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#114822 - 06/14/04 08:22 PM Adventuring needs guiding, gaming needs MODs
Magicscroll Offline
Settled Boomer

Registered: 02/21/04
Posts: 202
Loc: South Korea
I love GB's; I hope my avatar shows that. And my small goal is to have the 'Settled Boomer' title. I'm rather new to this forum and I have a difficult time writing in English but I do make an effort in contributing to the GB spirit.

Gaming is a great hobby. And like many other great hobbies, gaming thrived long enough to break being a fad and started to become a culture. Gaming is not something that is just given by a pricetag. Every game is a work of art. We could get visual, audio stimulations from TV commercials but games are far different. Games grow on us; they mold our emotions. I can tell gaming became a cultural identity not because its just fun and popular. It's because I see people talk over them in forums. Let's just see which lasts longer, the GB forum or a forum for "Friends."

When I play an adventure game, I feel I am adventuring. An adventure would just not be an adventure if there wasn't any myths, legends, artifacts, maps, tales, rumors, and riddles. They are the human factor, my guides. A lost artifact is a speck of fire burried in ashes. When exposed, our hearts are at a blaze. The heat spreads like a forest-fire. Don't we have that feeling when we discover a new adventure game?

Because adventuring is deeply rooted within us, it is only natural to express our passion. We have to share news and information, write reviews, make walkthroughs, and finally make games. And how could all this happen if it weren't for the kind people that encourages us and moderates our forums? There were times when we had to 'hope that we could buy a walkthrough from some magazine.' If those dark ages lasted longer, I would have had to convert to movies.

Being a MOD is tough. I am a MOD of Post-Adventure (the Korean adventure portal) and I face difficulties myself. I learn a lot from the MODs of GB's and they are all great people. I once made a comic strip that degraded people using warez and there was quite a commotion. I had to delete a thread because things got out of hand. I thought I was open to other people's opinions but a wild thread is a disaster. I repeat, wild threads are a disaster. Once we press enter after writing a thread, the words stick. All the convincing in the world can't make a person say "I was wrong and I will never post such a comment again." The common reply would be "I have my reasons and I can voice my opinion." Strike and Counter-strike. A cycle begins and there's just one thing to do, to make a firm stop. I would love to share my thoughts with many people but wild threads causes great tension. Certain comments are bound to create a certain reply.

The MODs are the nicest people around. They go through so much trouble and do so much for us. Even more than what brushes our eyes. Although I have my views, I should not get offended by them. I trust that they always mean well.

I remember my times in the military. "You %@$%# @%#$!" can mean "I'm concerned about you so do better next time." Time went by and I've learned that it really meant that more than I thought not so. The true evil is ignorance and discontent. Last sunday, the pastor showed me a white sheet with a large black dot. He said, "Isn't there more white but why are you only seeing the black?"

Maybe I should hold a MOD only contest.
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#114823 - 06/14/04 09:00 PM Re: Adventuring needs guiding, gaming needs MODs
gatorlaw Offline
Adept Boomer

Registered: 11/01/99
Posts: 10308
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When I play an adventure game, I feel I am adventuring. An adventure would just not be an adventure if there wasn't any myths, legends, artifacts, maps, tales, rumors, and riddles. They are the human factor, my guides. A lost artifact is a speck of fire burried in ashes. When exposed, our hearts are at a blaze. The heat spreads like a forest-fire. Don't we have that feeling when we discover a new adventure game?
Well I certainly feel amazingly happy when I do hit that level with a game that I am playing. Thanks for articulating that buzz you get from a great game you really connect with. Well said. smile

On the "wild threads" remarks. Yes yes.

I would add that the reasons for any particular action are not always what they seem. Yes it is possible to have a game full of profanity - but pan it purely because of pixel hunts. The obvious is not always relevant.

The same applies to decisions on any given forum. Maybe it is a bit like a good friend. What they do may not always make sense and you may not be given an explanation. SO you have to decide for yourselves whether they are the sort of person who would do something for a good reason or not.

