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#120617 - 03/18/06 12:39 PM Scratches question--contains major spoilers
eastnc Offline
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OK, I finished the game. What happened? I thought one thing happened to me, then I'm talking? I really feel stupid!
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#120618 - 03/18/06 03:23 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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I too have finished the game. I felt the only obscure clue part was the one using the mirror. No reference was given for that solution..I thought it was very off course. The end of the game was perplexing and could have been done much better than it was. Not quite as satisfying as I would have thought it could have been. On the whole I would suggest the game and I did enjoy it but was disappointed in the way the end was handled. looking forward to more games though.

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#120619 - 03/18/06 04:00 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
nickie Offline
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Hi eastnc wave I edited your topic to include possible spoilers.
I think I know what you're talking about, but it happens really fast.
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You are stumbling backwards very quickly, and the door closes between you and the other.
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#120620 - 03/18/06 09:36 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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I just started Scratches and I have to say that I am quite underwhelmed. I know we do a lot of wandering around in adventure games but it's usually to pick up clues and tackle puzzle. So far I've wandered from the attic to the basement and am BORED. Hopefully, this picks up soon otherwise this will be heading to the garbage bin.

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#120621 - 03/18/06 10:20 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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wink I'm nearly done with Scratches and am thoroughly enjoying it. I found myself completely involved and, unlike TuesdayNext, not at all bored. (No offence.. different strokes...) but I have been struck with an odd thought. As an English teacher for over thirty years, I couldn't help but wonder how many young American gamers have never seen a bicycle tire generator and have no idea what a 'dynamo' is?
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#120622 - 03/18/06 10:43 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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I dont know what a dynamo is either, and I'm not a young american. Is a bicycle tire generator the same thing as a pump? for flat tires? duh

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#120623 - 03/18/06 11:42 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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I finished it this morning and really enjoyed it. I was creeped out by the music more than anything. It really made the atmosphere. I would have liked a more clear cut ending, but trying to guess what actually happened to all the characters involved was fun, also.

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#120624 - 03/19/06 02:48 AM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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I finished this the other day and really enjoyed it. I was so happy to finally have a scary game to play. happydance I do have to say that it wasn't the scariest game I've ever played as others have stated. (This is not a bad thing, I just thought I'd mention it.) The music was perfect, and really added to the suspense. thumbsup The voice acting was also great. smile

Really, the only complaint I have about the game (other than how long it took to finally be released! laugh ) was the fact that it was so very hard to see things. My screen was so dark, and for some reason I couldn't make it brighter by tinkering with the monitor controls. I'm pretty sure I missed out on some things because of this, especially at the end when I found the source of the noises. I also didn't really see what happened in the dream when I went into the room with the pilfered mask. What exactly happened when I turned around and went back out the door. I heard the sinister music, but saw nothing due to the how dark the screen was.

I look forward to any future games that Nucleosys plans to put out. Hopefully since Scratches seems to be doing so well, they will now have the means to make more games without that long delay that Scratches seemed to suffer. thumbsup

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#120625 - 03/19/06 08:41 AM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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Rael mentioned that: you can control the camera speed and brightness via F9 and F12 respectively.

Maybe that will help on replays. It's a great game. eek

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#120626 - 03/19/06 12:17 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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Haze, I had an old Schwinn bike that had a dynamo light on it. I remember if you coasted too long how the light would dim. It certainly kept you peddling in the dark. lol My son knew what it was and does (he's 16) but just not the name of it.

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#120627 - 03/19/06 06:44 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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Hey All

I was very disappointed with the ending of this game.........Scary and then nothing it ends.It was almost like the writer of the game didn't know how to end it..What gives with that.

Who was that guy in the basement.I guess it was nutty: Mr. Black wood. The BEST part of this game was the sounds effects through out the game.That was the BEST part of the game.The Gamma was much too dark for half blind people like me I had to put my glasses on several times to see that the cables from the bike to the battery was connected..Oh Well...Maybe Keepsake will be a great game for me.


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#120629 - 03/19/06 07:23 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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I remember that my son had to create a science project using a dynamo generator and a bicycle
the harder you peddled the bright the lamp bulb would burn which was attached to it.

--- The games brightness can be controlled by utilitizing the f9 and f12 keys as stated in the manual -- which is on the CD. --- For all of you who having finished the game but are having trouble seeing things ---> Try playing the game in the dark --> the screen will be much brighter.

