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Re: Still Life Ending Discussions--SPOILERS!!! #118311
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Well, we do know that Marc was the killer in Prague and that a 'pupil' continued in Chicago. This pupil must be Richard because he knew so much about the otherwise unknown artist. And Victoria left Mia with him for protection, unwittingly leaving her with the killer. How else could Mia end up dead if Richard was with her and kept an eye on her? Victoria never saw the killer's face because she passed out just as he lost his mask. And why would the killer spare her if he was a total stranger, he didn't hesitate to cut that other guy's throat who happened to be in the way. So the scumbag isn't dead and hopefully comes back for a sequel.
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I thought we saw a scene at the ending credits of Mia recovering in the hospital bandaged up, Emily. Was I mistaken? It was my impression that Victoria saved her just in time, shooting the killer before he stabbed Mia.

I really would have loved a sequel.

Melanie


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Well I just finished the game and I must say I absolutely loved it except for the ending. I was very disappointed in the way it ended. I was expecting closure.


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Re: Still Life Ending Discussions--SPOILERS!!! #118314
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Melanie - I didn't realize that was supposed to be Mia. (Could it have been Vic?) I actually thought it was a guy. blush

Ingrid - How could Richard be Ackerman's pupil? I thought the pupil thing was supposed to have happened in the 1930s.

Re: Still Life Ending Discussions--SPOILERS!!! #118315
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Maybe I missed something here, but I thought that Richard met Marc in Chicago, where he was in a mental institution after his father got him out of Prague. Had the pupil been from the Prague days, he would have been much too old (70 years later!) to jump over roof tops and do much of anything. Perhaps Richard never even met Ackerman, but admired his 'work', considered himself a pupil, and decided to follow in his footsteps.


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I thought Gus and Marc were the same age? And Vic and Richard were the same age.So if Vic is the grandaughter of Gus than maybe Richard is the Grandson of Marc. Maybe that 16 year old girl who donated the bridge was Richards grandmother.Why else would anyone own a gallery and display portraits of murders???

Re: Still Life Ending Discussions--SPOILERS!!! #118317
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Melanie - I didn't realize that was supposed to be Mia. (Could it have been Vic?) I actually thought it was a guy. blush
I think I saw 2 recuperating pictures, Emily. The first one looked like Mia with a bandage on her arm and maybe an IV? The second looked like Victoria. I tried to go back to the cinematics to see them again, but they were in the ending credits and the credits didn't have images the second time I looked. ?

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Perhaps Richard never even met Ackerman, but admired his 'work', considered himself a pupil, and decided to follow in his footsteps.
That would also be a possibility and fit with Richard being the killer, Ingrid, but that would mean that Richard had something to do with the club and wouldn't explain the 2 Ackerman signatures.

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Re: Still Life Ending Discussions--SPOILERS!!! #118318
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That's a good point about the ages, Catsmom. Richard could be Mark's grandson, rather than his son. He could also still have a sister, the mystery lady at the club and have a father with the same name to explain the 2 MA signatures.

Melanie


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Re: Still Life Ending Discussions--SPOILERS!!! #118319
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I just finished the game and I've gotta say.....I LOVED IT!!! I've been looking over all of your comments. The ending was as suspenseful as the whole story. When she was in the hot tub at the end, I was sure that someone would jump out and kill her.

I have no idea who the killer could be. I thought at first that her father could be involved - the S & M club seemed to cater to the wealthy and I remember what her grandfather was told - something about being very careful when you investigate something that'll implicate a powerful person. The parallels between the past and the present were very strong. Then there's her boss who let the suspect she was interrogating go free just as he was about to come up with names. (Just like the police inspector who let the killer in the past go free.) Then there was her boyfriend who seemed to be too interested in showing paintings of obviously tortured women...and passing them off as something else.

I didn't think she recognized the killer in the apartment. She seemed too drugged out, and I didn't really see a glimmer of recognition on her face. Maybe I missed it. It was really frustrating that she was so close to seeing the killer and missing it both at the apartment and at the bridge. It IS interesting, though, that the killer didn't kill her when her obviously could have. Both her Dad and her boyfriend could have been responsible for that. Hmmmm. Questions and more questions.

