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#120391 - 04/16/06 03:11 PM A Complaint About Adventure Games -- Possible Spoilers Within
Douglas Bregger Offline
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Registered: 03/30/06
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OK, the idea behind click and save games is you've got to switch around objects with characters in order to get to the next part of them game, right? Well, I think it sometimes gets a little ridiculous!
Take Longest Journey. There's a section where April has to get to the old theatre to see Cortez. But no one's at the box office. So she has to get the garage entrance open. Then she has to create a diversion so that the stupid son of the owners keeps the back entrance to the theatre open, and she can walk in.
Come on! Why didn't they just have someone at the box office. Then she'd use her card and get in to the theatre. Or else, she could have done some other activities, then gone back to the theatre later in the game!
Any of you have thoughts on this subject?

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#120392 - 04/16/06 03:21 PM Re: A Complaint About Adventure Games -- Possible Spoilers Within
niteowl07 Offline
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i hated the whole game - that's why i'll trade it.the death point for me wasn't trying to get into the theater ,but how she got rid of the detective...

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#120393 - 04/16/06 03:28 PM Re: A Complaint About Adventure Games -- Possible Spoilers Within
SkeeterUK Offline
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Whats wrong with the theatre section of the game, it was good. Better and more entertaining that just walking in straight away. Little challenges like this is what makes adventure games so fun. For the majority anyhow.

Btw @ Niteowl07, you a niteowl with alan on metro radio. smile I used to be one too awhile ago. smile

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#120394 - 04/16/06 03:31 PM Re: A Complaint About Adventure Games -- Possible Spoilers Within
Mad Offline
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Hi Douglas smile

If you are expecting that the majority of adventure games be logical then you will be sorely disappointed wink

Some of the "Classics" from the glory days of adventure games had the most illogical puzzles known to man thumbsup

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#120395 - 04/16/06 03:31 PM Re: A Complaint About Adventure Games -- Possible Spoilers Within
texaslady Offline
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Isn't it amazing how people will love a game, hate it or just not care one way or the other?
I liked the game a lot......loved finding a use for Guy. I didn't mind all of the conversation or being side tracked by clues. When I played the game, I'd never even seen a walkthrough or heard of gaming forums and to be honest, I didn't know I could die in a game. I simply enjoyed poking around and borrowing things when I could.
It was a learning experience for me and hopefully I'll remember what I did learn.

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#120396 - 04/16/06 03:42 PM Re: A Complaint About Adventure Games -- Possible Spoilers Within
maggie57 Offline
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I really love The Longest Journey, in fact I have it on my computer again to play and am expecting Dreamfall, which actually is The Longest Journey 2 and I should get it in just a few days. I think a few people just don't have the patience for these games, me I love them. Sorry Douglas. Have a Happy Easter.

Maggie bravo bravo bravo

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#120397 - 04/16/06 04:08 PM Re: A Complaint About Adventure Games -- Possible Spoilers Within
Jenny100 Offline
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Quote:
Originally posted by Douglas Bregger:
Come on! Why didn't they just have someone at the box office. Then she'd use her card and get in to the theatre.
It's what's known as a puzzle. If you don't like them, you're playing the wrong kind of game. The puzzle you described is pretty typical for 3rd person adventure games. You need to get in somewhere. You're blocked from getting in by the normal routes. So you have to be creative and find some other solution, often doing things you'd never do in real life. Success is often rewarded by an amusing cut scene.

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#120398 - 04/16/06 04:30 PM Re: A Complaint About Adventure Games -- Possible Spoilers Within
BillyBob Offline
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Sometimes I like'em that way and sometimes I don't. Guess it depends on the mood I'M in. Lately I've been in the "don't" category. duh

The first puzzle I remember that was really illogical to me was after getting into the Clock Tower in MYST (my first game) and having to pull the chains to get a certain number to come up. I was stuck for a week on that one and even charted out all the possible combinations before I discovered, by accident, why logic didn't work. I think it prepared me for illogical puzzles in future games. evil laugh
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#120399 - 04/16/06 04:46 PM Re: A Complaint About Adventure Games -- Possible Spoilers Within
Melanie1 Offline
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Registered: 01/11/04
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Loc: Bay Area, CA
I like that kind of puzzle as long as it can be logically solved. I don't like puzzles that make me revisit the same places I've been to 10 times already because the solution is so obscure. That's one of the reasons I prefer 3rd person. I loved TLJ and thought the puzzles were fair.

