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#1157391 - 07/20/18 08:19 AM Please help us find a really great Myst-Clone :-)
mike_bn Offline
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Hello fellow gamers,

once a year, a very good friend of mine comes for a visit and we play adventures games three days in a row, pretty much the whole day, starting after breakfast until deep into the night. We call it our yearly mega-session ;-)

So in advance, we plan what we are going to play. As we are quite experienced gamers and quite good at puzzle-solving, we usually are able to finish at least one big game and start or solve a shorter one.

Usually the big game is a myst-clone and the other one something else (for example: Quern + Nancy Drew 1).

And here comes our problem: we are not sure whether we found a great myst game to play yet.
And of course we would love to play a highlight.

Our current list of potential candidates are:

- xing, land beyond (first impression is quite good, currently favorite to play, but still not sure)
- roonsehv (too short?)
- haven moon (quite short? too easy?)
- catyph (maybe not because an improved version ‚catyph light‘ was announced)

So my question is: which one of those did you like a best or can you recommend a myst-game that you think is really, really great and is not one of those we already played - see the following list (a few listed are probably not real myst clones)
We already played:

- Myst 1-5
- Rhem I-IV
- Schizm 1-2
- Obsidian
- Obduction
- Quern
- Timelapse
- Shivers 1
- ASA
- Aura 1,2
- The Witness
- Zork: Nemesis
- Lighthouse
- Amerzone
- Isles of Derek
- Reah
- 9: Last Resort
- 7th Guest
- Black Dahlia
- Riddle of the Sphinx
- Morpheus
- Alida
- Shine
- Rama
- Isles of Derek


Other Myst-Games (according to some very interesting forum thread) we know nothing about
And are potential candidates if someone recommends them:

1953: KGB Unleashed
Adam Syndrome
Ages of Ilathid
Aporia: Uncover the Mystery
Aztec
Beyond Atlantis 2
Beyond Worlds
Bioscopia
Biosys
Blackstone Chronicles
Byzantine: the Betrayal
Celopatray: A Queens Destiny
Celtica
Chemicus
Coma: A Mind Adventure
Comer
Crytsal Key 1und 2
Cydonia -- Mars: The First Manned Mission/Lightbringer
Darkstar: Interactive Movie
Darkstart (not Darkstar One)
Death Gate
Destination: Treasure Island
Dream (HyperSloth Games)
Dust: A Tale of the Wired West
Eastern Mind, the lost souls of Tongue Nou
Echo: Secrets of the lost cavern
Egypt 1156 B.C.: Tomb of the Pharaoh
Everybody's Gone to the Rapture
FullPipe
Gadget: Past as Future
Iron Helix
Jerusalem the three roads to the holy land
L-Zone
Laurie Anderson's Puppet Motel
Light of Darkness
Lost in Time
LSDs
Majestic: Alien Encounter, Symbiocom/Syn-Factor, ZeroCritical
Mathica
Messenger
Miasmata
Mission Critical
Mistmare
Montas
Mystery of the Nautlius (Iphone-Version stabiler als PC)

Nostradamus the last prophecy
Opsys
Outcry (Sublustrum)
Pathologic
Physicus
Post Mortem
Prominence
Puppet Motel
Qin: Tomb of the Middle Kingdom
Realms of Illusion
Realms of the Haunting
Reset
Ring: Legend of the Nibelungen
Routine
Salammbo

Sentient (Psygnosis)
Sentinel: Descendants in Time/Realms of Illusion
Shannara
Slip Space: The Burma-Shave Analogy
Starship Titanic
Thanaphobia
The Filmmaker
The Five Cores
The Oracle
The Sacred Mirror of Kofun
Timescape Journey to Pompeii
Titanic: Adventure Out of Time
Total Distortion
Traitor's Gate
Versailles 1685
Ween: The Prophecy
Zelenhgorm

The Cassandra Galleries
Connections: It's a Mind Game
Drowned God
Echo: Secrets of the Lost Cavern
Lunar Deep
Secrets of the Luxor



Edited by mike_bn (07/24/18 01:18 AM)

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#1157404 - 07/20/18 10:52 AM Re: Please help us find a really great Myst-Clone :-) [Re: mike_bn]
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Roon Sehv may not be a long game, but it is well worth playing. There is also a Roon Sehv 2. The game developer is also working on a full game called RealMYHA, but it hasn't been released yet.