I really hope there's a sequel and that it's as good as this story. They need to use the same people to make it or it'll change too much.


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Something else just occurred to me: Her Dad may be innocent. It could be that it's the tendency for people in her family to be the crime investigators and prosecutors, but the people in her boyfriend's family to have the tendency toward criminal behavior. Maybe these traits are passed down in each respective family.


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Re: Still Life Ending Discussions--SPOILERS!!! #118321
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I don't think it was Vic's dad. I think it's much more likely that it was Richard or someone still unknown to us. Maybe the perpetrator just didn't want to kill Victoria because he was enjoying toying with her, not because he knew or liked her.

It's true that people seem to follow in the footsteps of their families but even the scientists don't how much of it is genetics and how much is just environment.

Melanie


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Re: Still Life Ending Discussions--SPOILERS!!! #118322
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I think this game should be played twice just like watching a movie twice, first time you often miss little things. As for the signatures at the club, who better to forge them than an artist/gallery owner.The killer was definetely a man and my money is still on Richard.


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Re: Still Life Ending Discussions--SPOILERS!!! #118323
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Quote:
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It's true that people seem to follow in the footsteps of their families but even the scientists don't how much of it is genetics and how much is just environment.

Melanie
True in real life. I was thinking that, for this story, it kinda made sense to have two distinctive bloodlines fighting through time. Makes for a more artistic touch.

BTW, have you all written to Ubisoft and demanded the sequel using the original artists?

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Re: Still Life Ending Discussions--SPOILERS!!! #118324
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Yes that is, Ingrid you right, Richard was a "mental" pupil of Marc, he was fascinated by his unsound pictures, by the way he had to be disturbed to follw such a teacher!

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Hi all! wave
I am so glad to see this discussion. I was boiling with frustration from such ending. Now, Dad looks the least possible suspect because of his laud snoring we all heard a couple of times.
The perfect alibi. But could it be just a recording? Pretty convenient. think


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Why have people suspected the Father? All he wanted in the game was Gingerbread cookies. smile

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Why have people suspected the Father? All he wanted in the game was Gingerbread cookies. smile
lol lol lol


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Re: Still Life Ending Discussions--SPOILERS!!! #118328
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Why have people suspected the Father? All he wanted in the game was Gingerbread cookies. smile
lol I was going to ask the same question. I never suspected him.


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I think the Coachman had something to do with the murders in the 1930's.When I saw him talking to Gus, I kept thinking what a young looking face for such a old man. When you look at his face it is young looking but he has white hair.And if you go into the building where he was, he isnt there anymore. Could he have been Mark, portraying a Coachman? Maybe thats how he got his victims in a secluded area.

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The Coachman doesn't look suspicious to me. All he wanted was to be left alone and train his birds. laugh


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And train his birds to steal...and drive victims to their death,,,not suspicious to me either smile

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And train his birds to steal...and drive victims to their death,,,not suspicious to me either smile
Don't forget the fact that he seemed to know more about the killings than the police!


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That's what some birds like to do - to steal the shiny objects, even without training...Such a long way to murder... wink


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[b] And train his birds to steal...and drive victims to their death,,,not suspicious to me either smile
Don't forget the fact that he seemed to know more about the killings than the police! [/b]
He was definitely on my suspicious list for the early murders. smile

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Hi, everyone!

I just finished the game a few minutes ago and am glad I sat through the credits; otherwise, I would have missed the ending (Victoria at Pat's house).

I felt the same about the ending to "Still Life" as I did about the ending to "Jack the Ripper". I loved both games, but felt short-changed because the identity of the killers was never revealed. It made sense in JTR because, to this day, even though many theories are floating around, nobody knows for sure who he was. The same doesn't hold true for "Still Life", unless there is a planned sequel and the identity of the killer will be revealed then.

Like many others here, my money is on Richard as the modern-day killer. He was missing at the end when Victoria returned to the gallery, and he didn't kill her in Mia's apartment when he had the chance.

I loved seing Gus again and thought that "Still Life" was one of the best games I've ever played. It kept me glued to my computer at all times and, even though I tried to take my time because I didn't want it to end, I couldn't stop playing.

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