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Mr. Blackwood died and is hanging out in the Crypt --- So who was that thing in the basement? --- here a hint --- New Jersey has one, and he was born 300 hundred years ago --- his mother's name was "Leeds" --- now, unlike the "Strange Child" born to Mrs. Leeds in Jersey, this one has no wings -- no head shaped like a horse --- and no wings or cloven feet... So, again a ask --- well then who is he?? And I answer, it's 20 odd years later --- I guess he got tired of waiting for the good Doctor to drop his raw meat through the grating --- probabkly never tasted as sweet as his mother's neck any way... now can you guess?

Nickie is correct, Michael quickly stumbles out past the heavy door to saftey... Leaving whatever it was to remain ... alone.

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#120633 - 03/20/06 06:53 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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sleep No Fair, Inferno! No Fair! First I play Scratches and perceive it as a subtle , rather grown up and thought-provoking game. This means I can't sleep because I'm thinking about it. Then you bring up "Mrs. Leeds" and New Jersey as though that should make sense even though I had not neard of Mrs. Leeds and haven't been in New Jersey for 30 years. Finally, Sue seems to provide a an answer to you with "CYE", which doesn't help me at all. All in all, it took a long night of 'Googling" to sort out your references; I got little sleep; and my first hour English class had to deal with aging, weary, surliness. "Ain't gamin' a wonderful thang?"
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#120635 - 03/20/06 10:00 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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Ahhhhh my dear sweet The Haze --- but now after your google search ---> surely you now know the secret of what HP Lovecraftian Horror walks silently alone along the lonely halls of Blackwood Manor and that it might have very well been a distant cousin of the "Leed's Child" sans winged arm, hoofed feet and equine head. ---- You know, this reminds me of something that actually happened to my dearest cousins and I one snowy night when we were lost in the New Jersey Pine Barrens. (Where some say that after 200 years of urban legend, The Leed's Child still rides the night sky....) If anything --- just think of the papers you could assign to your English class....and the comparisons you could make between The Leed's Child --- his real name --- and the Scratches Abhoration.

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#120638 - 03/21/06 04:58 AM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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Good Morning; I Thought I'd add more 'stuff' to this thread. First, I have a question. Can someone tell me: what are the orange circular things which appear in the lower right center of the screen during the credits. They're seen through a rain-smeared window. Next, am I the only one who thought it was really clever that H. P. Lovecraft got his name in the credits. Finally, for Inferno and others who follow her train of thought; Hornung, Doyle and Dickens (All considered Victorian writers!) often used "Old Scratch" as a euphemism for ........" Is that pertinent? wink
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#120639 - 03/21/06 11:32 AM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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I just finished it. I don't understand - if "I" made the magical amulet and used it on that mask - why is there still a 'demon'? running around in the basement? And I assume that hole to the outside yard it dug (that was the scratching noises we heard?) means that it escaped to the outside world thru it and is roaming around somewhere? Does this mean there will be another game where it/he/she shows up later, like a sequel? with its further "adventures"? What do you think? laugh
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#120640 - 03/21/06 01:04 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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I enjoyed this game but found the ending unsatisfactory. What really irritated me was the very un-English way of posting letters. Personally I would have been out of that house on foot if necessary.

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#120641 - 03/21/06 01:18 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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So is the ghoulie the disappeared doctor or James Blackwood? The skelly in James' crypt could be anyone.
And who was feeding the ghoulie?
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#120642 - 03/21/06 03:00 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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And in the boiler to that other secret room, the shadow I saw did not look like this ghoulie we see at the end, it looked like a young man about 25 or 30 years old - who was THAT?
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#120643 - 03/21/06 03:41 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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What if... the small coffin in the Crypt (the one with the R beneath it) was actually empty?
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#120645 - 03/21/06 05:53 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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Thanks Mag. That does tie it together and the speculations are probably all correct. Did not think along those lines. Now for some more reading (a Nora Roberts trilogy) and maybe replay the game in a day or two. Good storyline. This is one of Jonathon Boakes' haunting stories, isn't it? My memory is slipping a bit now and then.
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#120646 - 03/21/06 06:51 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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I was disappointed too!

Likes: The colouring of the game / Music and voice acting. The creepy feeling in the *SPOILER* baby's room.

Dislikes: Being alone all of the time, the monotony of walking up and down those stairs, and thinking it was going to be scary BUT IT WASN'T. I jumped once when the *SPOILER* figure passed in front of the furnace window but the MASK didn't scare me at all... I actually laughed because it was pretty pathetic looking with the combination of the music. Like it was trying too hard to be be scary.