Xing is an excellent choice and will keep you busy for quite a while! Doesn't hurt that it's pretty too.
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#1157410 - 07/20/18 12:41 PM Re: Please help us find a really great Myst-Clone :-) [Re: mike_bn]
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In case you haven't played these, give them a try:

Ghost of a Tale (long)
The Pillars of the Earth (fairly long)
The Book of Unwritten Tales (and "2" release)
New & Tasty! Oddworld: Abe's Oddysee (long)

and "Gorogoa" if you like puzzle games this is a very good one.

All the ones I mentioned are on GOG.

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#1157432 - 07/20/18 02:39 PM Re: Please help us find a really great Myst-Clone :-) [Re: mike_bn]
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My vote would be Sentinel: Descendants in Time but you need the disc and a computer running Windows XP.

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#1157434 - 07/20/18 02:46 PM Re: Please help us find a really great Myst-Clone :-) [Re: mike_bn]
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Originally Posted By: mike_bn
- xing, land beyond (first impression is quite good, currently favorite to play, but still not sure)
- roonsehv (too short?)
- haven moon (quite short? too easy?)
- catyph (maybe not because an improved version ‚ catyph light‘ was announced)

Check the description of the "Light" version of Catyph by the developer
https://adventuregamers.com/forums/viewthread/10772
It's up to you whether you think everything listed is an improvement.
The link to the demo on that webpage still seems to work.

"Myst-like" seems to mean different things to different people.
Some think "anything 1st person"
Some think "anything with puzzles of any sort"
So I don't really know what you're looking for except by the games you've listed as played.

Do you have access to an old computer with Windows 95 or 98?
Some games, like Cydonia/Lightbringer or Connections, would be hard to get running properly (without excessive crashes, freezes, etc.) on a modern computer.

You don't mention Barrow Hill, Barrow Hill: The Dark Path, Dark Fall: The Journal, Dark Fall: Lights Out, or Scratches. These are 1st person point-and-click adventure games. Are you trying to avoid "horror" games? I didn't like Dark Fall: Lost Souls because it was too over-the-top (throbbing pink intestines in the sink), but I thought the previous Dark Fall games were good.

If you liked Schizm 2 you'll probably like Sentinel: Descendents in Time (aka Realms of Illusion). Don't buy both Realms of Illusion and Sentinel thinking they are different games -- it's Dreamcatcher up to their old reselling-the-same-game-under-a-different-name tricks.

Lightbringer had a DVD version. The CD version and DVD version both had patches, but the patches were different. Both patches seem to be available in the patches-scrolls archive ***here***
However I don't think this game will work well unless you have an older computer. The patches are from the days of Windows 95/98 when the game was released.

You don't mention Shivers 2. Playing Shivers 2 immediately after playing Shivers 1 (19 years ago) made Shivers 2 look bad. But replaying Shivers 2 more recently I liked it much more because I was comparing it to recent games instead of to Shivers 1.

Shannara, Death Gate, and Mission Critical are by Legend Entertainment and would work in DOSBox. They are good games, though not much like Myst IMO. I think of Myst as having mechanical puzzles that often have to be solved by experimenting, limited character interaction or none at all, exploration of the environment important for puzzle solving, point-and-click, and of course 1st person and you play as an ***AFGNCAAP*** ("Ageless, Faceless, Gender-Neutral, Culturally Ambiguous Adventure Person"). The puzzles in Shannara, Death Gate, and Mission Critical don't fit that description. Speaking of which, is there a reason Zork: Grand Inquisitor is not on your list?

And in case you weren't aware, with many 1st person games from companies like Cryo, Kheops, or Microids, there are "updated" versions that have removed most of the puzzles and also removed interactive hotspots and nodes where you can move to. If something in the old version was causing an issue in Mac OSX or mobile, they didn't fix it -- they chopped it out. So you end up with many of the best parts of the game being removed. They also thought it was perfectly all right to substitute 8 or 9 low resolution screens with 3 high resolution screens, limiting where you could go and what you could look at. Last time I downloaded the Windows version of Beyond Atlantis from GOG, it was the full original version and worked in Windows 7 and 8.1 after tweaking. However the Mac OSX version at GOG was the eviscerated version that had removed most of the puzzles and other interactive bits. I've read that the Windows version that Steam sells is the eviscerated version. You have to be very careful what version you buy if it's "updated", especialy if it's a 1st person game originally from Cryo, Kheops, or Microids Canada. For some reason the company that bought out Microids IP and is now known as Microids treated their 3rd person games much better than their 1st person games. An "updated" Syberia will be the full game while an "updated" Road to India will be about 1/3 of the original.

