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#116874 - 02/02/05 04:06 PM Is it adventure or action/adventure
Jenny100 Offline
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At what point does an adventure game become an action/adventure game for you?

Give examples of games that fall on both sides of your boundary line.

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#116875 - 02/02/05 04:16 PM Re: Is it adventure or action/adventure
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Ooooh. Good question. This one will take some thought.

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#116876 - 02/02/05 04:18 PM Re: Is it adventure or action/adventure
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Timed puzzles! I'm a purist!!!!

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#116877 - 02/02/05 04:39 PM Re: Is it adventure or action/adventure
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Examples?
Are you saying Myst is an action/adventure because of the Channelwood elevator?
What about the Gabriel Knight games? All had timed sequences. Are they all action/adventures then?

This is the kind of thing I'm getting at.
Where do you draw the line?

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#116878 - 02/02/05 05:45 PM Re: Is it adventure or action/adventure
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The Harry Potter games and Arabian Nights are action/adventure in my book. I play them and often wish I could get further than I do, but I'm a real geek when it comes to combat and quite frankly I stink at it.

Timed sequences are usually annoying to me and usually I don't see the point of them in most adventure games but if there's only a few I guess they are still (loosely) adventure.

Where to draw the line? Well, I wish there were none in an adventure game at all, but I am starting lately to read the reviews looking for action/timed sequences and not rushing out to buy games that contain more than a couple of them.

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#116879 - 02/02/05 06:29 PM Re: Is it adventure or action/adventure
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The way I class a game to be action/adventure is any game where I have to fight using more than one click of the mouse, to defeat my enemy, and have to fight most of the way through it. frown

I'm not explaining this very well am I? My examples are, I think the King's Quest series were adventures, up until King's Quest 8, which I would definitley call an action/adventure. smile

I would class the Blair Witch games as action/adventure too, even though I quite enjoyed them. smile

But I would class Gabriel Knight games as adventure smile

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#116880 - 02/02/05 06:36 PM Re: Is it adventure or action/adventure
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If I have to shoot something or avoid getting shot, or have to jump, run, etc then I don't buy that game.
Timed puzzles may not be "action" in my book, but I avoid them too.
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#116881 - 02/02/05 06:37 PM Re: Is it adventure or action/adventure
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Many games I've played had a small amount of action in them, but I would still consider them adventures. The action parts stick out like a sore thumb because I find action generally difficult and frustrating. Here's some that come to mind:
Gabriel Knight games : Having a timed action ending was stressful, and didn't seem to fit with the rest of the game. The absolute worst sequence for me was the pendulum in GK3. I spent the better part of 2 hours on that one sequence.
Tex Murphy games : Each of the ones I've played had stealth/action in them. Probably any more and I would have called them action/adventure.
Traitor's Gate : Here's another one that was borderline for me.
The Watchmaker and The Ward : Both of those had action end sequences that necessitated getting a saved game for me to finish.
Uru Chronicles: this is a true action/adventure in my book. It took me about a year to finish this. The action bits would get me so frustrated, that I would have to let the game go for a while. The only reason I persisted
was that I loved the environments (and the fact that it was a Myst game laugh )

Action in adventure games is a very hot topic right now in some of the other gaming forums.
The problem I have with action is that it always relies on your reflexes. Many times you know what has to be done. For example in Uru, you need to jump to a rock. If you can't get the timing right, you fail. No walkthrough can help you with that task.
The other aspect of action is that it often accompanies 3D games. I guess they figure if they give you this huge environment to explore, jumping and moving things would be interesting challenges.
Lastly Action and 3D usually means keyboard control. I prefer to play point and click games.

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#116882 - 02/02/05 08:02 PM Re: Is it adventure or action/adventure
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Well, good question Jenyy100!
Personally, I feel that timed actions, as in: if you don't sneak out quick enough, or you don't move to the right spot quick enough, and it goes without saying any...any....defeating a bad guy scene...is action! I didn't consider the getting key from the track, in The Longest Journey an action thing...that was logical! So I would say, as far as timed goes...if it defeats you, in timing, it's action!
And that's my 2 cents worth! lol

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#116883 - 02/02/05 09:34 PM Re: Is it adventure or action/adventure
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I agree with the other opinions so far. I find it extremely frustrating and don't finish a lot of great games when I get stuck because of a timed action sequence.

GK1, Tex Murphy UAKM, Shivers 2 and a lot of other games are sitting unfinished on my computer until I finally beat them right now.

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#116884 - 02/02/05 09:42 PM Re: Is it adventure or action/adventure
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Melanie, you leave the games unfinished in your computer? I could never do that. If I can't finish it then out it goes. More games then I like to admit were uninstalled because of my inability to get through a scene.
If I truly love the game I'll ask for a save game but not too often. I am not quick enough for action games thats for sure. Many adventure games have action in them now so I'm waiting till I read reviews or get some opinions here. wave
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#116885 - 02/02/05 10:08 PM Re: Is it adventure or action/adventure
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Hi, Jenny!

I'd say KQ8 and the Alone in the Dark series would be considered action/adventure games because there was combat from start to finish. There were a few action sequences in the Tex Murphy and Gabriel Knight series, but 99% of the games were adventure.

Susan

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#116886 - 02/02/05 11:44 PM Re: Is it adventure or action/adventure
Melanie1 Offline
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I do leave them, Doreen. smile I go back to them periodically to try again. If I really get frustrated I ask for a save game but since I can never wait for one to arrive and have so many unplayed games waiting that I can't wait to get into, I start new ones in between.

The only times I remove a game is when it has too much action to bother with getting saves constantly and that's the only way I can get through it, I don't like the game, or I'm doing my cleanup routine before installing something really huge and my hard drive is less than 40% empty.

Melanie

Edit: Or if I finished the game and won't be replaying for a while. smile
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#116887 - 02/03/05 01:53 AM Re: Is it adventure or action/adventure
tigger Offline
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maybe we should reclassify action into 2 parts, true action ie shooting, fighting etc and skill action ie jumping etc!!

I have the same problem with URU, just can't get into the rhythm of jumping at a specific time and in a particular way... The Atlantis games have fights where you can get killed...
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#116888 - 02/03/05 02:45 AM Re: Is it adventure or action/adventure
Becky Offline
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It's an action-adventure if I can only get through it in god mode. (Star Trek: Hidden Evil)

It's action-adventure if the movement challenges are consistently more difficult than the puzzle challenges. (The Harry Potter games)

It's action-adventure if there are level end-bosses that require repeated "hits" to defeat. (Rayman: The Great Escape)

It's action-adventure if there are frequent episodes of player-controlled combat. (Star Wars Episode 1: The Phantom Menace)

It's NOT an action adventure solely because there are timed puzzles or a handful of physical or stealth challenges. I think Broken Sword 3, Ring II, and Uru, for instance, are adventure games.

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