I wanted so bad to meet Jerry, or the Electrician... or SOMEONE other than rotten guy in the basement for 2 seconds at the end.

OH WELL.... maybe they'll create a sequel and listen to us for ways to improve it.
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#120647 - 03/21/06 07:15 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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I posted this on JA in regards to the scare factor and thought it appropriate for the current direction of this thread:

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...to me there are different types of horror:

- The "in your face" jump out at you blood and gore type. (Silent Hill)
- The traditional parlor tricks type. (Objects move across the room, paranormal activity)
- The more subdued psychological types that play on your imagination. (Blair Witch - the movie, not the game)

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The first type does nothing for me scare-wise and seems really cheap - although still fun. The second type I enjoy and they might give me a bit of a fright at points, but I think Scratches falls into the third type. For me at least, that's the scariest.
Lola, I thought your comment about laughing at the mask was funny. For me, it creeped me out. But then some people get creeped out from blood and gore and seeing someone pulling their intestines across the floor. While they jump and close their eyes, I laugh thinking its comical.

Different strokes.

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#120648 - 03/22/06 02:27 AM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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I think the game makes more sense if you pay attention to the notes that the main character wrote to himself, about writing his new book. At least that was my take on it, and made me think the game was very cleverly done.
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#120649 - 03/22/06 10:16 AM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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I somehow completely missed the 'turn' the storyline took and I DID read all the letters and notes etc. but did not pick up on how the African stuff fit with the supposedly dead baby becoming what it is/was....will have to replay the game and pay more attention to all those notes. One question it poses for me is - Did 'mom' and 'dad' and 'doctor' think this was the curse visited on James for stealing all that African stuff? Just call me confused!
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#120650 - 03/22/06 10:29 AM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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Betty Lou, I think the father most definitely did, but whether he was a sane man with these thoughts, or having a mental breakdown is open to interpretation.
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#120651 - 03/22/06 03:13 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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Let me throw this question out, since I haven't seen anyone mention it yet.

I believe it was in the chapel that he found the secret room that he read the notes from the father to the doctor (it could have been the locked drawer in the study, though). In the notes the father mentions that his wife suspects something, and that he knows he's asking the doctor to commit murder. Soooooo.

Which murder? Did the doctor murder the wife? Or, was the father asking the doctor to murder the monster kid? BTW, who did murder the wife, if not the doctor? It must have been the monster because it says her throat was ripped. If the monster was her son, yuck!

Any ideas?

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#120652 - 03/23/06 03:17 AM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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If Catherine's body is not buried in the crypt, then is the body in her coffin her husband's? Also did Catherine have an affair with the Doctor? rolleyes

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#120653 - 03/23/06 05:55 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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duh I guess I don't understand some of what has been said on this thread. Here is a game that dozens of people (Including me) have played several times. Most of us like it and will play it yet again. We all have legitimate ideas about what happened; thought it was fun; loved the music; and believed it was, at some level, scary. What else do the naysayers want? It's a $20.00 game, not the ultimate entertainment experience. (That would be in Las Vegas!) I'll buy all of the games like this that become available. wave By the way- I still would like to know what the orange circular things are that show through the rain-streaked window in the credits.
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#120654 - 03/23/06 06:22 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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I think the basement monster is the child ,because of the teddy bear down there.The scratching was him digging himself out ,which he did .
I think he killed his mother,i don't know why she was buried in the yard when they have a crypt.
I think the Doctor was ask to kill the kid but did not.
I think the curse gave James the funny looking kid.
After that i don't know where the Dr. or James ended up......Just one Boomers opinion

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#120655 - 03/23/06 07:12 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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My impression of those orange things seen thru the window in the rain are that that is the greenhouse and those are flowers blooming on that African plant that has survived all these years without any care whatsoever....does that make any sense and fit in with the story?
Catherine was 'suspicious' of James and the doctor? Do you mean she suspected that her child did not die in childbirth? And that her husband and doctor had it/him stashed away somewhere? Not sure why she is buried outside in the dirt instead of in her coffin in the crypt = maybe so her son/monsterchild cannot find her to eat all of her? I'm going to have to replay this and pay more attention to everything I read to make it all 'come together' better....
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#120656 - 03/23/06 09:15 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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thanks Thanks: Thanks Betty Lou, I guess the idea that they're flowers works for me. As far as "Does that fit?"; I don't know. I thought I had this game figured out until I read all the posts here. Now all of these very perceptive gamers have confused me and I am not sure what went on. Ah well, I'll simply have to play it a third time. it's worth the trouble and Barrow Hill won't get here for a while.
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#120657 - 03/24/06 10:45 AM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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Moogie, that was the impression I got, that the doctor and the wife had an affair (through the letter between the two that was locked up in the desk drawer).