Anyway, assuming you have an old computer available in case the games don't run acceptably on a new one, here are some of the games I remember enjoying (mostly from your 2nd list):
  • Atlantis 3/Beyond Atlantis 2 (non-expurgated version)
  • Atlantis 2/Beyond Atlantis (non-expurgated version)
  • Byzantine: The Betrayal (might need old Win95/98 computer)
  • Cydonia/Lightbringer (might need old Win95/98 computer)
  • Celtica (might need old Win 95/98 computer) -- though I got Celtica working in a Virtual Machine, I never got it where it wouldn't crash repeatedly at a certain point in the game, making it impossible to proceed without a save from an older computer
  • Death Gate
  • Echo: Secrets of the Lost Cavern
  • Jerusalem
  • Pompeii/Timescape (if you plan to play Jerusalem)
  • Lost in Time
  • Mission Critical
  • Outcry
  • Sentinel:Descendants in Time/Realms of Illusion
  • Ring ("stiff" gameplay but interesting design)
  • Shannara
  • Connections
  • Drowned God (if you want something bizarre and unique)
  • Versailles 1685 (if you like historical games)
  • Physicus (if you enjoy edutainment with an in-game encyclopedia)
  • Bioscopia (if you enjoy edutainment with an in-game encyclopedia)
  • Chemicus (if you enjoy edutainment with an in-game encyclopedia)
  • Journeyman Project: Pegasus Prime
  • Journeyman Project 2: Buried in Time
  • Journeyman Project 3: Legacy of Time
  • Faust: 7 Games of the Soul

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#1157436 - 07/20/18 02:54 PM Re: Please help us find a really great Myst-Clone :-) [Re: Jenny100]
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Some really good recommendations there, Jenny100 !! thumbsup
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#1157437 - 07/20/18 03:01 PM Re: Please help us find a really great Myst-Clone :-) [Re: mike_bn]
mike_bn Offline
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Thank you so much to everyone who responded so far smile
I will definitely read every post again once my headaches and sore throat are gone.

A special thank you to Jenny - that was a long post with lots
of valuable information. Will read that one again and respond then in detail.

For now, just one thing: To be able to play almost every adventure game,
i own several NB's from basically each 'Windows Age', so i have the OS Mac, Win10, Win7,
Winxp and even Win98 available. And of course Dosbox. So i think there
are not many games i won't be able to play. The only problem could
be old Dos-Games where i am not able to configure DosBox properly.

So i don't mind how old a game is you recommend to me. Age doesn't matter.
There are brilliant old games, just like there are great modern games.

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#1157439 - 07/20/18 03:22 PM Re: Please help us find a really great Myst-Clone :-) [Re: mike_bn]
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I surely can recommend Xing, The Land Beyond. It looks great and has increasing difficult puzzles, it is a long game.
The House of Da Vinci is also a very good game with lots of puzzles.
The Room I and II, that are pure puzzle games

You have played Myst I - V but have you played URU, ages beyond Myst, complete chronicles?

The Eyes of Ara is very good game, long game.
RoonSehv and Haven Moon are very good games, not very long games but very good.

I have played Catyph, the original game and I found it a very good game. I played it on Steam maybe they have the original game, not the light version.

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#1157453 - 07/20/18 07:49 PM Re: Please help us find a really great Myst-Clone :-) [Re: mike_bn]
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Most likely, since your a Myst fan, you've probably just missed to list URU among your played games. But if you haven't played it, that's the one to go with.

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#1157463 - 07/20/18 10:22 PM Re: Please help us find a really great Myst-Clone :-) [Re: mike_bn]
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You may be interested in Odyssey: The Story of Science which was an under the radar Myst clone that I liked very much. Released just over a year ago. https://store.steampowered.com/app/558110/Odyssey__The_Story_of_Science/
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#1157520 - 07/21/18 05:04 PM Re: Please help us find a really great Myst-Clone :-) [Re: mike_bn]
mike_bn Offline
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I am still sick, so this post won't be long, but i wanted to at least say
thank you again for everybody who responded.


