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#1157738 - 07/24/18 08:58 AM Re: Please help us find a really great Myst-Clone :-) [Re: mike_bn]
mike_bn Offline
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@Jenny (or anyone who knows):

Could you please help me one more time?
Of the games i listed, especially the ones you recommended,
could you tell me which are the ones
that also exist as a diminished/changed version?
You mentioned Beyond Atlantis, but are there other ones that
you can think of from the top of your head?

Btw, you asked about Zork: Grand Inquisitor. We already
bought it, i forgot to list it as one of the potential candidates.
Now that we decided to play Xing or Sentinel, we will play Zork
later sometime. I bought it on GoG for Windows, hope its a full version wink



Edited by mike_bn (07/24/18 09:00 AM)

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#1157761 - 07/24/18 11:55 AM Re: Please help us find a really great Myst-Clone :-) [Re: mike_bn]
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I'm interested!
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#1157765 - 07/24/18 12:29 PM Re: Please help us find a really great Myst-Clone :-) [Re: Draclvr]
Marian Offline
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The Atlantis games on GOG for the PC are the full versions, as well as Zork: Grand Inquisitor.


Edited by Marian (07/24/18 03:30 PM)
Edit Reason: edited for accuracy

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#1157771 - 07/24/18 03:19 PM Re: Please help us find a really great Myst-Clone :-) [Re: mike_bn]
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The Windows versions of the Beyond Atlantis games on GOG are the full versions.

The Mac OS X versions of the Beyond Atlantis games on GOG are stripped down mobile ports.

All 1st person games from Kheops, Cryo, and Microids published by GOG and elsewhere are stripped down mobile ports. I have played (or started playing) nearly all Mac OS X versions of 1st person games from Kheops, Cryo, and Microids offered at GOG, and without exception they have been the eviscerated mobile ports. That includes Amerzone, the Egypt games, etc.

If you have Mac OS X, download the Windows version and play it in a Virtual Machine with Windows installed inside the VM -- or in Boot Camp.

The CD version of Atlantis 2/Beyond Atlantis that was for Mac OS 8.6-9.1 (and published by Dreamcatcher in 2001) is a full version, but unless you have an old PowerMac capable of running Mac OS 8.6-9.1 I wouldn't recommend this version.

Any game from GOG that uses ScummVM will be the full version.
https://www.scummvm.org/compatibility/2.0.0/
That includes Myst, Riven, the Zork games, Pegasus Prime, Shivers, etc.

Any game that plays in DOSBox will be the full version.
Many GOG games use DOSBox or ScummVM.

Originally Posted By: mike_bn
could you tell me which are the ones
that also exist as a diminished/changed version?

Here is a list of games developed by Kheops Studio
http://www.mobygames.com/company/kheops-studio
All games listed there with the exception of the two earliest ones (Egypt II and Crystal Key II) have mobile ports. Some are worse than others and some download websites may offer the original versions.

GOG seems to sell the original versions of Windows games. They may have tweaked them slightly (they certainly had to remove disc checks), but the entire game is there. GOG does not sell many 1st person games from Kheops, Cryo, and Microids beyond the Atlantis games and Amerzone.

Steam often seems to sell the eviscerated mobile ports, going by user reviews.
Check the user reviews for a particular game to find out for sure. Some people who buy the Steam version have previously played the CD version of the game and know when features are missing. Unfortunately some users never played the original versions and don't know what they're missing, so look over the reviews carefully.

Big Fish has been known to sell eviscerated versions -- as with Nautilus. It's not Big Fish's fault -- it's the fault of the company that supplied them with the game. But Big Fish's version of Safecracker may be a full release, so it varies. Check user reviews.

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#1157772 - 07/24/18 03:32 PM Re: Please help us find a really great Myst-Clone :-) [Re: Jenny100]
Marian Offline
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Jenny, I have Lost Eden for the PC from Cryo, it is first person, and it is not a stripped-down version. Likewise with Dragon Lore.

