer: « Let the Great Migration begin! » [Re: Mad]
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Originally Posted By: Mad
"The first adventure game I played with camera-relative control was Broken Sword 3 (BS3), and I had a terrible time controlling it"

Me, too, Jenny100. In fact I got so fed up of it I never bothered to finish the game.
And there's certainly no way I would ever want to deal with it again !!

A lot depends on what you're used to, and how fast you can adapt (or if you can adapt). If you've watched any of the YouTube videos about the backwards-steering bicycle like this one...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFzDaBzBlL0
The situation is similar with keyboard controls, though you're less apt to fall on the floor using a keyboard than you are riding a backwards-steering bike. But you still develop different reflexes for character-relative vs camera-relative control and do all sorts of things to compensate for direction without thinking. Then when suddenly confronted with the "other" control scheme, you can't adapt -- at least not quickly -- and instead of correcting for minor deviations in intended direction, you make them even worse. It's probably worse for people who've mastered character-relative controls than it is for people who've never used keyboard controls before.

If you're able to use a gamepad, you can use the gamepad for games with camera-relative controls and use the keyboard for games with character-relative controls, and the control systems are different enough that you can develop reflexes for both that don't contradict each other.

But not everyone can use a gamepad, even if they're willing to invest in one.
No one with bad thumb joints (or clumsier-than-normal thumbs) will be able to use a gamepad.

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#1108364 - 04/24/17 04:31 PM Re: Syberia 3 Launch Trailer: « Let the Great Migration begin! » [Re: Jenny100]
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Jenny100

I agree with you here smile

The reason I do this is because I can just as easily use the wsad keys for movement and the mouse for movement ass well. The only thing I will have much trouble with is if the camere in the game is not fixed, but bobbing (sp?) up and down. I wil then motion sickness very fast - and this is enough for me to never finish the game. Evem though it seems to be very great game.

I have played Morrowind and Oblivion and the Star Wars games made by Bioware and Obsidian without any problems - all these games have you use the wsad keys for movement. If you have played the (very) old might and magic games (1-7) you would have gotten used to do movement in these games by using the wsad keys.

I'm also having trouble with this:

When the developers (or publishers or both) thinks they need sort of middle ground between the wsad keys and the mouse for movements, it really ends up annoying both groups - let's call them pc players and console players for now.
[The Longest Journey: Dreamfall - I'm looking at you! and DA: Inquisition I'm also partly looking at you!] In these games, the pc controls didn't work properly and even some console players complained about the terrible controls.

I haven't yet played Syberia 3 as of now but from I have seen so from the trailer I have this to say:

Don't know about the controls, but the visuals look like they lack or are short of a few textures, the voice acting seem terrible, and is it really so that Kate's voice isn't the original voice from the first two Syberia games...
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#1108365 - 04/24/17 04:42 PM Re: Syberia 3 Launch Trailer: « Let the Great Migration begin! » [Re: Karsten]
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Originally Posted By: Karsten

Don't know about the controls, but the visuals look like they lack or are short of a few textures, the voice acting seem terrible, and is it really so that Kate's voice isn't the original voice from the first two Syberia games...



The original English speaking voice actor from the first Syberia'a are the same one used in Syberia 3.
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#1108392 - 04/24/17 08:18 PM Re: Syberia 3 Launch Trailer: « Let the Great Migration begin! » [Re: BrownEyedTigre]
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Besides having looked forward to playing this game since I finished Syberia II almost 13 years ago, I was actually eager to try it with my Xbox 360 controller. I've recently used the controller with very satisfying results for the excellent games Firewatch and Gone Home (which I, by the way, recommend to everyone). However, only a third of the commands work with the controller. I can move around, and bring up the menu (with the wrong button, I might add). The buttons for dialogue, inventory items, etc. are simply dead.

I've spent a few hours trying to get around this, and/or fix it somehow, but no such luck. I tried to use the keyboard/mouse instead, and it works as it's supposed to. But this is not a game made for keyboard/mouse control. That would be like using a joystick for Microsoft Word.