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#120400 - 04/16/06 05:20 PM Re: A Complaint About Adventure Games -- Possible Spoilers Within
Jenny100 Offline
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Quote:
Originally posted by BillyBob:
The first puzzle I remember that was really illogical to me was after getting into the Clock Tower in MYST (my first game) and having to pull the chains to get a certain number to come up. I was stuck for a week on that one and even charted out all the possible combinations before I discovered, by accident, why logic didn't work.
I don't remember that particular puzzle as being illogical. You know the number you're shooting for. You experiment with the machine to see how it operates to get different numbers to come up. You observe what you do to get one number to change, to get two numbers to change, etc. Where wasn't it logical?

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#120401 - 04/16/06 05:34 PM Re: A Complaint About Adventure Games -- Possible Spoilers Within
niteowl07 Offline
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Registered: 11/06/05
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my only objection to the game was not enough puzzles - it was like the cut-scenes controlled everything as far as moving on.i never never ever would have thought of the detective thing - i had to use the walkthrough and remembered thinking "my sense of humor just left ". and it is odd how everyone likes different things- i play to try and sharpen my mind by thinking in different ways - i thought the theater part was really fun - kinda like coming home from college with no key, unexpectedly , and no one home !

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#120402 - 04/16/06 07:11 PM Re: A Complaint About Adventure Games -- Possible Spoilers Within
sierramindy Offline
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Registered: 04/03/06
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Okay, I liked the game, but that doesn't mean I have to like every puzzle in the game. I remember that box office only too well. I thought that was the way to go since I had the card. I figured there was just something I had to do first before the box office would open. Sometimes just walking out of a scene and into another scene or two and then walking back will move things along and the box office would be open. Or maybe I had to do something else that would trigger the opening of that box office. Finally the thing I personally had to do, was go to the walkthrough! Once I was pushed away from box-office-thinking, I was able to figure out the hat trick for the shadow and some of the rest. I think the box office was there to deliberately trap one! Is that fair? Oh sure, in adventure games it is, I reckon. Anyway, I can certainly empathize with Doug's frustration over that puzzle. I'm sure everybody has felt exactly that same way over different puzzles in different games. Be honest, haven't you?
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#120403 - 04/16/06 07:23 PM Re: A Complaint About Adventure Games -- Possible Spoilers Within
colpet Offline
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Registered: 01/07/01
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I'm not a fan of those types of puzzles either, in particular when they get really complex - need key from guy who needs water. To get water need to talk to girl who shows you a well, but now you need a bucket, etc..
It's not even a matter of lateral thinking, because those types of puzzles can be fun. If I knew that I had exhausted all the conversations, and found all the items I need, then I could apply myself to come up with a solution, however goofy it may sound. The problem is that you never really know if you've got every bit of information, and often you try to solve the puzzle without a vital clue. I tend to use hints and WTs in these situations, to avoid the frustration of resorting to try all items on everyone and everything and to ease the boredom of having to retrace your steps multiple times.
Some games do make it easier by refusing progression until all the tasks are done. Then you know for sure that you missed something.
I much prefer puzzles other than the inventory/dialogue kind.
I played TLJ early on in my gaming career, and managed very little of it without hints. I'd probably do better now, but knowing my preferences, I wouldn't be as likely to buy it now.

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#120404 - 04/16/06 07:28 PM Re: A Complaint About Adventure Games -- Possible Spoilers Within
friedmonky Offline
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Registered: 08/15/02
Posts: 10663
Loc: Massachusetts
Quote:
Originally posted by Jenny100:
Quote:
Originally posted by Douglas Bregger:
[b] Come on! Why didn't they just have someone at the box office. Then she'd use her card and get in to the theatre.
It's what's known as a puzzle. If you don't like them, you're playing the wrong kind of game. The puzzle you described is pretty typical for 3rd person adventure games. You need to get in somewhere. You're blocked from getting in by the normal routes. So you have to be creative and find some other solution, often doing things you'd never do in real life. Success is often rewarded by an amusing cut scene. [/b]
Exactly! thumbsup

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#120405 - 04/16/06 07:28 PM Re: A Complaint About Adventure Games -- Possible Spoilers Within
Darleen03 Offline
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OMG.................Douglas Bregger


That Game I thought was the BEST lol

Have some patience Also


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