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#1157773 - 07/24/18 03:35 PM Re: Please help us find a really great Myst-Clone :-) [Re: mike_bn]
oldbroad Offline
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I haven't played Xing yet but just finished replaying Sentinel and very much enjoyed it!

I hope you and your friend have a great time, whichever game you play. I'll be interested in hearing about it.

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#1157775 - 07/24/18 03:59 PM Re: Please help us find a really great Myst-Clone :-) [Re: Marian]
Jenny100 Offline
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Originally Posted By: Marian
Jenny, I have Lost Eden for the PC from Cryo, it is first person, and it is not a stripped-down version. Likewise with Dragon Lore.

Both are DOS games, and last time I checked GOG used DOSBox to run them.
Originally Posted By: Jenny100
Any game that plays in DOSBox will be the full version.
Many GOG games use DOSBox or ScummVM.

It's way easier for GOG to configure game files to run with DOSBox or ScummVM as opposed to remaking the whole game -- especially ScummVM, which replaces the original game exe with its own scummvm.exe and then makes use of the original game files to run the game.

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#1157779 - 07/24/18 04:12 PM Re: Please help us find a really great Myst-Clone :-) [Re: Jenny100]
Marian Offline
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Sorry, Jenny - I wasn't reading carefully enough. You are almost never mistaken about such things. smile

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#1157782 - 07/24/18 04:20 PM Re: Please help us find a really great Myst-Clone :-) [Re: Marian]
Jenny100 Offline
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Originally Posted By: Marian
Sorry, Jenny - I wasn't reading carefully enough. You are almost never mistaken about such things. smile

I'm sure I am sometimes mistaken, and I apologize if I don't always write clearly enough to be understood.

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#1157784 - 07/24/18 05:11 PM Re: Please help us find a really great Myst-Clone :-) [Re: mike_bn]
oldbroad Offline
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Jenny, you write so clearly that even I usually understand what you're writing.

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#1157803 - 07/24/18 10:51 PM Re: Please help us find a really great Myst-Clone :-) [Re: mike_bn]
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This is just my two cents, and you have some wonderful suggestions already. Someone previously mentioned "Scratches." If you have never played it, be sure and find it. It was one of the really creepy/fun games ever. I might also suggest you play it while using earphones. It's a humdinger!
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#1157855 - 07/25/18 12:42 PM Re: Please help us find a really great Myst-Clone :-) [Re: mike_bn]
mike_bn Offline
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Ok, it will be a pleasure to tell you guys how our mega-session was smile
Thanks again for all the recommendations. I wrote every recommendation down,
because in addition to this three-day-marathon,
we meet up 3-4 times a year for one day and also play at the same time every 3-4 weeks,
each at his own place, chatting with skype during playing.
So at some point i will check all your recommendations.


@Jenny - well, what can i say? Thanks again for that long explanation smile
Maybe its because english is not my native language, there are 2-3 things
i don't quit understand:

1) What exactly is the definition of a 'mobile port'? Without your post,
i would have assumed a mobile port is something developed for
a mobile device like a smartphone (iphone, samsung galaxy etc) but this
does not make sense in this context here.

2) When you write 'All 1st person games from Kheops, Cryo, and xxx are stripped
down mobile ports xxx at GOG' you only mean Mac OS versions at GOG, right?
Because later on you write 'GOG seems to sell the original versions of windows game'
so these two statements would contradict each other unless you only meant the MacOS
version in the first sentence.
(i am talking only about GoG, i get that on Steam one has always to be careful
and check a lot of the user reviews to see if a game is an original or not,
no matter whether its Mac or Windows)

§) This might be a stupid question because i have mostly used Steam until now
and GoG only for one single game: How can i tell if a GoG game uses DosBox or ScummVM?
I always thought GoG has its own technology running in the background
to run the games. I was surprised to hear they use DosBox or ScummVM.