We will most likely try xing, but i will note every recommendation we
got, there were a few i did not now at all (Odyssey, Eyes of Ara..)
and Jennys list was also cool.

So, thanks again.

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#1157522 - 07/21/18 05:15 PM Re: Please help us find a really great Myst-Clone :-) [Re: mike_bn]
mike_bn Offline
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One more thing, probably Jenny or someone else knows:

I watched a clip from Sentinel, and it reminded me very much of Schizm.
With Schizm, there was a big difference between the CD and DVD version.
So my first question is: does the same apply for Sentinel? I can only find
the cd version on ebay - can i buy it or is there a better DVD version?

Second question is whether Sentinel and Realms are 100% identical?
The worst thing would be if one had less puzzles or easier versions of the puzzles than
the other. Which one would you buy?



Edited by mike_bn (07/21/18 05:16 PM)

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#1157523 - 07/21/18 05:33 PM Re: Please help us find a really great Myst-Clone :-) [Re: mike_bn]
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Originally Posted By: mike_bn
One more thing, probably Jenny or someone else knows:

I watched a clip from Sentinel, and it reminded me very much of Schizm.
With Schizm, there was a big difference between the CD and DVD version.
So my first question is: does the same apply for Sentinel? I can only find
the cd version on ebay - can i buy it or is there a better DVD version?

There is no DVD version of Schizm 2 or Sentinel.
Schizm 2 and Sentinel were 3D games, which at the time of release took up a lot less disc space.
The first Schizm was prerendered, and the CD version used smaller, lower resolution graphics than the DVD version.

Originally Posted By: mike_bn
Second question is whether Sentinel and Realms are 100% identical?

Exactly the same except for the name and the different box.
Possibly they changed the name of the installation folder but the game itself is the same.

Quote:
The worst thing would be if one had less puzzles or easier versions of the puzzles than
the other. Which one would you buy?

Which game box do you think is prettier?

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#1157540 - 07/21/18 09:48 PM Re: Please help us find a really great Myst-Clone :-) [Re: Jenny100]
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Jenny, thanks for that clear reminder about some of our old favorites possibly not running well on newer machines, or being tampered with so that they will run but the game is diminished. I'm sad to hear that. I'm nostalgic for all the old games on the lists posted above in this thread. Played most of them and loved every experience! But the buyer has to remain wary and verify a few things before going back there.

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#1157728 - 07/24/18 02:10 AM Re: Please help us find a really great Myst-Clone :-) [Re: mike_bn]
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@Jenny: I took a closer look at your list and marked those games you recommended in my list - thanks.
Not in my list were only Faust and Ring, if i did not miss anything.
Could you please give me a link to the game 'Ring'?
I am not sure which game you mean.

Barrow Hill, Barrow Hill: The Dark Path, Dark Fall: The Journal, Dark Fall: Lights Out, or Scratches
-> we played all of them except for Barrow Hill 2. Its on our list, though.
I did not list them because i cannot list all games we played and they don't feel like
myst-clones to me. They were good games we enjoyed, though.

Thanks a again for the information about the diminished re-releases. That was very valuable information!!!

I just bought Sentinel and we will either play Xing or Sentinel during our Mega-Session
as the long game. After we finished one of these, we will start playing Antichamber
(probably not a classical myst-clone, not sure about that yet),
which looks really interesting (i played it for 10 minutes and it felt really special).
Also we will take a look into Stanley Parable (not a myst-clone).

And yes, i don't think its possible to give an exact defintion of a Myst-Like game
everybody would agree with. We divided games in
the following sub-genres:

Myst-Clone (Schizm, Rhem, Aura)
Story-Driven (Lost Crown, Longest Journey, Dreamfall, LIS, we also put Dark Fall here, and yes thats arguable)
Point-Click (Manica Mansion, Feeble Files, Monkey Island, Book of Unwritten Tales)
Puzzle (Stephens Sausage Roll, Safe Cracker, 7ths guest)
Hybrid (everything else which has at least some kind of adventure or puzzle vibe,
of the games we played we only have Portal in that list. Portal was actually the reason
for this new category, because we could not put it in one of the other categories, it did not fit in any)


Thanks again to everybody for your help!