If you like them and think well of them overall - maybe you just leave it be and have a little faith that their moves are deeply thought about, have circumstances that demand discretion and accept it and move on. Maybe they will tell you what was going on later - maybe they won't. If their actions cause you uncertainty then by all means, take it up with them privately or publically if you need reassurance. But don't be surprised if the public answer is ... silence. Sometimes getting into the why of an action is even more problematic than the action itself. Something to think about

If these people are the sort you don't like and distrust on some level - well if it were me I would find a new set of friends. smile
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#114824 - 06/14/04 09:21 PM Re: Adventuring needs guiding, gaming needs MODs
JohnBoy Offline
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Loc: Kentwood, Left my heart in New...
bravo to both of you. Sincerely, JB
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#114825 - 06/14/04 09:45 PM Re: Adventuring needs guiding, gaming needs MODs
Salar of Myst Offline
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Registered: 12/06/02
Posts: 4216
Loc: Virginia's wetland dimension
Those are both excellent posts. wave

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#114826 - 06/14/04 10:28 PM Re: Adventuring needs guiding, gaming needs MODs
Magicscroll Offline
Settled Boomer

Registered: 02/21/04
Posts: 202
Loc: South Korea
Thank you all, and I can see Susan's avatar now. bravo
And thank you Gatorlaw for the great insight.
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#114827 - 06/14/04 11:24 PM Re: Adventuring needs guiding, gaming needs MODs
Namma Offline
Addicted Boomer

Registered: 11/09/00
Posts: 1793
Loc: The Middle of the Sonoran Dese...
Magicscroll your GB title may not yet be 'settled boomer' but your post shows you are undoubtedly "Boomer Spirited". <img border="0" alt="bravo" title="" src="graemlins/bravo.gif " />

I'm sure our terrific mods appreciate your insight that they do the very best they can. What us members see on the surface can many times be quite deceiving.

Personally I chose to become a GB because of the peaceful nature here. I love relaxing with good friends. If I want dissension I certainly don't need a forum, I have hormonal teenagers. This is one of my escapes from them. wink

Cheryl
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#114828 - 06/14/04 11:45 PM Re: Adventuring needs guiding, gaming needs MODs
gatorlaw Offline
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Registered: 11/01/99
Posts: 10308
Magicscroll, It was purely your sentiments that inspired me to say something.

Thank you. very much.
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#114829 - 06/15/04 12:41 AM Re: Adventuring needs guiding, gaming needs MODs
Rae Offline
Addicted Boomer

Registered: 02/01/03
Posts: 3509
Loc: Missouri
Magicscroll...I have spoken, studied and struggled to improve my English all my life, but I could never improve upon the pure poetry and sincere sentiment that you expressed in your post. I had wished to somehow comment on this issue, but since I really didn't know the "details" (such as they might have been) I abstained.

However, now that the "subject" has come up again, I would like to take this oppurtunity to express my FULL and UNQUALIFIED support for the moderators of all the Gameboomers Forums and again thank them for the wonderful work they do! What we see on the threads is obviously not the "whole" story. The mods are privy to information we do not (and should not) have, and I for one have faith that they are making fair and equitable decisions based on the information they do have.

As Cheryl so succinctly put it, this is a place for relaxing with good friends and sharing a common love: games and gaming. The Internet is a large and varied universe...and if the ambiance here is not to your liking, then there is certainly someplace that you will feel meets your needs. As for me, I like it here with the grown-ups!

praise and thanks
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#114830 - 06/15/04 02:55 AM Re: Adventuring needs guiding, gaming needs MODs
Kickaha Offline
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Registered: 03/27/01
Posts: 2413
Loc: Cambridge, England
For me the story-telling and characters are the key features that enmesh me in a game, but I'm happy to agree to disagree with those who like the puzzles and discovery aspect.

Human beings can be touchy, ready to take things the wrong way. Humour in particular I've found dangerous for its potential to be misunderstood, even when I'm speaking to someone I know let alone someone half way round the world I've never met.

As far as possible live in harmony with everyone is a good prescription. There will be those you can't live in harmony with and then I seek to leave them alone. Sometimes sadly if someone is disruptive you don't have a lot of choice.

The term "Moderator" makes me think of the rods used to control the reaction in a nuclear plant. Without moderation you end up with Chernobyl.
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#114831 - 06/15/04 03:13 AM Re: Adventuring needs guiding, gaming needs MODs
oldman Offline
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Registered: 04/15/00
Posts: 3400
Loc: Lost in the Arizona Desert
I haven't a lot to say but I trust the moderators on GB and when a decision is made there is no doubt in my mind that it has been and will continue to be for the benefit of all concerned.

The old saying of pleasing all of the people some of the time and some of the people all of the time but all of the people all of the time?

