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Schizm #119148
01/22/03 03:28 PM
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Hi all, I just want to vent a little, so please take no offense at what I am about to say...I think this game stunk! Hey, I am always up for a challenge, I, like most adventure gamers dont want puzzles to be easy, but who thought it would be a good idea to put trig/geometry into a puzzle?? I have a collge degree and still needed 2 different walkthroughs to HELP solve the target puzzle, and I do belive I finally got it by accident! I found this game too hard, and wished I had never played...it has kept me up at nite, trying to figure things out without consulting a walkthrough! For those who liked it, I apologize, for those who did not, I am on your side...sorry, just wanted to get that off my chest. ps.-I had my husband help me with the target puzzle too (he is NOT a gamer), and even he said he felt like he was back in school! Thanks for your time! Sharon laugh mad

Re: Schizm #119149
01/22/03 03:38 PM
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No offense taken on my part, Sharon! Schizm is generally considered to be one of the toughest adventure games going, and that perception includes its partner, Reah. Have you played that one? I didn't find the "target" puzzle easy either. I thought the toughest conundrum in this game, though, was trying to figure out when it was best to play as Hannah, and when one should switch to Sam, or when both should be in the same place working together or separately. That whole business was really challenging, IMHO.

Love, Witchen =O) smile

Re: Schizm #119150
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I am glad I am not crazy, and that someone else found this game HARD! I started feeling REALLY stupid, and am not even through with it, but cant not finish! thanks Witchen! Sharon

Re: Schizm #119151
01/22/03 04:29 PM
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Right on Sharon! I've been playing this thing too... I have decided to give it up because, if you aren't having any fun, then it's not an adventure, it's instructions! I love the thrill of solving a puzzle on my own, and Schizm was obviously meant for mensa geniuses! (to all who loved it...genius I tell ya!) This was a real stinker for me and I will not be keeping it! And it's nice to know I'm not alone!


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Re: Schizm #119152
01/22/03 04:53 PM
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I too struggled with the maths and hard puzzles but the real stinker is the train bridge puzzle which I'm still stuck on for some 6 months.I had considered asking for a save game but after consulting a WT for a hint I decided against it as there seems to be many roads to get to this point and I haven't trod all of them.I will get back to it just as soon as I've finished Simon3d,EFMI4 and Betrayal at Antara and Nautilus.In fact that sounds like a really good idea.Byeeeee.

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Re: Schizm #119153
01/22/03 05:19 PM
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Hope you do get back to it Incog. And, there's plenty of help in Hints for this one too, if you don't want to use a walkthrough. The railroad bridge puzzle is tough, but the two sets of two successful passes at the computer grid puzzle are even tougher. And, how about the Prayer Wheel puzzle and the one where you enter each of five houses one time and leave each of them twice? Oh man! smile This game is full of hair-pullers. But, after you've succeeded.......what a celebration of will and wits!!! lol lol

Re: Schizm #119154
01/22/03 06:40 PM
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Gosh, I managed to supress the memory of the houses... I did finally beat it, but I had to involve my brother and a coworker! LOL! I quite enjoyed Schizm, although I had to consult wt's. I thank Bert Jamin, for being able to finish it actually! laugh

Re: Schizm #119155
01/22/03 07:33 PM
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I Loved the game... no, I hated it.
Well, the graphics were beautiful, loved the game.
AHHH, the puzzles were soooo tiring, no, no, no, I hated the game! mad
But the graphics.... frown

Here is how I feel about this game: Why do you exist?

Re: Schizm #119156
01/22/03 07:57 PM
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I loved the game. The graphics were beautiful and I did no mind lingering at any place and figure things out. For me the sound puzzle was the hardest because at the time I did not have a good sound card. The railway connector puzzle made me pull my hair too. The trig puzzle was a good brain twister. How about setting the right coordinates on the fish ship?LOL
I love Rhea too.
At the risk of being killed by you all let me say;I hope those guys are making another game.


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Re: Schizm #119157
01/22/03 08:27 PM
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HI Gang...........There definitely will be a Schizm sequel!

Delion has officially confirmed that a sequel to the game, Schizm, is in development. The game will be a 3-D rendered adventure game based on Lithtech's Jupiter engine. It will have a "pretty linear" story developed from the ground up none other than Terry Dowling! Detalion goes on to advise that this new issue will be a "challenging game," but "probably slightly easier than Schizm."

More to come.........

Love Witchen =O)

Re: Schizm #119158
01/23/03 03:21 AM
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Oh my, I can't let this ride. SCHIZM is flying high as Number 2 on my List of Favorite Games. I thought the ability to switch characters was a delightful innovation. The puzzles were great, except for trying to make out what that priest was saying and what all those sounds were. I have a good ear for music, but that wasn't music. Aside from that, the puzzles were challenging enough to give me a sense of accomplishment when I worked them out. The toughest puzzle (not due to my inability to make out those low pitch grunts) was the second "Bridge Raising" puzzle. That was a dilly and cost me a lot of time, particularly since I had to do it twice because my computer went down (Power Company breakdown and not even an electrical storm around here) before I had a chance to SAVE the game. [That is why I spent the bucks to buy a battery emergency backup. I couldn't have something like that happen again!] The only thing that really bugs me is that I thought the denouement did not really resolve all the questions I had about the plot. Of course, that makes it ideal for a sequel, I guess. Come to think about it, I had the same objection about the ending of REAH, but more so, since I thought that ending was the very worst, so poorly thought out that it left me with a sour mouth for what was an otherwise very interesting game.

