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#120566 - 04/29/06 12:54 PM Re: One more rant about Dreamfall (beware - spoilers are lurking)
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Originally posted by Becky:
Syd -- you haven't met the guy in the game yet who tells Zoe that she kicks like a mule!
That guy was a real pain. It took me several tries to beat him.

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#120567 - 04/29/06 12:55 PM Re: One more rant about Dreamfall (beware - spoilers are lurking)
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Yes, he's tough, although there's a pattern you can use to beat him.

But again, it's not necessary to attack him--if you're careful, you can just sneak past him.
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#120568 - 04/29/06 12:56 PM Re: One more rant about Dreamfall (beware - spoilers are lurking)
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Jenny by the camera flipping around I meant that when I move the mouse the camera zooms in and out and if I move it too much I go from looking behind her (which is how I have the camera view) to looking at her from the front. Obviously I don't have something set up quite right.

Believe me Becky my character will never get told she kicks like a mule lol
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#120569 - 04/29/06 01:01 PM Re: One more rant about Dreamfall (beware - spoilers are lurking)
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Syd -- have faith! It's what the game is all about, after all. evil

Demosthenes -- you can sneak by him in the basement? (I didn't wait long enough for the....maybe shouldn't post a spoiler, but even if I did wait long enough, I couldn't see how to get by him unless he was going to stick his head in the sink for a couple of minutes!)

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#120570 - 04/29/06 01:11 PM Re: One more rant about Dreamfall (beware - spoilers are lurking)
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I guess I'll add my rant and possibly reiterate some of the previous comments.

In my opinion TLJ was(is) one of the classic adventures right up there with Kings Quest and Broken Sword. Those in decision making positions decide to take a good thing and improve on it my adding other elements to the adventure, I guess hoping to attract a wider audience. As evidenced by Kings Quest 8, Broken Sword 3 and now Dreamfall. What they in fact do (again in my opinion) is turn off their present fans of the game and not do enough to attract the crowd they were catering to.

There was a saying in the military (of which I retired from). "If it ain't broke don't fix it".

Well TLJ wasn't broke.
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#120571 - 04/29/06 01:18 PM Re: One more rant about Dreamfall (beware - spoilers are lurking)
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(In The Longest Journey, I am currently trying to remember how to puncture the rubber ducky while dangling it over a dangerous hotpost -- I mean hostpot I mean hotspot.)

If it's broke, fix it with a rubber ducky. shame

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#120572 - 04/29/06 02:13 PM Re: One more rant about Dreamfall (beware - spoilers are lurking)
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Originally posted by Becky:
Syd -- have faith! It's what the game is all about, after all. evil

Demosthenes -- you can sneak by him in the basement? (I didn't wait long enough for the....maybe shouldn't post a spoiler, but even if I did wait long enough, I couldn't see how to get by him unless he was going to stick his head in the sink for a couple of minutes!)
Becky, I tried to avoid him also and I couldnt. I kept hitting the right mouse button and even the K key to perform the heavy attack, I also used the space bar to block the attack. It would take several trys before Zoe would decide to attack and block and by then he had already beaten me to death. This is where I really got frustrated. I was pressing the right keys etc but Zoe would just stand there and take the beatings.
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#120573 - 04/29/06 03:39 PM Re: One more rant about Dreamfall (beware - spoilers are lurking)
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Avoiding him involves a distraction, creeping through shadow, and continuing to creep for the rest of the area.

Later there's an action you must take which *may* attract his attention, but I think it's still possible to avoid him.

If you do get into a fight with him, you need to dodge his strong punches and counter with a strong attack of your own--preferably in an area with a lot of room to maneuver. It's not easy, but there's a simple pattern to his attacks, and once you've found it you can defeat him.
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#120574 - 04/29/06 04:38 PM Re: One more rant about Dreamfall (beware - spoilers are lurking)
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Hmmm. Gotta try that, Demosthenes.

I beat him by not blocking him at all, but by backing away from him whenever possible, then running in and kicking, then backing away from him again.

It drove him nuts. I think he keeled over in sheer frustration.

JB -- I've never had Zoe just stand there while I was pressing keys! Sometimes she takes a second to wind up and kick -- but other movement is instantaneous.

Wonder why the experience is so very different?

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#120575 - 04/29/06 05:22 PM Re: One more rant about Dreamfall (beware - spoilers are lurking)
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Well, since there's no actual "dodge" button, running back and forth was pretty much all I did--it sounds like we used pretty much the same method for beating him, except I tried dodging left and right whenever he swung. lol

There is a long lag time between attacks and block moves. You have to plan everythjing in advance: if you press weak attack, for example, Zo
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#120576 - 04/29/06 05:29 PM Re: One more rant about Dreamfall (beware - spoilers are lurking)
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Well I'll have you know April just kicked some serious booty - course she had to die once before she prevailed but she did laugh Zoe definitely needs April's staff. I am not, however, looking forward to this guy you all are talking about - I can see many reloads in my future laugh

I think I'll put a spoiler tag on this thread if no one minds -
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#120577 - 04/29/06 05:30 PM Re: One more rant about Dreamfall (beware - spoilers are lurking)
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Well now that Ive adjusted the controls I'm moving right along. Just started "Winter".
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#120578 - 04/29/06 05:47 PM Re: One more rant about Dreamfall (beware - spoilers are lurking)
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Thanks Syd for the spoiler warning! Nice to see April again, isn't it? In TLJ she moved like a dancer -- now she moves like a warrior.

Blocking still lets you take damage, just not as much, right? Since it slows down your ability to make other moves -- errr, why bother with it?

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#120579 - 04/29/06 05:52 PM Re: One more rant about Dreamfall (beware - spoilers are lurking)
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Blocking works well against weak attacks, but it's useless against strong attacks. So it's a good thing to use if you think the enemy is going to use a weak attack--otherwise it's best to attack (if there's an opening) or dodge. Blocking is especially useful in tight corners where you don't have room to maneuver out of harm's way.
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#120580 - 04/29/06 08:26 PM Re: One more rant about Dreamfall (beware - spoilers are lurking)
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Originally posted by syd:
Jenny by the camera flipping around I meant that when I move the mouse the camera zooms in and out and if I move it too much I go from looking behind her (which is how I have the camera view) to looking at her from the front. Obviously I don't have something set up quite right.
The controls are too sensitive by default. If you're using the mouse you may be able to fix the problem by reducing the mouse sensitivity on the Mouse tab in the game options menu.

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