Friday 23:00=11pm (german time) until Monday deep into the night we will be playing
pretty much all the time - If you are interested, i will post how it was after that ;-)



Edit: Lol, i wrote 'Book of Unwritten Tails' at first ;-)








Edited by mike_bn (07/24/18 02:26 AM)

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#1157738 - 07/24/18 08:58 AM Re: Please help us find a really great Myst-Clone :-) [Re: mike_bn]
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@Jenny (or anyone who knows):

Could you please help me one more time?
Of the games i listed, especially the ones you recommended,
could you tell me which are the ones
that also exist as a diminished/changed version?
You mentioned Beyond Atlantis, but are there other ones that
you can think of from the top of your head?

Btw, you asked about Zork: Grand Inquisitor. We already
bought it, i forgot to list it as one of the potential candidates.
Now that we decided to play Xing or Sentinel, we will play Zork
later sometime. I bought it on GoG for Windows, hope its a full version wink



Edited by mike_bn (07/24/18 09:00 AM)

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#1157761 - 07/24/18 11:55 AM Re: Please help us find a really great Myst-Clone :-) [Re: mike_bn]
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I'm interested!
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#1157765 - 07/24/18 12:29 PM Re: Please help us find a really great Myst-Clone :-) [Re: Draclvr]
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The Atlantis games on GOG for the PC are the full versions, as well as Zork: Grand Inquisitor.


Edited by Marian (07/24/18 03:30 PM)
Edit Reason: edited for accuracy

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#1157771 - 07/24/18 03:19 PM Re: Please help us find a really great Myst-Clone :-) [Re: mike_bn]
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The Windows versions of the Beyond Atlantis games on GOG are the full versions.

The Mac OS X versions of the Beyond Atlantis games on GOG are stripped down mobile ports.

All 1st person games from Kheops, Cryo, and Microids published by GOG and elsewhere are stripped down mobile ports. I have played (or started playing) nearly all Mac OS X versions of 1st person games from Kheops, Cryo, and Microids offered at GOG, and without exception they have been the eviscerated mobile ports. That includes Amerzone, the Egypt games, etc.

If you have Mac OS X, download the Windows version and play it in a Virtual Machine with Windows installed inside the VM -- or in Boot Camp.

The CD version of Atlantis 2/Beyond Atlantis that was for Mac OS 8.6-9.1 (and published by Dreamcatcher in 2001) is a full version, but unless you have an old PowerMac capable of running Mac OS 8.6-9.1 I wouldn't recommend this version.

Any game from GOG that uses ScummVM will be the full version.
https://www.scummvm.org/compatibility/2.0.0/
That includes Myst, Riven, the Zork games, Pegasus Prime, Shivers, etc.

Any game that plays in DOSBox will be the full version.
Many GOG games use DOSBox or ScummVM.

Originally Posted By: mike_bn
could you tell me which are the ones
that also exist as a diminished/changed version?

Here is a list of games developed by Kheops Studio
http://www.mobygames.com/company/kheops-studio
All games listed there with the exception of the two earliest ones (Egypt II and Crystal Key II) have mobile ports. Some are worse than others and some download websites may offer the original versions.

GOG seems to sell the original versions of Windows games. They may have tweaked them slightly (they certainly had to remove disc checks), but the entire game is there. GOG does not sell many 1st person games from Kheops, Cryo, and Microids beyond the Atlantis games and Amerzone.

Steam often seems to sell the eviscerated mobile ports, going by user reviews.
Check the user reviews for a particular game to find out for sure. Some people who buy the Steam version have previously played the CD version of the game and know when features are missing. Unfortunately some users never played the original versions and don't know what they're missing, so look over the reviews carefully.

Big Fish has been known to sell eviscerated versions -- as with Nautilus. It's not Big Fish's fault -- it's the fault of the company that supplied them with the game. But Big Fish's version of Safecracker may be a full release, so it varies. Check user reviews.

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#1157772 - 07/24/18 03:32 PM Re: Please help us find a really great Myst-Clone :-) [Re: Jenny100]
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Jenny, I have Lost Eden for the PC from Cryo, it is first person, and it is not a stripped-down version. Likewise with Dragon Lore.

