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#120596 - 04/30/06 06:11 PM Re: One more rant about Dreamfall (beware - spoilers are lurking)
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Some fights are more difficult than others. The fights that you are required to participate in are always very easy. Those that are harder can usually be avoided. Always look for alternate ways to get around a situation. The game is very good at giving you more than one choice, whether it be distracting, sneaking by, trapping, talking your way out, or choking the person.

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#120597 - 04/30/06 06:36 PM Re: One more rant about Dreamfall (beware - spoilers are lurking)
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Originally posted by friedmonky:
There are currently nine threads about Dreamfall in Glitches. These have been posted by people that are playing the game.

Rusty wave
Not sure I follow. I've read through them and they seem to be primarily technical problems with video cards, etc., rather than people complaining about the combat or controls.

Anyway. I'm clearly not making any friends here so I'm not going to post about Dreamfall anymore. wink It all comes down to personal preference and people can buy or not buy a game for whatever reason they choose. I just hate to think some players are going to miss out on a great game due to information that might not be accurate.

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#120598 - 04/30/06 06:40 PM Re: One more rant about Dreamfall (beware - spoilers are lurking)
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Hi Legolas813 wave


I agree..............AS I am playing Dreamfall.I Think its a Kool game Like Tomb Raider....I am use to this kind of game................My problem is I didn't expect this game to be like an Action type game...............I am a Point & Click person...........>With no Killing is just fine with me. BOOHOO the game is nothing like I thought. rolleyes


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#120599 - 04/30/06 06:52 PM Re: One more rant about Dreamfall (beware - spoilers are lurking)
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Darleen -- I'm a little confused -- are you saying that you're enjoying the game, but are disapointed because it isn't what you expected?

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#120600 - 04/30/06 07:00 PM Re: One more rant about Dreamfall (beware - spoilers are lurking)
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Emily while I appreciate your and Adventure Gamers close relationship with Funcom and Rangar I resent being told we're giving out inaccurate information. I'm playing the game right now - I've only been stopped twice in this game and it hasn't been due to the puzzles which are extremely simple to figure out - it's been by the lousy controls. Like it or not - the action sequences leave a great deal to be desired.
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#120601 - 04/30/06 07:07 PM Re: One more rant about Dreamfall (beware - spoilers are lurking)
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Absolutely not what I meant to imply, Syd. frown (And I'm only speaking for myself here -- not AG or Funcom or anybody else.)

What I'm trying to say is coming out all wrong, which is why I'm going to excuse myself from this conversation.

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#120602 - 04/30/06 07:13 PM Re: One more rant about Dreamfall (beware - spoilers are lurking)
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posted April 30, 2006 07:52 PM
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Darleen -- I'm a little confused -- are you saying that you're enjoying the game, but are disapointed because it isn't what you expected?
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YES that is what I'm saying..........I love point & click games ...........I thought this one was that kind of game.BUT I can still play a game Like Tomb Raider.


My problem with this game is the Fact so many did not espect the interface to be what it is....................POINT MADE I will not reply anymore about this game.
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#120603 - 04/30/06 09:06 PM Re: One more rant about Dreamfall (beware - spoilers are lurking)
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Quote by Fov

"As I said, I don't mind if someone who's played it expresses an opinion on it. That's what forums are for! But I am seeing a lot of people complaining about the combat who haven't actually played the game. That's what bothers me."

Fov, How can you defend the game when you yourself havent played it?
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#120604 - 05/01/06 11:37 AM Re: One more rant about Dreamfall (beware - spoilers are lurking)
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Quote:
Originally posted by Becky:
For what it's worth --

Some of my settings in the options menu:

Under Game settings:

Camera Behavior (Mouse) -- Normal
Camera Horizontal Axis -- Inverted
Camera Vertical Axis -- Inverted

Under Mouse settings:

Mouse Mode -- Camera
Mouse Overall Sensitivity -- set at just over one-third along the line/gauge
Character Movement Sensitivity -- about three-fourths
Camera Sensitivity -- about three-fourths


A Question -- I'm using EAX hardware for sound -- could using a setting with software sound emulation be causing some of the movement problems people are having?
I am using these settings and also found that lowering the Graphics Quality and Effects Quality (under Video) to Normal helped tremendously. Set to High, Zoe is floaty and harder to control. But set to Normal, I can move her around just fine and am getting into the game and enjoying it:))

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#120605 - 05/01/06 12:07 PM Re: One more rant about Dreamfall (beware - spoilers are lurking)
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Originally posted by fov:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by wysewomon:
[qb] The combat and stuff like that is supposed to be a relatively minor part of this game, but everything I've read gives me the impression that it totally eclipses anything else--that's what stands out in people's minds.
Really? Did you read Adventure Gamers' review?

Yeah, I did. Actually I've read several reviews that said the action sequences were minor and very easy. However, several of those also were of the opinion that the addition of action elements to the TLJ game-verse was a mistake. And once I started seeing peer comment--as opposed to comments from people involved in gaming on a professional or semi-professional basis--what I saw was that people who share some of the same, uh, desires in games as I do are frustrated and unhappy for a variety of reasons.

