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#118249 - 11/07/03 12:35 AM Re: Say your word! Should Sherlock Holmes speak in British or American English?
Ditlihi Offline
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Carmen,I was always under the assumption that Jones was a very common Welsh surname or do the English use it as well? Or is it like the name Shannon which I always thought it was Irish,but found out not long ago it orginally came from Scotland

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#118250 - 11/07/03 07:11 AM Re: Say your word! Should Sherlock Holmes speak in British or American English?
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Part of the appeal of these stories is that they are set in Victorian England. It therefore makes sense to use an authentic English accent (and I'm not against an American playing the part so long as he has the right voice) and terminology.
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#118251 - 11/07/03 10:50 AM Re: Say your word! Should Sherlock Holmes speak in British or American English?
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#118252 - 11/07/03 01:14 PM Re: Say your word! Should Sherlock Holmes speak in British or American English?
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he Does have a very precise English accent... maybe Stephen Fry would be a better choice....

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#118253 - 11/07/03 01:43 PM Re: Say your word! Should Sherlock Holmes speak in British or American English?
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British, but also with subtitles.
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#118254 - 11/07/03 06:57 PM Re: Say your word! Should Sherlock Holmes speak in British or American English?
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CNW400,
Believe it or not, there is a Standard American English which speech-language pathologists are taught in college in the US. The International Phonetic Alphabet was established in the late 1880s. It was first concerned with phonetics as applied to teaching English, but as more countries became involved, the alphabet became truly international and has survived to this day with very few changes.

As you know, the same letters can have entirely different sounds. For instance, the "c" in city makes the "s" sound and the "c" in cage makes the "k" sound. The IPA has a symbol for each sound in our language. Although we use only 26 letters in English, there are (dredging up very old memory) 44 symbols that represent the different sounds or phonemes in Am. English. The different dialects we hear are simply variations on a theme that have been established regionally. They occur because of changes in voice quality, vowel distortions or prolongations, omissions or additions of sounds, inflections, and the influences of other languages, among other things. The phonetic alphabet has modifying symbols to show these variations.

Oh, for pity's sake, I sound like one of my professors. Sorry! Class dismissed! laugh

Jeremy Brett was also my favorite Sherlock Holmes. Holmes' speech should be that of an educated Victorian Londoner. Anything else would be jarring.

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#118255 - 11/08/03 05:09 AM Re: Say your word! Should Sherlock Holmes speak in British or American English?
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Holmes' speech should be that of an educated Victorian Londoner. Anything else would be jarring.
hër hër ... as they broadcast from the House of Commons.
(Apologies to LadyKestrel if my phonemes are a bit phony!

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#118256 - 11/08/03 05:13 AM Re: Say your word! Should Sherlock Holmes speak in British or American English?
Rainbowangel Offline
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Has got to be a British well spoken London accent as this is how Conan Doyle wrote him. I agree that subtitles should be included.

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#118257 - 11/08/03 06:24 AM Re: Say your word! Should Sherlock Holmes speak in British or American English?
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By all means, give us those quaint British words like chips and trunk call and Wensleydale. Put as many in as many words as possible with letters that are never pronounced. There should be at least two characters whose names begin with double L. And somebody whose name begins with St. pronounced "sin".

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#118258 - 11/08/03 08:34 AM Re: Say your word! Should Sherlock Holmes speak in British or American English?
tigger Offline
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a Llewellyn then?? The double ll is a Welsh spelling.. St.John as I recall is the only one which gives the 'sinjun' sound..

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#118259 - 11/08/03 08:56 AM Re: Say your word! Should Sherlock Holmes speak in British or American English?
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How about a puzzle with names such as Cholmondeley? Give points for those who can pronounce them <teehee>

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#118260 - 11/08/03 09:03 AM Re: Say your word! Should Sherlock Holmes speak in British or American English?
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OK, a real verbal conundrum.. say Slaithwaite properly!!

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#118261 - 11/08/03 09:25 AM Re: Say your word! Should Sherlock Holmes speak in British or American English?
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CHUM-LEE (CHUM as in "Dumb" ... or a more obvious one --- but may be considered a bit rude wink ).

And what about one of my favorite sauces ... WORCESTER !

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#118262 - 11/08/03 09:32 AM Re: Say your word! Should Sherlock Holmes speak in British or American English?
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St.John (Sinjun) - wasn't that Roger Moore's fake name in A View To A Kill?
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#118263 - 11/08/03 10:08 AM Re: Say your word! Should Sherlock Holmes speak in British or American English?
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British, of course. We're talking Sherlock Holmes. thumbsup
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