The Haze - everyone has different tastes in games, and naturally everyone doesn't like the same games. Sometimes its difficult to understand why everyone doesn't enjoy something we do. laugh Every year when people show their top ten games, it is unusual to find any matching with someone else! But I do think that if you ponder this game and go slowly and read all the notes, it makes it a better game than if you go through it quickly and take it on face value. I'll be interested to know what your impressions are after playing it again, if after the third time you think of the events even differently than the first and second go round! thumbsup
My impression is that it is a tragedy, similar in feel to the Blackstone Chronicles.
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#120658 - 03/24/06 10:52 AM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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Great discussion--this reminds me of the ones we had when Black Mirror first came out! thumbsup

Eastnc, I edited your title for the thread to let people who haven't played the game yet know that there are now major spoilers lurking in everyone's posts... wave
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#120659 - 03/24/06 12:59 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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Finished the game.
Did a Google search on Mrs. Leeds. Found a good site about this.
I think the creature was Robin.
Who was feeding it? Maybe the same father of Rosemary's baby. laugh
MaG and Texaslady - sure would like a copy of those emails you sent out.
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#120660 - 03/24/06 06:27 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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OH! OH! OH! I missed THAT the first time around!!!Did anyone else of you actually READ the label on those medicine/injection medication bottles??? It says TADADADUM!!!!!!*********THALIDOMIDE ~~~~~ That is a very BIG CLUE as to why the baby was born deformed! Whether there is/was also a curse laid on that family or not may also apply, but this clue gives the best explanation of the family 'secret'....... happydance thumbsup laugh I might have 'caught on' the first time I played this game if I had paid attention to that along with the letters and journals scattered throughout the house... eek As you can tell I am replaying this and taking more particular attention to the clues that I saw and did not 'read rightly' before, so maybe it will make more sense to me now..... laugh woozy
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#120661 - 03/24/06 09:20 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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bravo Betty Lou, you are a genius! I'm on my third time through and still didn't read the bottles. Thank You..... THALIDOMIDE I'll be d____d. Now, have we all figured out who has been tossing the meat and what the cat (Which wasn't eaten) has to do with anything?
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#120662 - 03/24/06 11:18 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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What cat? I'd better reload this and play again.

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#120663 - 03/25/06 12:10 AM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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Originally posted by Betty Lou Brewer Jones:
OH! OH! OH! I missed THAT the first time around!!!Did anyone else of you actually READ the label on those medicine/injection medication bottles??? It says TADADADUM!!!!!!*********THALIDOMIDE ~~~~~ That is a very BIG CLUE as to why the baby was born deformed! Whether there is/was also a curse laid on that family or not may also apply, but this clue gives the best explanation of the family 'secret'
I still don't get it.... help . What is Thalidomide?
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#120664 - 03/25/06 01:11 AM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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Thalidomide = "was first marketed in Europe in the late 1950's. It was used as a sleeping pill and to treat morning sickness due to pregnancy". It was later discovered that it caused birth defects and many law suits resulted - I think the discovery of its bad effects was within the first 2-5 years of its usage....
Thanks for the "genius" "pat on the back", it was so funny when I got to that dresser drawer, opened it and glanced at those bottles, started to close the drawer and did a double-take as I caught the first 4 or 5 letters of the name on the bottles, hard to read, but a closer look with some "focus Betty, focus" words in my ear I figured out what it said. At first (the first time I played this) I thought they were something like Insulin for diabetics.....it went right over my head! Hubby says that he could see the 'light bulb' over my head flashing when I jumped up and danced around the room..... rotfl What a feeling when this 'revelation' hit me laugh THIS is what makes a game like this so much FUN! Feeling good about my 'discovery'....wonder how many others missed that CLUE? wink
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#120665 - 03/25/06 01:14 AM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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Cat? I don't remember a cat in this game or any mention of one, but will pay closer attention now and make sure I don't miss it or mention of it...
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#120666 - 03/25/06 01:23 AM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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I could be wrong as frequently I am but I don't think the Doctor and Catherine had an affair....the doctor was in agony because he helped James spirit the deformed baby away to a 'cell' somewhere in the house (a secret room somewhere where they kept it alive and allowed him to 'grow up'), kept this a secret from Catherine, and when Catherine was killed they buried her in the yard and faked her burial in the crypt, James was arrested and convicted of her death (wonder why or how the authorities did that, then, without a body, or was her body then released for burial after James' trial?) and James went to prison, (where he died?). The doctor promised James he would destroy the child but couldn't bring himself to do it him being a doctor and all but suffered for years because of the whole mess he had become involved in for his friend James. Also James had resigned himself to being accused so as to 'protect' his son and the doctor had promised to go along with this too. A lot to think about in this game and several opinions occur as to what was really going on.
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#120667 - 03/25/06 05:59 AM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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With Skyros' and Betty Lou's comment about Thalidomide, it's clear that we significantly different generations playing the game. How neat is that? As for the cat, I may have my games mixed up (That happens more often lately) but didn't we run across a dead, but in no way mangled or mauled, cat somewhere? I think it was in the crypt. I don't even know if it means anything because the game is full of wonderfully pointless red herrings. (e.g. the music box with the crystal rose)
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#120668 - 03/25/06 08:12 AM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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Yes, there was a dead cat in one of the coffins in the crypt. I kept waiting for an explanation on that one too!