I will wait for the patch now, and see what it does. Many more things should be impoved:

The cursor icon that is hardly visible.

The inventory is clunky and ineffective.

The game only saves at checkpoints.

No manual graphics optimization, which is bad news for players that don't have top notch computers.

Dialogues can't be bypassed. This is crucial when portions have to be replayed due to the save system.

I hate to be so critical, but these things have to be said. I'm sure that the game is excellent, but we can't let it be destroyed by an interface that might be the buggiest ever.


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#1108399 - 04/24/17 09:20 PM Re: Syberia 3 Launch Trailer: « Let the Great Migration begin! » [Re: BrownEyedTigre]
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Thanks, Mikael - your opinion carries a lot of weight for me!
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#1108405 - 04/24/17 11:10 PM Re: Syberia 3 Launch Trailer: « Let the Great Migration begin! » [Re: BrownEyedTigre]
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DRAT! These are exactly the kinds of reactions that were written when Still Life II was released. The comments were correct and after two rather good games (Post Mortem and Still Life) they messed things up and killed the series. Why make two beautiful and brilliant games and then change the concept so completely? Ah well, I'm sure there was a sound business reason for it.
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#1108407 - 04/24/17 11:50 PM Re: Syberia 3 Launch Trailer: « Let the Great Migration begin! » [Re: BrownEyedTigre]
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The reviews are not kind I've been looking around to see what is being said because I really wanted this game. The comments here caused a bit of pause and this review re-enforced people's concerns.
Review
This did not read like one of those reviews written by someone who does not like Adventure games.
Deciding not to buy I watched a complete play through on You Tube something I normally would not do. When finished I knew I made the right choice If you are considering buying this game read the review but whatever you do don't watch a complete play through on you tube. I'm not going to let the cat out of the bag and you really don't want to know. That's why I brought it up, don't watch the play through

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#1108416 - 04/25/17 04:56 AM Re: Syberia 3 Launch Trailer: « Let the Great Migration begin! » [Re: BrownEyedTigre]
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Being what is probably halfway through the game I can say that the review is pretty much spot on, maybe even a little too kind on the control/camera issue.

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#1108446 - 04/25/17 08:45 AM Re: Syberia 3 Launch Trailer: « Let the Great Migration begin! » [Re: BrownEyedTigre]
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Registered: 07/06/07
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I'm soooo disappointed. I waited so long for it to be released. I can only play point and click. sad
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#1108451 - 04/25/17 09:10 AM Re: Syberia 3 Launch Trailer: « Let the Great Migration begin! » [Re: BrownEyedTigre]
lynthorpe Offline
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Registered: 06/30/11
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Loc: UK
I am the same GBC.
This is all soooo disappointing. Like many, I was hoping it would be like the first two. I love third person P&C which was what I was expecting from this. I will NOT be purchasing it. I may be a dinosaur but, sorry, that is the sort of game I like. Added to which it seems VERY expensive.
If you're going to try and sell a game based on the success of previous games in the series, then that, surely is your target market. Why mess with it?

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#1108461 - 04/25/17 09:45 AM Re: Syberia 3 Launch Trailer: « Let the Great Migration begin! » [Re: BrownEyedTigre]
Winfrey Offline
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Registered: 04/11/06
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I replayed Syberia 1 and half way thru Syberia 2..... at least I have been able to enjoy Syberia again!!
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#1108463 - 04/25/17 09:54 AM Re: Syberia 3 Launch Trailer: « Let the Great Migration begin! »
Lozza Offline
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Registered: 07/06/11
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Hi, I was just wondering if anyone knows when or if there is to be a Syberia 3 walkthrough any time soon? I am looking forward to the delivery of the above (I hope, as not sure it's the right one, as the walkthrough that I found wasn't Syberia 3 but the third part of Syberia two)! The art work and clips are all correct, but the walkthrough was not. Be good if you have info on such. thanks.
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