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Agents of Shield season 4 #1084127
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I've never read any Ghost Rider comics, so this is all new to me. Apparently there were at least two versions. One rode a motorcycle, this one drives a car.

According to a video on youtube the new Director is a character from the comics, he is a future Captain America. Coulson for reasons not yet disclosed allowed himself to be replaced as director.

The book mentioned in episode 2 is apparently encountered by Doctor Strange in the comics.


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Re: Agents of Shield season 4 [Re: GuybrushThreepwood] #1084128
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I must confess to being a bit confused when we watched that episode. Figured I need to go back and do some research


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Re: Agents of Shield season 4 [Re: GuybrushThreepwood] #1110158
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Its been renewed for fifth season.


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Re: Agents of Shield season 4 [Re: GuybrushThreepwood] #1110207
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This new season is interesting...


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Re: Agents of Shield season 4 [Re: GuybrushThreepwood] #1110779
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Well season 5 is going to be interesting.


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Re: Agents of Shield season 4 [Re: GuybrushThreepwood] #1133916
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Just watched the two part season premiere.
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They've gone from being stuck in an artificial reality Earth to a future in which Earth has been destroyed and the surviving humans on a space station are slaves of the Kree who have erased all records of the past and killed most of the people old enough to remember SHIELD.

A man who is actually an alien in disguise joins a group of heavily armed men who capture the SHIELD agents and expose them to a Kree Monolith which transports them to the future. Its only from his shadow we can tell the man isn't actually human.

Why weren't Colson and his team told about the mission and asked to undertake it instead of being abducted and sent with no knowledge of what they would be facing?

Fitz is not with the others because his name was not on the list. Simmons assumes where ever he is he's working on trying to reach them. if he's the one who works out how to reach his friends in the future and return them to their own time then it makes sense he's not on the list of people to send to the future.

The man who in the future was expecting them is dead and his friend blames SHIELD in general and Quake in particular for the destruction of Earth. And is going to interfere with their trying to undo this future. Nothing worse than a villain who doesn't recognize he's the villain but thinks he's doing right. He should ask himself why did the Kree erase the history of Earth and kill those who remembered SHIELD if SHIELD destroyed the Earth?
I hope this current story line isn't going to be dragged out all season. It's only going to be interesting for so long.

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Wow, my silly DVR only recorded 1 episode


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Oh no. Mine recorded both parts.


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Re: Agents of Shield season 4 [Re: GuybrushThreepwood] #1145123
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Oh great now they're trying to
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make that idiot from the future out to be the grandson of two of the team who of course haven't had his mother yet.


I have a crazy theory about the future they're trying to keep from happening.
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They're all experience their fears because of a tear in reality. So maybe that future they experienced is a result of that and all they have to do to avoid is is close the rift.

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Re: Agents of Shield season 4 [Re: GuybrushThreepwood] #1145124
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Are any of those things spoilers Guybrush? Sounds like it to me and I'd hate to spoil it for someone who is behind.


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Re: Agents of Shield season 4 [Re: GuybrushThreepwood] #1145126
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Fixed.

I guess those could be spoilers, especially the first since it just happened last night.


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Re: Agents of Shield season 4 [Re: GuybrushThreepwood] #1145127
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THanks, Guybrush!


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Re: Agents of Shield season 4 [Re: GuybrushThreepwood] #1145145
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Guybrush, I like the g'son angle......


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Ghost Rider has had a few iterations in the Marvel universe. The writers actually debated about bringing him back because he's insanely overpowered. The only real weakness he has is the human to which the entity that is the "Ghost Rider" is attached. Reminds me a bit of some Japanese anime that I watch, where an other worldly entity becomes one with a human host and grant them power to right wrongs and such. The entity that give the ghost rider his power is somewhat of an elemental rather than a true demon, that's why Satan doesn't have full control of him. It's a little like the character Spawn, if you're familiar with that one.


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Re: Agents of Shield season 4 [Re: GuybrushThreepwood] #1145293
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I have never liked the character. I mean the jerk from the future bot Ghost Rider.

Elena needs to stop saying that what she was told would happen is happening and actually warn the rest of the team what those things are. They're doing precisely what future Elena told past Elena they must not do.




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Darn. When I saw that SHIELD's Phil Coulson is to be in the coming "Captain Marvel" movie I was pleased cause I thought that meant they were finally acknowledging his survival. But turns out this film is set in 1990. So his idol Captain America and friend Thor still won't know he's alive in 2018.
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BTW Hydra isn't as dead as the movies make out either.

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So I finally watched the last 7 episodes.

That was a strange ending.

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Fitz died but they're not mourning his loss because they believe that since that was a version of Fitz from the future who traveled into the past and died that if they can find the Fitz who in this time line was placed in suspended animation in order to survive to the future, they can keep him from dying since that future has been averted.