I do agree with your frustration about people dissing the game on the basis of a rumour, w/out having played it. I don't think making a decision not to play it, or not to play it right now, because of the experiences of people who HAVE played it is the same thing. When I see something like, "I died 90 times before I could get out of the basement (alley, whatever)," I think this is not a game I would enjoy. Dying repeatedly doesn't entertain me.

Mostly what I've seen to date is that this game isn't really satisfying anyone, or is satisfying only a few. People who like action/adventure don't like it because of the controls, or because the action is too easy for them or seems misplaced. People who prefer point and click don't like it because it isn't.

Pretty much I agree with Melanie and a few others: I think it was a mistake for Ragnar to apply his innovations to the sequel of a game as well known and as much loved as TLJ. I think it would have been a better choice if, for example, instead of adding action elements, he did something like make the conversations more concise (which I don't gather he did). 'Cause that's a criticism of the first game he could have responded to to improve the sequel.

Anyway. It may be--it's probable--that I'll pick up this game in a year or so when the price comes down and I've adjusted to the idea of the differences, and like it. That's what I did with Uru. But even the idea that I may enjoy the game at some future date doesn't make me want to spend a big wad of bills on it now!

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#120606 - 05/01/06 01:54 PM Re: One more rant about Dreamfall (beware - spoilers are lurking)
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There seems to be a belief that Emily was trying to tell people what to think or feel. There's a difference between being personally disappointed or making a decision for oneself and repeating what may or may not be entirely accurate (or complete) information without having played it. It was only the latter that Emily was trying to address (and she specifically stated her observations were not limited to GB).

But let's take this thread. If someone reads only page one of this thread, they may feel suitably informed to pass along how terrible the game's controls are elsewhere. If they completely miss subsequent posts about how re-configuring the setup makes it quite a bit better for most people, then the wrong message has been conveyed. Even if they do see it, the damage may still already have been done. For the many to whom direct control is already a concern, that's a potentially disastrous misunderstanding.

The discussion about the combat sequences could easily lead one to believe that they are a much more significant part of the game than reviews let on. For one's own purchase decision, that's a valid criterion and of course should be taken seriously. But hopefully people who haven't played it themselves will exercise more caution than to pronounce the game a failure because of them. Why? Because information like all but 3 or 4 of the fights being optional often seems to get left out of such statements. That's a fact that may actually MATTER to people who are on the fence about the game. So passing along only part of the story then fosters more misconception that eventually seems to be accepted as truth.

So, yeah. Though I'm not speaking for Emily, it sounded to me like a simple caution for those who haven't played it to be sure they have the full picture before spreading word of its many alleged failings. This is true of any game, of course, not just Dreamfall.

(And just for the record, though I obviously work for Adventure Gamers, I don't know Ragnar Tornquist from Adam, and my only concern here is that people don't jump to quick conclusions that may prevent them from considering a game they might enjoy.)
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#120607 - 05/01/06 02:34 PM Re: One more rant about Dreamfall (beware - spoilers are lurking)
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#120608 - 05/01/06 03:03 PM Re: One more rant about Dreamfall (beware - spoilers are lurking)
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Let me start by stating that each and every gamer, member is entitled to express a point of view in an acceptable manner. Once it is stated, the readers are entitled to either accept it as such or form their own opinion. There is no need to further heavily impress that opinion anymore than necessary.

What is accurate for one may not be accurate for another. It is a personal opinion. It is not misinformation. Nor does this forum consciously give misinformation.

To get a full picture, opinions have to stated and analysed. There are several postings in this forum of various opinions of parts of the game, some good, some bad. It is then open to be accepted or not - that includes Emily's post.

The gist of the heated discussion is based on a statement - 'information that might not be accurate' by members that have not played the game and that includes Emily herself.

Let us let it stand. Let the readers take the comments as is and make up their own mind.

Thank you all.

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#120609 - 05/01/06 07:30 PM Re: One more rant about Dreamfall (beware - spoilers are lurking)
Srebrna Offline
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First of all, I think this game is worthy. Beautiful environment to live in.
For me, default controls were something I got familiar with after a while. Combat sequences, likewise (my sneaking was very bad, I was caught almost everytime), after few deaths... I just used strong attacks and blocking, not dodging at all.
My dissapointment is in dialogues, there is no much options, not like in TLJ, and different choices doesn't seem to matter. Overall, I don't feel I interacted much during the game, except walking from point to point - and also too many movies, IMO many of this movies could be made like classic dialogues.
The end of game is special story, many people arguing about it, for me it was somehow unsatisfying, left me hanging. But then, it certainly raises emotions.

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#120610 - 05/02/06 08:33 AM Re: One more rant about Dreamfall (beware - spoilers are lurking)
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Let me begin by saying I have played the game. The graphics are stunning and the story interesting with an exception to the ending. The end of the game was huge disappointment for me. The idea of playing as different charcters kept things interesting. The controls are "picky", but using the combination of keyboard and track ball that I used in Uru,it was easy to navigate. Personally, I didn't care for the action sequences,but with most(not all) of the action sequences there is an alternative and the action areas to which there are no alternatives are easily done.
While I enjoyed playing the game, I wouldn't purchase other games with action sequences which give no alternatives but fighting.
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