In short (and I am never short), I loved SCHIZM! thumbsup thumbsup thumbsup


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Re: Schizm #119159
01/23/03 07:44 AM
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hi i have to agree that the puzzles are hard i think i fluked a couple already still playing though. but hey the graphics and the colours in the game are so vibrant. mind you maybe its the dvd. i say any adventure game is good just to keep the genre alive. eek

Re: Schizm #119160
01/23/03 09:48 AM
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Sharon, don't feel bad. Some games grab me more than others, and some games everyone seems to like do nothing for me. It's all a mater of taste!

I had been looking forward to Schizm when it was still in development, but as I read about the hard puzzles, and some game reviews, I decided it probably wasn't the game for me, so I passed. (guess I don't have full blown BAAGS after all! smile )

Louis

Re: Schizm #119161
01/23/03 12:09 PM
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Louis, Louis....It's not too late, my friend. lol And there is an incredible amount of excellent help available for Schizm here at Boomers. You really don't want to miss this one! Really! smile

Love, Witchen =O)

Re: Schizm #119162
01/23/03 03:01 PM
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The DVD version of Schizm had some of the most incredibly beautiful graphics I've ever seen in a computer game - matched only by the Myst series. But some of the puzzles were ridiculously hard. Even with a decent sound card the sounds weren't easy to differentiate in the sound puzzles. And I had the worst time trying to draw pictures of those urns...

It's possible to make a "challenging" game which has puzzles that aren't so obscure. And if they produce another puzzle like the bridge puzzle for Schizm 2, I hope they allow you the option of saving in between bridges. It wasn't a bad puzzle, but even if you develop a strategy for solving it there is some luck involved in actually winning twice in a row.

Re: Schizm #119163
01/23/03 03:31 PM
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Quote:
Originally posted by Jenny100:
Even with a decent sound card the sounds weren't easy to differentiate in the sound puzzles.
And to make matters worse I'm tone deaf. There was no way I would have made it through that part without the aid of a WT.

But it's still one of my all time favorite games.

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Re: Schizm #119164
01/23/03 03:39 PM
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Not being tone deaf didn't help. The problem wasn't with pitch. It was with trying to transcribe very alien-sounding words. And they sounded so garbled...
It would have helped if there had been a text option so you could see how the sound was spelled and could match it if you heard it (and saw it displayed) later on.

Re: Schizm #119165
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I have Schizm and I probably won't even begin to play it until I get the game guide - from what I can see from what you have said, a walkthrough won't be enough.

Some days I think it would be worth my while to just PAY gameboomers to play the hard parts in the game for me. But, that would be defeating the purpose, wouldn't it?

A trig/geometry puzzle? Where's that walkthrough!


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Re: Schizm #119166
01/23/03 05:18 PM
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After a certain point in the game I just wasn't in a mood to wrestle with most of the puzzles so I used Bert Jamin's WT and had no problems whatsoever following it. I think you'll find it at www.gamesover.com It was probably the "extended DVD" version (it's in English) because it discribed the Telescope Puzzle which was not in the CD version which I had. I simply skipped past that part. laugh


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Re: Schizm #119167
01/23/03 05:39 PM
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BillyBob is so right, mszv.......And we have more than one excellent walkthrough for Schizm and Bert's is outstanding, for sure. Also, as I mentioned above, there is a lot of expert help here at Boomers for the game. Its a grand game,honest! wink

Love, Witchen =O)

Re: Schizm #119168
01/23/03 06:14 PM
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OK good, I don't have to buy a game guide!

I think if there was a contest on "laziest adventure gameboomer" I would win.

I do want to play Schizm, I just don't want to have solve trig puzzles, if that makes sense.

My list of "games to play" was never that big, but gameboomers are a really bad influence.


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Re: Schizm #119169
01/23/03 07:10 PM
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I must admit that puzzles were hard in this game but this is how things would happen if you were suddenly put down on an alien planet. You would have to figure things out without knowing the language, numbers or directions. It really gave me the feeling that I was in a totally alien place and this was reinforced all through the game, it was a true adventure.

I would have liked it if the game elaborated more on those interesting symbiotic relationships of animate and inanimate things...


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Re: Schizm #119170
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Quote:
Originally posted by mszv:
I have Schizm and I probably won't even begin to play it until I get the game guide - from what I can see from what you have said, a walkthrough won't be enough.
If you are interested, I can send you as an attachment my Game Journal for SCHIZM, which some people might think is closer to a game guide than a walkthrough. Just let me know.


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Re: Schizm #119171
01/23/03 07:31 PM
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Oh, MSZV, I might warn you, it is 76 typewritten pages long, so have plenty of paper in your printer. laugh


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Re: Schizm #119172
01/23/03 07:42 PM
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Advpuzlov,

I haven't played Schizm either, and if it's not too much trouble I'd love a copy of your guide. Reading all the posts on the extreme difficulty of this game has made me more than a bit leery of it. I've got the DVD version if that makes any difference.

Thanks,

Mike

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