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#1114580 - 06/19/17 07:07 PM Buying options for adventure games
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Please excuse me if this topic has been talked to death already, and I've missed the conversations. I prefer to purchase/download my games to my computer and play them DRM-free. I see lots of games available that way at GOG, but mostly nostalgia games and last year's best sellers, not too many of the newly-issued games. Has it come to pass that DRM play is the norm now for new games? I missing a site where new games can be purchased outright, or even on a disk (gasp!) rather than by download?

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#1114610 - 06/19/17 10:10 PM Re: Buying options for adventure games [Re: Reenie]
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Originally Posted By: Reenie
I prefer to purchase/download my games to my computer and play them DRM-free. I see lots of games available that way at GOG, but mostly nostalgia games and last year's best sellers, not too many of the newly-issued games. Has it come to pass that DRM play is the norm now for new games? I missing a site where new games can be purchased outright, or even on a disk (gasp!) rather than by download?

I don't know of one, unless you include sites that distribute free games.

Besides GOG, fireflowergames.com is another DRM-free website.
Though not as large as GOG, FireflowerGames has a few games that GOG does not (Perils of Man, Tales of Cosmos, etc).
Not that GOG is anywhere near as large as Steam.

Steam practically has a monopoly, and it's not a good thing.
See the Polygon article ***Valve is not your friend...***

As for new games on disc, if you see a new game that claims to be on DVD, you still have to check before purchase that the disc actually contains the game and not just a Steam installer.

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#1114611 - 06/19/17 10:23 PM Re: Buying options for adventure games [Re: Jenny100]
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Yeah, I tried Steam, but I really don't want to use it anymore. I will check out the others. Thanks.

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#1114626 - 06/20/17 03:14 AM Re: Buying options for adventure games [Re: Reenie]
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What an amazing read Jenny
Off to read the legal decisions.
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#1114634 - 06/20/17 04:43 AM Re: Buying options for adventure games [Re: flotsam]
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Yes. Thank you so much for that, Jenny100. Very informative !! thumbsup

"Steam’s near monopoly has always been happily supported by players and even the press."

That sweeping statement is one bit I would highlight though because I am a player and it has certainly never applied to me !!!! devil
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#1114668 - 06/20/17 12:42 PM Re: Buying options for adventure games [Re: Mad]
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So true, Mad. I wonder who wrote the article?

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#1114674 - 06/20/17 01:29 PM Re: Buying options for adventure games [Re: Reenie]
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There is something significant missing from that Steam article. The view of the developers who have literally been kept alive by the income that Steam offers them. It is the one place they can release that they get paid well, fairly and on time. I have a significant number of developer friends from all over the world and we chat daily, and Steam is the #1 choice for them to be guaranteed a chance to make a living. There are many sides to this story, and it is obviously written by a steam hater gathering data to attack them. Bottom line is, you can be thankful that Steam exists because without, there would be a lot less games available.
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#1114676 - 06/20/17 01:40 PM Re: Buying options for adventure games [Re: BrownEyedTigre]
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Another good comment. It always helps to have multiple points of view expressed!

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#1114679 - 06/20/17 02:21 PM Re: Buying options for adventure games [Re: Reenie]
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I don't want to stray too far off track here, but I want to support Anna's post. I've been beta testing several games over the last year or so and this is exactly what the game developers are saying to me. Each one of these games - four of them, if I remember correctly - was released on Steam because Steam is a reliable venue for the developers.

Love or hate Steam, I will quote Anna,
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Bottom line is, you can be thankful that Steam exists because without, there would be a lot less games available.
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#1114703 - 06/20/17 05:15 PM Re: Buying options for adventure games [Re: Reenie]
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I'd also like to support what Anna has stated. I'm only a player but I remember not too long ago that people were reporting that PC gaming was dead. Developers were complaining of piracy and poor revenue. Now there are a lot of independent developers who are fighting to get their games "greenlit". I feel that Steam has helped gaming in this way, but yes, they are occasionally annoying. Lately the client seems to be always updating. Game updates can also be a pain, but it's great that the developers can take care of bugs and other game issues quickly.

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#1114705 - 06/20/17 05:27 PM Re: Buying options for adventure games [Re: Reenie]
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THey eliminated Greenlight program as well as of late. YOu can now publish on demand for 100 dollars which is refunded after $1000 in sales. Sounds dang reasonable to me, in fact all but one developer I know thought the fee was too low and were hoping to pay more to weed out garbage.
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#1114756 - 06/21/17 02:45 AM Re: Buying options for adventure games [Re: BrownEyedTigre]
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Well re. this thread .. "Buying options for adventure games" .. My recommendation would be "GOG".

I am pleased for those who like and are satisfied with using Steam but my personal experience of Steam is BAD.

I have been a GOG customer since the site was created and in all the years following have regularly bought games from them with confidence and ease.

Using GOG I don't have to download anything other than the game I wish to buy.

I can download a game just by using my browser.

The game will be DRM Free from the outset. I won't have to mess about transferring files to external drives or other computers or anything else of that ilk to make it so.

And if I have even the slightest problem, I know GOG will respond very quickly and get it sorted.

And that just about sums up what I look for when buying and downloading a game thumbsup thumbsup thumbsup
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#1114797 - 06/21/17 10:01 AM Re: Buying options for adventure games [Re: Reenie]
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I agree with Mad - I much prefer GOG. Well, with the exception of the comment about them responding quickly... They take a minimum of 4 days and even tell you it will be several days now. The only complaint I have about Steam is the same - they take forever to respond. I have dozens of games from both places and don't have any complaints - other than slow response times - about either of them.

They are different in that GOG sells existing games which they have acquired the rights to and then remove any DRM from them and tweak them to play on modern computers. They are not an outlet for game developers to release their games like Steam is. They release a few new titles, but they are few and far between.

I think we gamers are very lucky to have both of them with so many gaming choices.
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#1114846 - 06/21/17 03:29 PM Re: Buying options for adventure games [Re: Reenie]
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Considering these two quotes

"The item re-sales are in full swing today, but that promised share of the profits for creators is still undelivered and Valve refuses to answer questions about where their money is. We emailed Valve for a comment on this issue before publishing the story, and have yet to hear back. After all, if you don't say anything, you can't tell a lie to the internet, right?"

"A company which will spend what has to be millions on legal fees to avoid having to pay you $15 in refunds, but which isn't “evil.” A company which exploits, underpays, deceives, obfuscates and refuses to cooperate at nearly every turn, but would never be caught dead doing “evil.”

It appears Steam is not only the same as the publishers that failed to pay developers they managed to refine the producer's fraud to an art form.

But that is how it works when total control of new games is in the hands of a single entity.

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#1114861 - 06/21/17 05:44 PM Re: Buying options for adventure games [Re: oldmariner]
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Originally Posted By: oldmariner


It appears Steam is not only the same as the publishers that failed to pay developers they managed to refine the producer's fraud to an art form.


They pay the developers very well. They are not remotely like the publishers that never paid for the games and caused developers to close doors. If you don't know first hand, don't accuse. This is a biased story. There are many many more success stories about Steam than there are failures.

We have so many anti-steam threads it's like listening to politics all over again. Can we just agree that everyone can make their own decision and if you don't want to download from there, it is your choice. Really. This is getting weary.
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