No way
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I laugh because you're all the same

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#114832 - 06/15/04 07:49 AM Re: Adventuring needs guiding, gaming needs MODs
DocPaul Offline
Addicted Boomer

Registered: 07/24/00
Posts: 1920
Loc: Georgia USA
I am in full support for the moderators as well. All are doing a great job!

Paul

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#114833 - 06/15/04 09:13 AM Re: Adventuring needs guiding, gaming needs MODs
krkdnose Offline
Settled Boomer

Registered: 04/06/04
Posts: 151
I fully believe and understand that moderators are a necessary part of any forum. Without them, forums would inevitably tend to chaos. They put a lot of work into what they do, and I think some of the moderators here do a wonderful job.

Many of you here have complete and total trust in the staff of this forum and that's great for you. But most of you have been here for a long time. I haven't been here very long, and while I respect the job the staff do, my trust doesn't get handed out freely it has to be earned.

You can say that they don't need to earn my trust. You can say that the staff here doesn't need to to explain the actions they take. And you can say that we as members don't need to know what prompts them to take these actions; that what they're doing is best for everybody. This however is not the description of a "community". It's straight out of 1984.

It's nice to think that the staff here only do what is best for everybody all the time. But it's also a little naive. They are, after all, only human. Sometimes people do things for their own personal reasons.

Quote:
Originally posted by gatorlaw:
[QUOTE]If their actions cause you uncertainty then by all means, take it up with them privately or publically if you need reassurance. But don't be surprised if the public answer is ... silence. Sometimes getting into the why of an action is even more problematic than the action itself.
You say this, but any time anybody brings "this" up, they just end up getting silenced and ridiculed. I would like to know the truth. Why does it have to be covered up?

In particular, I would like to know why someone (Lucky's Rainbow) got banned for simply posting a message telling me that there was an email message waiting for me at my email address.

Or was it that she was banned because she's the girlfriend of someone you don't like (Bacardi Jim)?

Don't try to tell me that it doesn't involve me, because if it didn't I wouldn't feel guilty about her getting banned. It was my simple, harmless post that started this current brouhaha...all I did was point out a review. People get banned in the process and I don't have a right to know about it? Everything that's being done is for the best, but we don't need to know about it?

Maybe this is 1984.

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#114834 - 06/15/04 09:43 AM Re: Adventuring needs guiding, gaming needs MODs
BrownEyedTigre Offline
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Sonic Boomer

Registered: 01/04/04
Posts: 64421
Loc: In the Naughty Corner
I wish we had a "biting my tongue" smiley. And to all the mods...may God bless you, you have the patience of saints!
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#114835 - 06/15/04 09:44 AM Re: Adventuring needs guiding, gaming needs MODs
tigger Offline
Graduate Boomer

Registered: 04/02/01
Posts: 15679
Loc: England
I'm quite sure there will be more to it than just the comment about an email... if your email addy was in the post, that would have been deleted but the rest of the message would have been there.

We do our best to make sure the board is a harmonious place to post, don't think that means we just all agree all the time, we don't, believe me!!!! What we do try and do is be fair to all parties.

If you do feel responsible in this instance, drop one of the administrators a line and I'm sure they will reassure you. The other point is, if someone does something wrong via emails etc, it is Not right that we give that info out on the board as it should be private between the two parties.
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#114836 - 06/15/04 10:26 AM Re: Adventuring needs guiding, gaming needs MODs
Magicscroll Offline
Settled Boomer

Registered: 02/21/04
Posts: 202
Loc: South Korea
Thank you all for your opinions. My opinion was mostly focused on myself. I can't conceive the thoughts of others, even if I ask politely. Heck, I often ask myself, "What was I thinking?"

There just wouldn't be a complete story unless every single word from everybody was jotted down for all to see. That may not accomplish anything and if one person refuses, by all means, that's his or her right.

I can never speak on behalf of anyone else nor openly assume other people's intentions. I have a hard time defending my own actions and words. Sometimes, I fail to even do so.

If I see a thread listing the truth, I would not feel happy. It would either be or seem to be a "who did what" blame. It would look like a schoolboy wearing a dunce-cap as a punishment. I would be upset; I may be the one to wear the cap later on. Don't get me wrong that MODs play teachers. The mind of a schoolboy is what I have while I write and rewrite my posts.

I can never expect a reply that makes the replier loose face. It would be like shaking a tree and expecting a fish.

And to Peter Smith, personally, I don't like lonely adventures. But I understand many have different tastes. Maybe they're like Tetris.
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