Btw, maybe you missed it, because you mention MacOs very often.
I have several Notebooks - one has MacOs and Win10 with Boocamp, another NB
with XP, yet another with Win7 and one with Win98. Si i have
lot of options. The only problem is buying a stripped down version because
of not being aware of it, but i will check carefully before buying from now on



Edited by mike_bn (07/25/18 01:03 PM)

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#1157958 - 07/26/18 09:08 AM Re: Please help us find a really great Myst-Clone :-) [Re: mike_bn]
Murphy Offline
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Registered: 05/15/01
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Loc: Roswell, GA,USA
Didn't see it in other responses, but I'd highly recommend Aporia for your gaming pleasure! Beautiful environments. Good length to game & pretty stable (for me anyway). You accumulate the story line as you go. Only one area where you have to figure out how to avoid a Big Meanie.

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#1157987 - 07/26/18 12:12 PM Re: Please help us find a really great Myst-Clone :-) [Re: Murphy]
mike_bn Offline
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Registered: 10/03/09
Posts: 95
Originally Posted By: Murphy
Didn't see it in other responses, but I'd highly recommend Aporia for your gaming pleasure!


OMG, watched the first 1,5 clips on steam - it looks fantastic. Thanks!


Update: Well, unfortunately the reviews state its more of walking simulator and
the puzzles are few and optional. For us, puzzles are the most important part in
an adventure (in general). It still looks worth playing, we will stick with Sentinel
and Xing, though


Edited by mike_bn (07/26/18 12:15 PM)

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#1158481 - 07/31/18 04:11 PM Re: Please help us find a really great Myst-Clone :-) [Re: mike_bn]
mike_bn Offline
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Registered: 10/03/09
Posts: 95
Hi everyone,

so our mega-session is over, it was great fun.

We started our session Friday night at 11pm and played
Stanley Parable for two hours - just to warm up for the days to come smile
On Saturday we started playing Sentinel - Descendants of Time.
We played the game the whole day until midnight and continued on Sunday.
Jochen had a great run and finished the game on Sunday 1pm,
while I got stuck on 2 locations because i did not pay close attention
and needed almost the whole Sunday to finish it.
Because Jochen finished it earlier, he played The Witness until i was also finished with
Sentinel (Jochen had only played The Witness 1,5 hours before, so he basically started
playing The Witness on Sunday 1pm)
Sunday night, when i had finished Sentinel, Jochen stopped playing The Witness and
we both had a look at Zork, Grand Inquisitor (Jochen stopped The Witness because
we prefer to play the same game simultaneously, even though
each of us plays at his own NB, so we don't play a game on one NB as a team) It looked nice,
but somehow we were not in the mood for such kind of a game, so we switched to Xing.
Xing looked really beautiful, we played it for 2 hours i think and then i went to bed.
On monday morning, our last gaming day, for some reason i got motion sick by playing Xing
(i think i was too tired after two days of gaming so i was more prone to it),
so we stopped playing it. As there was not enough time to start a complete new game
and finish it on the one remaining day (it was 10:30 am or so), we decided as an exception that Jochen would
continue with The Witness and i would play Monkey Island 3, which is basically
the only remaining game of the popular classical point' and click games i never played.
I liked MI 3, but not enough to not resort to a walkthrough when i got stuck
(When i really like a game very much, i almost never use a walkthrough, but with MI 3, i was
not willing to spent several hours of my life figuring out to use object x with object y
by just trying every combination because there is no logical clue what to do)

Jochen was very impressive again and finished The Witness at 1:30am
(on monday he played it 14 hours in a row, with no break except eating, drinking and peeing ;-)
and i finished MI 3 a couple of minutes later.

We had a great time, we liked Sentinel very much, but definitely think its
a level below Schizm 1, Rhem-series and Myst-series. And of course, just as i did,
Jochen liked The Witness very much, we think its a very special game
(i played and solved it a couple of weeks ago alone)

Thanks again for your recommendations!





Edited by mike_bn (07/31/18 04:16 PM)

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