Coulson is apparently going to die (again) off camera and supposedly for good this time.

And the idiot from the future if Fitz is still alive must have just left the Lighthouse as he talked about to see the world, not ceased to exist as he would have if Fitz his grandfather was dead before Simmons gets pregnant with their daughter, his mother.


Of course when they find Fitz he won't know anything that happened this season. So if his future grandson is back he won't recognize him.


There's a logical problem. If that future didn't happen that Fitz didn't travel to it and back in time so he's just dead. And none of them should have any knowledge of this future that didn't happen. See what happens when you write convoluted time travel stories you have endings that don't make sense.


It has been renewed for another season.

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It was quite an ending wave


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Season 6 is delayed until July 2019. The episode is currently titled "Missing Pieces" and although Clark Gregg whose character Agent Phil Coulson was dying at the end of season 5 and is not listed as being in the cast he is listed as the episodes director. THe rest of the main cast, including another character that should be dead and one who should no longer exist since the future he came from didn't happen after all, but they both are in the cast list anyway.

My guess Phil Coulson will be in the series there just trying to keep it a surprise in which case they should have given the actor a fake name to direct under, its been done before in other shows.

Apparently the delay is ABC choice not Marvel's.


BTW Netflix has canceled Marvel's Luke Cage and Marvel's Iron Fist so sounds like Marvel's TV partners are not over joyed with them.


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Thanks, Guybrush. I have to say I'm not a fan of the way they do "seasons" these days. I forget about shows because they are off the air for so long.


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We're chomping at the bit for the next season. My partner will start watching all the previous seasons a few months in advance of the new release to get back into the swing of the series. Plus she's just a rampant Marvel fan grin

Guybrush, just read your earlier spoiler about the time dilemma. They based that aspect of the story on the prevailing theory that while time to us seems linear, every event spawns every potential action in separate and distinct timelines that operate completely independent of one another. The real continuity issue in the story was the concern by their progeny. The probability of changing someone's future existence by going back in time is dramatically reduced due to the aforementioned. Hitting the exact timeline is nearly impossible due to all the infinitesimal differences between potentials.


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Although the movies ignore the TV series the series hasn't been ignoring the movies. So some people wondering will half the population of Earth be missing in Agents of Shield? Or will the finally ignore the movies?

The series returns May 10th. The episode titled "Missing Pieces" is directed by Clark Gregg who previously played Phil Coulson . Coulson is supposedly dead, having said his goodbyes at end of the last season and gone off to die. However Clark Gregg plays"Sarge" a character he swears is not Coulson. Right....

Also Agent Davis and Agent Piper will be returning.

Episodes 2 and 3 are titled "Window of Opportunity" and "Fear and Loathing on the Planet of Kitson". Remaining 10 episode titles unknown at this time. Only 13 episodes scheduled. If it does well it could get expanded of course. First five seasons were 22 episodes each. So 13 is a drastic cut back.

Not sure about Voyager, but origial Star Trek, Next Generation. Deep Space 9 and Enterprise all had alternate reality stories where the characters turned out different.
Stargate: SG1 two alternate universe stories in which Earth is invaded. One ends badly. Second the main team assists the other universe. Also had some time travel stories. One of which results in them messing up their own future because they interfered in the past. The result being they were not a team.

Personally I think all this alternative universe nonsense is just a way of ignoring the paradoxes time travel stories always lead to.

Anyhow to save Leo Fitz: this series is going to have to msss around with alternate time lines since he's dead in this one. I suspect thats how we get Coulson back too.

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Thanks, Guybrush, looking forward to seeing how they handle this season puppy


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Marvel is known for using alternate timelines and universes, all the way back to the original comic books. There are entire story arcs with familiar characters acting in completely unfamiliar ways, cuz quantum mechanics lol

Many of the major superheroes have been killed, turned evil or transformed into something/one completely different at one time or another, but it was either an alternate universe, an alternate timeline or the version from the alternate "x" comes back to reside in the universe or timeline that coincides with what would be considered the main arc.

It's definitely a formula used to keep the story going, but in some cases it did make for compelling plots.

Also, if the theory I mentioned in my earlier post is valid, then the idea of time paradoxes no longer matter or are of very little concern.

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I'm done. I don't care about this plot. The silly notion that dead people are combing back to life and roaming the universe destroying their own planets, I don't even care why.

Its obvious that at some point Sarge will remember he's Coulson and return to SHIELD. And his friends in the Avengers who survived Thanos still wont know he's alive because the movies refused to acknowledge the series even though the series always refrenced the movies. And the movies are now done.

Oh and the new character, the SHIELD scientist will recognize one of the other men working with Sarge as his dead lover. Which of the many scenarios will follow I have no idea. Not going to watch to find out.


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