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#1157773 - 07/24/18 03:35 PM Re: Please help us find a really great Myst-Clone :-) [Re: mike_bn]
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I haven't played Xing yet but just finished replaying Sentinel and very much enjoyed it!

I hope you and your friend have a great time, whichever game you play. I'll be interested in hearing about it.

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#1157775 - 07/24/18 03:59 PM Re: Please help us find a really great Myst-Clone :-) [Re: Marian]
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Originally Posted By: Marian
Jenny, I have Lost Eden for the PC from Cryo, it is first person, and it is not a stripped-down version. Likewise with Dragon Lore.

Both are DOS games, and last time I checked GOG used DOSBox to run them.
Originally Posted By: Jenny100
Any game that plays in DOSBox will be the full version.
Many GOG games use DOSBox or ScummVM.

It's way easier for GOG to configure game files to run with DOSBox or ScummVM as opposed to remaking the whole game -- especially ScummVM, which replaces the original game exe with its own scummvm.exe and then makes use of the original game files to run the game.

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#1157779 - 07/24/18 04:12 PM Re: Please help us find a really great Myst-Clone :-) [Re: Jenny100]
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Sorry, Jenny - I wasn't reading carefully enough. You are almost never mistaken about such things. smile

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#1157782 - 07/24/18 04:20 PM Re: Please help us find a really great Myst-Clone :-) [Re: Marian]
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Originally Posted By: Marian
Sorry, Jenny - I wasn't reading carefully enough. You are almost never mistaken about such things. smile

I'm sure I am sometimes mistaken, and I apologize if I don't always write clearly enough to be understood.

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#1157784 - 07/24/18 05:11 PM Re: Please help us find a really great Myst-Clone :-) [Re: mike_bn]
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Jenny, you write so clearly that even I usually understand what you're writing.

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#1157803 - 07/24/18 10:51 PM Re: Please help us find a really great Myst-Clone :-) [Re: mike_bn]
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This is just my two cents, and you have some wonderful suggestions already. Someone previously mentioned "Scratches." If you have never played it, be sure and find it. It was one of the really creepy/fun games ever. I might also suggest you play it while using earphones. It's a humdinger!
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#1157855 - 07/25/18 12:42 PM Re: Please help us find a really great Myst-Clone :-) [Re: mike_bn]
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Ok, it will be a pleasure to tell you guys how our mega-session was smile
Thanks again for all the recommendations. I wrote every recommendation down,
because in addition to this three-day-marathon,
we meet up 3-4 times a year for one day and also play at the same time every 3-4 weeks,
each at his own place, chatting with skype during playing.
So at some point i will check all your recommendations.


@Jenny - well, what can i say? Thanks again for that long explanation smile
Maybe its because english is not my native language, there are 2-3 things
i don't quit understand:

1) What exactly is the definition of a 'mobile port'? Without your post,
i would have assumed a mobile port is something developed for
a mobile device like a smartphone (iphone, samsung galaxy etc) but this
does not make sense in this context here.

2) When you write 'All 1st person games from Kheops, Cryo, and xxx are stripped
down mobile ports xxx at GOG' you only mean Mac OS versions at GOG, right?
Because later on you write 'GOG seems to sell the original versions of windows game'
so these two statements would contradict each other unless you only meant the MacOS
version in the first sentence.
(i am talking only about GoG, i get that on Steam one has always to be careful
and check a lot of the user reviews to see if a game is an original or not,
no matter whether its Mac or Windows)

§) This might be a stupid question because i have mostly used Steam until now
and GoG only for one single game: How can i tell if a GoG game uses DosBox or ScummVM?
I always thought GoG has its own technology running in the background
to run the games. I was surprised to hear they use DosBox or ScummVM.

Btw, maybe you missed it, because you mention MacOs very often.
I have several Notebooks - one has MacOs and Win10 with Boocamp, another NB
with XP, yet another with Win7 and one with Win98. Si i have
lot of options. The only problem is buying a stripped down version because
of not being aware of it, but i will check carefully before buying from now on



Edited by mike_bn (07/25/18 01:03 PM)

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#1157958 - 07/26/18 09:08 AM Re: Please help us find a really great Myst-Clone :-) [Re: mike_bn]
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Didn't see it in other responses, but I'd highly recommend Aporia for your gaming pleasure! Beautiful environments. Good length to game & pretty stable (for me anyway). You accumulate the story line as you go. Only one area where you have to figure out how to avoid a Big Meanie.

