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#117266 - 07/13/03 02:31 PM Twisty List Results
Space Quest Fan Offline
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Was anyone surpised by the outcome of the list? I loved the top two games and I was really impressed that Gabriel Knight 2 hung in there for being such an older game. It is interesting that both the first person and third person games rated highly. Thanks again to flotsam for all the time to put the list together. thumbsup
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#117267 - 07/13/03 11:16 PM Re: Twisty List Results
Becky Offline
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Registered: 02/16/00
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Loc: Stony Brook, New York, USA
I think the twisty list is fascinating. There are a few games whose ranking is stable and near the top every year on the list. You can see this if you compare the twisty list results from past years. http://www.gameboomers.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=forum&f=15&submit=Go


Not a surprise in 2003:

The Longest Journey (#1 in 2003) ranked #1 in 2002 and #2 in 2001. Only game to make #1 on the Twisty List for two years running.

Gabriel Knight 2 (#4 in 2003) ranked #2 in 2002 and #1 in 2001.

Myst (#6 in 2003) ranked #4 in 2002 and tied for #3 in 2001.


Surprises:

Discworld Noir. It hasn't made the top 20 on the Twisty List before. It rose from #50 in 2001 to a tie for #18 in 2003. It's an older game -- why is it surfacing now?

Dark Fall. It's amazing that enough Boomers purchased this game for it to be such a presence, when it wasn't available last year for purchase in any retail outlet -- either online or in stores. I think this even trumps Syberia's accomplishment.


Movement Down On the List:

Timelapse. Ranked #3 in 2000, #6 in 2001, tied for #14 in 2002, tied for #20 in 2003.

Shivers. Ranked #9 in 2000, #5 in 2001, #12 in 2002, tied for #28 in 2003.

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#117268 - 07/13/03 11:53 PM Re: Twisty List Results
Becky Offline
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Is Grim Fandango the only game with keyboard controls to make the top 20 on the Twisty List this year?

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#117269 - 07/14/03 01:54 AM Re: Twisty List Results
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Some nice analysis becky smile
Its interesting to speculate why games move up and down. Perhaps Discworld Noir has simply been played now by more people.
And yes, as far as I know GF is the only keyboard controlled game in the top 20.

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#117270 - 07/14/03 07:23 AM Re: Twisty List Results
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I am still annoyed with myself for not giving Flotsam my choices. By the time I had made up my mind it was too late. Thanks very much for all the effort you put into this - a lot of people will be buying more games as a result of this list.

I am sure at one time our messages were dated so we knew when they had been posted. I can no longer tell if I am responding on something which is out of date, other than the position of the post in the list of subjects.
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#117271 - 07/14/03 08:20 AM Re: Twisty List Results
Becky Offline
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I've always been surprised that the Kings Quest games don't rank more highly on the list. This could be because they are older games, but then age doesn't seem to effect GK2's ranking or Grim Fandango's rankng or Zork Nemesis's ranking, etc.

I wonder if there is an X factor about a game that makes it age gracefully and claim an enduring place in the heart of gamers.

Alternatively, is there a chance that those of us who hang out at Gameboomers represent only a part of the adventure gaming public, and a Twisty List from another adventure gaming board would come up with different results?

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#117272 - 07/14/03 08:23 AM Re: Twisty List Results
Becky Offline
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Jude -- have you tried this yet?

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You have to update your profile to the new time/date, time zone and then click update profile. Even if the time or the time zone are the default - change them and adjust them back. It needs to be told that it is what you wanted.

Some computers might need a log off/log on or a hard boot to catch. This was due to the upgrade of the board and personalization of the time.

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#117273 - 07/14/03 11:32 AM Re: Twisty List Results
nickie Offline
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Interesting thought, Becky. I wonder if some of the rankings aren't affected by the recent threads on some of those older games, bringing them more to attention than others.
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#117274 - 07/15/03 09:30 AM Re: Twisty List Results
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I LOVE the King's Quest series. For some reason I put them in an entirely different category from the games I listed as adventures so didn't include them in my vote.
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#117275 - 07/15/03 02:52 PM Re: Twisty List Results
Becky Offline
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I LOVE the King's Quest series. For some reason I put them in an entirely different category from the games I listed as adventures
Wow, I think of the King's Quest games as the very essence of an adventure game. Myst and other similar games are relative newcomers to the genre compared to King's Quest.