I didn't notice the Thalidomide bottles, well done Betty Lou! thumbsup
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#120669 - 03/25/06 09:40 AM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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BettyLou I loved reading your summary, now could I ask you a question......
do you think the baby was the Doctors baby and that is why the Doctor could not bring himself to destroy the baby? poor thing
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#120670 - 03/25/06 10:30 AM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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No, Leeana, I believe the baby was James and Catherine's, she taking the Thalidomide during her pregnancy to ease morning sickness or to help her sleep....AND I believe the doctor could not bring himself to destroy the newborn infant, deformed or not, because he is a doctor and took the Hipocratic Oath, and really believed in it - "first, do no harm" was engraved on his soul, so to speak. Does that make sense? I did not get the feeling at all that the doctor and Catherine had had an affair or that the doctor was in love with her or she him - wonder why so many others got that impression.... think and the doctor also agonized over the fact that he let James go to prison for a murder he did not commit, and James was his good friend and he promised to 'take care' of the disposition of the deformed, monstrous child but then could not make himself kill it and dispose of it for James. So he did the only thing and the best thing he could, he fed it and kept it alive and away from the outside world for as long as he was mentally able to do so.....then took up drinking to ease his mental and emotional pain. Does all that make sense to you?
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#120671 - 03/25/06 10:41 AM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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Betty Lou, I thoroughly enjoy your theories and am more intrigued by the game because of them. However, all that being said, who has been feeding the "thing in the basement"??? (The meat is reasonably fresh!) That seems to be be a key question if we're going to keep the entire explanation rational and assume that there are no supernatural elemnets here.
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#120672 - 03/25/06 10:52 AM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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That is a good question, Haze. And I am not sure I can come up with an answer only some speculation. Let's see, the house has been 'empty' for several years since the good doctor left the area or died from his alcoholism....another family owned it for a while but did not live in it (?) and the construction that was begun was never finished by anyone. The house was put on the market so the 'baby' lived there down below all by himself. Maybe he found a way up through the house to what food was there, then started wandering around the 'estate' eating small animals? It is never said if he was spotted in the area or if other pets or people went missing during all that time, so I am not sure just how that works out. What do the rest of you think? Since we do not actually know what happened to the doctor, maybe he died there and was 'food' for that creature. Did you notice the perfectly clean bones in that awful refrigerator? They were cleaned off pretty good to my way of thinking. Interesting to see what you all come up with too.
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#120673 - 03/25/06 11:51 AM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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A couple more things I have 'discovered' or am paying more attention now to what I read and see - in Catherine's bedroom dresser there is a picture of Catherine, pregnant, the glass is cracked...and in another drawer there is a pocket watch you can look at and the time is 4 o'clock, don't know what that means. Also, realize I did not pay careful attention when I read the newspaper dated May 25 1963, Catherine and James were married 30 years or more when she was killed - I just assumed (first time I played) she was killed at a much younger age....so the 'baby' was 'full grown' when he killed his mother! Sure fills in the story for me now a bit.
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#120674 - 03/25/06 12:48 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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Thanks Betty Lou I do now understand it took a while but I pieced it together smile thanks
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#120675 - 03/25/06 08:14 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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Well done Betty Lou! I had come up with the same idea that the creature was Robin and that he had killed Catherine, the doctor and, I believe, James. I thought he was the way he was due to the curse of the mask not being trapped again due to the amulet ceremony not being performed and because James had stolen the mask.