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#1157987 - 07/26/18 12:12 PM Re: Please help us find a really great Myst-Clone :-) [Re: Murphy]
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Originally Posted By: Murphy
Didn't see it in other responses, but I'd highly recommend Aporia for your gaming pleasure!


OMG, watched the first 1,5 clips on steam - it looks fantastic. Thanks!


Update: Well, unfortunately the reviews state its more of walking simulator and
the puzzles are few and optional. For us, puzzles are the most important part in
an adventure (in general). It still looks worth playing, we will stick with Sentinel
and Xing, though


Edited by mike_bn (07/26/18 12:15 PM)

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#1158481 - 07/31/18 04:11 PM Re: Please help us find a really great Myst-Clone :-) [Re: mike_bn]
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Hi everyone,

so our mega-session is over, it was great fun.

We started our session Friday night at 11pm and played
Stanley Parable for two hours - just to warm up for the days to come smile
On Saturday we started playing Sentinel - Descendants of Time.
We played the game the whole day until midnight and continued on Sunday.
Jochen had a great run and finished the game on Sunday 1pm,
while I got stuck on 2 locations because i did not pay close attention
and needed almost the whole Sunday to finish it.
Because Jochen finished it earlier, he played The Witness until i was also finished with
Sentinel (Jochen had only played The Witness 1,5 hours before, so he basically started
playing The Witness on Sunday 1pm)
Sunday night, when i had finished Sentinel, Jochen stopped playing The Witness and
we both had a look at Zork, Grand Inquisitor (Jochen stopped The Witness because
we prefer to play the same game simultaneously, even though
each of us plays at his own NB, so we don't play a game on one NB as a team) It looked nice,
but somehow we were not in the mood for such kind of a game, so we switched to Xing.
Xing looked really beautiful, we played it for 2 hours i think and then i went to bed.
On monday morning, our last gaming day, for some reason i got motion sick by playing Xing
(i think i was too tired after two days of gaming so i was more prone to it),
so we stopped playing it. As there was not enough time to start a complete new game
and finish it on the one remaining day (it was 10:30 am or so), we decided as an exception that Jochen would
continue with The Witness and i would play Monkey Island 3, which is basically
the only remaining game of the popular classical point' and click games i never played.
I liked MI 3, but not enough to not resort to a walkthrough when i got stuck
(When i really like a game very much, i almost never use a walkthrough, but with MI 3, i was
not willing to spent several hours of my life figuring out to use object x with object y
by just trying every combination because there is no logical clue what to do)

Jochen was very impressive again and finished The Witness at 1:30am
(on monday he played it 14 hours in a row, with no break except eating, drinking and peeing ;-)
and i finished MI 3 a couple of minutes later.

We had a great time, we liked Sentinel very much, but definitely think its
a level below Schizm 1, Rhem-series and Myst-series. And of course, just as i did,
Jochen liked The Witness very much, we think its a very special game
(i played and solved it a couple of weeks ago alone)

Thanks again for your recommendations!





Edited by mike_bn (07/31/18 04:16 PM)

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#1158489 - 07/31/18 05:23 PM Re: Please help us find a really great Myst-Clone :-) [Re: mike_bn]
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Originally Posted By: mike_bn
we prefer to play the same game simultaneously, even though each of us plays at his own NB, so we don't play a game on one NB as a team)

What does NB stand for?
Obviously it's not "nota bene" which is the usual definition.

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#1158493 - 07/31/18 06:33 PM Re: Please help us find a really great Myst-Clone :-) [Re: mike_bn]
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Jenny - I'm thinking notebook? He mentioned having several.

mike-bn - Thanks for letting us know how it went. I played the Myst series but haven't yet played Schizm or Rhem to make any comparisons with Sentinel. I can't even compare it to Myst in the way you are, saying it is a level below. It's been a long time since I played Myst. I'm sure Myst was harder and more involved, if that's what you mean by a level below.

Will you be going back to Xing at some point? I get motion sickness too. Even in Sentinel, it took a while to get used to moving and then I still had to move more slowly when going back and forth too much.

A shorter game that was listed in your original post is Lunar Deep. (In case you want to note that for future reference.)