It's going to be very interesting doing the Twisty List next year because of all the sequels coming out. Ten of the top twenty from the 2003 Twisty List are sequels, and many of the sequels coming out soon are derived from some of these top games. I wonder if the top twenty next year will be a lot different from this year.

(Flotsam, I apologize for just assuming that, of course you will do a Twisted List next year. I know it's a tremendous amount of work for you, but I do look forward to it so!)

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#117276 - 07/15/03 04:11 PM Re: Twisty List Results
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Registered: 06/03/02
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I was ready to put all of the king's quest (1-7, I don't count 8) games down in my list. I grew up on that series! However I was recently playing some of them, and looking back there are some annoying parts (being able to get stuck by giving away a crucial item, having to wait around by chance to see the fairies and get their dust!, sudden deaths, etc.). So I limited their presence on my list, but they were there. Its OK those flaws are there though, adventure gaming was in its infancy. Its nice replaying the games with the Tierra versions, I like having voiceovers and music. I hope they continue their great work!
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#117277 - 07/15/03 08:58 PM Re: Twisty List Results
Becky Offline
The Medieval Lady
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Registered: 02/16/00
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Loc: Stony Brook, New York, USA
I was CERTAIN that King's Quest 7 came out in 1997. But no, I checked Peter's Pagoda site and the game was published in 1994. King's Quest 1 came out in 1984. These games are ancient. No wonder they have difficulty competing against the newer games on the list.

Also, there are so many King's Quest games that the votes may tend to get split up.

I haven't downloaded the Tierra games yet. Maybe it's time.

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#117278 - 07/16/03 04:07 AM Re: Twisty List Results
Betje Offline
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Registered: 08/30/02
Posts: 334
Loc: the Netherlands
Quote:
Originally posted by Becky:

Alternatively, is there a chance that those of us who hang out at Gameboomers represent only a part of the adventure gaming public, and a Twisty List from another adventure gaming board would come up with different results?
Yes. A recent list at JA:

1. The Longest Journey
2. GK (Gabriel Knight) 2
3. Grim Fandango
4. GK 3
5. MI (Monkey Island) 2
6. MI 3
7. GK 1
8. Day of the Tentacle
9. Riven
10. Broken Sword
11. MI 1
12. King's Quest VI
13. Myst
14. Sanitarium
15. Syberia
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#117279 - 07/16/03 06:02 AM Re: Twisty List Results
Becky Offline
The Medieval Lady
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Registered: 02/16/00
Posts: 26917
Loc: Stony Brook, New York, USA
Comparing the GB top 15 list:

1. The Longest Journey
2. Syberia
3. Myst 2: Riven
4. Gabriel Knight 2: The Beast Within
5. Dark Fall
6. Myst/RealMyst
7. Grim Fandango
8. Zork Nemesis
9. Zork Grand Inquisitor
10. Myst 3: Exile
11. Broken Sword 1: Shadow of the Templars/Circle of Blood
12. Amber: Journeys Beyond
13. Sanitarium
14. Gabriel Knight 1: Sins of the Fathers
15. Gabriel Knight 3: Blood of the Sacred, Blood of the Damned

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#117280 - 07/16/03 06:03 AM Re: Twisty List Results
colpet Offline
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Registered: 01/07/01
Posts: 2000
Loc: Orillia, Ontario, Canada
Quote:
Alternatively, is there a chance that those of us who hang out at Gameboomers represent only a part of the adventure gaming public, and a Twisty List from another adventure gaming board would come up with different results?
I visit the Just Adventure forums as well, but I find that GB does seem to represent the subset of adventure games that I most enjoy. When I first visited JAVE, I was surprised at what was included under the heading of Adventure. It's interesting that I've only played 5 of those top 15 from JAVE. I own all of them except for the King's Quest one, and I do intend to play the GK series and Sanitarium at some point. I am definitely skewed towards first person games, though I thoroughly enjoyed TLJ and Syberia. I couldn't finish Grim Fandango. The game was good, but the keyboard controls were awkward for me.

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