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#1158637 - 08/02/18 01:06 AM Re: Please help us find a really great Myst-Clone :-) [Re: mike_bn]
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@Jenny: Yes, oldbroad is right, i meant 'notebook'. Here in germany we shorten it by NB,
i was not aware that this is not a common way to do in english

@oldbroad:
1)We will definitley go back to Xing. Actually, its probably the next game
we will play. Most of the time, I can avoid motion sickness by playing with an external
keyboard and putting the NB-screen more far away than usual, so i think i will have no problems.
When Jochen was here, there was no place for that (we sat at the same desk), so i switched as described to MI 3.
After playing Sentinel two days in a row for over 20 hours, i wasn't able to concentrate
100% anymore anyway, so i think it was even better to not play another Myst-Clone.

Xing looks nice, we played till the end of level 1 and if the puzzles get harder,
it could be a really good game.

2) About Sentinel beeing a level below the myst series and rhem:
In my opinion, Sentinel has 3 major weaknesses.

a) A lot of puzzles were too easy. Especially the puzzles in two worlds
were neither difficult, nor creative.

b) the puzzles were not embeeded in the environment at all, they had no purpose

c) the game was too linear (excpet for the order of the worlds), which reduces complexity and diminishes the
feeling of really exploring the world. Its just more or less
a sequence of puzzles.


But again, we still liked it, we would rate it around 'B'


Aside from Xing, we will definitely take a look at the other games you guys recommended
at some point. I googled some of them and a lot of them seemed very interesting to me.



Edited by mike_bn (08/02/18 01:18 AM)

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#1158663 - 08/02/18 10:03 AM Re: Please help us find a really great Myst-Clone :-) [Re: mike_bn]
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Oh, the puzzles definitely get harder in Xing! Sounds like you are having fun...
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#1158711 - 08/02/18 04:50 PM Re: Please help us find a really great Myst-Clone :-) [Re: mike_bn]
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Thanks for explaining about Sentinel vs Myst & Rhem.

I think those were some of the things I liked about Sentinel lol

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#1158742 - 08/03/18 04:09 AM Re: Please help us find a really great Myst-Clone :-) [Re: mike_bn]
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Right now, as Jochen has also completed The Witness, we are pondering
whether we should try to 100% the game.

Small spoiler warning about The Witness - stop reading here smile

We are not sure if it is too tedious to find all +135 environment puzzles.
I completed the game with only +10 or so and the task of finding
all +135 sounds more like work than having fun.

Maybe we will only try to turn on all lasers.
Is it correct that one can play The Challenge when all 11 lasers are turned on?
Or is it required to have all +135?


In any way, after The Witness, Xing will most likely be the next game we will play.


As i have given up hope on The Last Crown ever to be released, the only game
who could change this order is Rhem V - but as Knut is working on the SE-versions,
that will take a while, i guess.





Edited by mike_bn (08/03/18 04:20 AM)

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#1158791 - 08/03/18 01:47 PM Re: Please help us find a really great Myst-Clone :-) [Re: mike_bn]
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In case you haven't looked at "Ghost of a Tale" there is a preview here. I usually don't play a game like this but I was intrigued by the graphics and story line so I gave it a try. You should know, it is a game where the character can die (I don't know if that matters to you or not.) It is quite long - in my opinion.

The other game I mentioned to you previously was "Gorogoa" which is an unusual puzzle game. If you haven't already, you may want to take a look at the preview here.

Both of these games are on GOG.

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#1159216 - 08/06/18 05:16 PM Re: Please help us find a really great Myst-Clone :-) [Re: mike_bn]
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Thanks, rmelone.

The game you recommend looks nice, but it seems to be more of a RPG than an
adventure to me. When i was a student i used to play RPG as well
(i LOVED Ultima and played all of them except for the last one) but now
as an adult with a job, i dont have time to play both genres and only play adventures.

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#1159317 - 08/07/18 03:33 PM Re: Please help us find a really great Myst-Clone :-) [Re: mike_bn]
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You're right, Ghost of a Tale is kind of a mix between an adventure and RPG.

I don't know if you like puzzle type games but Gorogoa is one of the best I've ever seen.

Good luck with your games.

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#1159550 - 08/09/18 02:24 PM Re: Please help us find a really great Myst-Clone :-) [Re: mike_bn]
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I put Gorogoa on my steam wishlist - thanks, rmelone :-)

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