I missed seeing the Thalidomide label on the medicine bottle. That explains the whole mystery in my book.
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#120676 - 03/26/06 11:01 AM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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I need some help now figuring out this part of this mystery - according to the newspaper from 1963, the year Catherine was killed, she and James had been married 30 years...assuming she was about 20 years old when they married, that would mean she was about 48 years old when she had her first and only child - I know this is not impossible TODAY but in the 60's? Almost unheard of.....how does that fit with this story? Did the 'story-writer' mess up on this? Even assuming Catherine was only 17 or 18 in 1933 it is not likely she married at that age in those times, is it? This is totally confusing to me. What do you all think? think
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#120677 - 03/26/06 01:01 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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Hi all--

finished this yesterday and I'm supposed to be cooking breakfast, but I need to make a few comments:

Betty Lou: good eye spotting the thalidomide. I couldn't make out the lables at all. That was one of my complaints about this game: the writing was all too small. And I think you should have been able to examine those bottles mroe closely.

If you look at the dates on the plaques in the crypt, you will see that Catherine was born in 1910. That means she became pregnant at the age of 50 (the baby was born in 1961). I don't think this works for me. She looked much younger in the picture. James's dates are 1908-1963, BTW.

I think you're supposed to get that the monster child ripped her throat out, but he would have been only 2 at the time, so that also doesn't make sense to me.

I actually think the doctor and Catherine knew about concealing the child, but James didn't, at least not at first. Because in the letter, the doctor talks about "what we did" and seems to imply that knowing about it would send James further round the bend.

BUT I don't think enough of a connection was drawn between the mask and the monster. Or, too much was and then it didn't play out. Was it 2 separate issues? Did the presence of the mask actually have anything to do with the child's being born strange? Or did being locked up in the house alone (for how long? the date on Jerry's letter to Michael is 1976, btw, so the kid would only be 15 at that point. How long had the dr. been missing?) with the mask drive Robin crazy? Or what? You're led to a correlation, but then they almost seem different. dunno. I have to eat.

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#120678 - 03/26/06 02:07 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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okay, I'm back. I spent breakfast discussing this with my husband; both of us ended up feeling very unsatisfied with this game, and it mostly had to do with the two storylines not coming together adequately. Was the story "the evil god in the mask?" or was it "the monster in the cellar?" I'm not saying it couldn't be both. Just, as things turned out the two were discursive.

Another thing that bothered me was, there were so many contrived dificulties that didn't really tie into the plot. Like the whole candle business. It was so glaringly obvious that there were NO CANDLES anywhere. Particularly with the hoards of candleabra in every room. I really thought there should have been some significance to this. But as it turned out, the only reason for it was so that you wouldn't go into the cellar the first night. Michael made such a huge deal about not wanting to wander around in a dark unfamiliar place. But then, absence of light didn't really prevent him from doing so at all! So what was the point? I think it would have been much spookier if he could have lit a single candle. You could easily have prevented him from going into the cellar with a draft that blew the candle out--after all, the whole place was virtually open to the outside. Then he could have decided he needed to wait until he could light his shielded lantern.

The absence of candles made it seem that there should have been some huge significance when you finally made it into the chapel and found that one stub on the altar, too. But there was nothing in it.

There was really nothing in the story to convince me that James was mad at all. The doctor thought he was, because of James's insistence on the evil of the mask. But if you take away the a priori assumption that buying into African cultism indicated madness, the whole thing falls apart. And I think the way the story played out, you're almost supposed to come to the conclusion that James WASN't mad. I mean, the doctor's journals indicate that he eventually understood that there was something evil about the mask. So James was just doing what was necessary to avert the evil. Or would have if he hadn't died.

I guess I would have liked it better if Michael had made some mention, at the end, like, "The scratching noises are still going on even after I used the amulet! There's more here than I thought!" Or something. As it was, the cellar bit just kind of seemed tacked on. Back to the question of, two stories or one story? There was too much implied connection for me to think of them as truly separate, but not enough for me to think of them as related.

picky detail: why could you only look at the details of those two Bosch paintings in the upstairs hall? I kept expecting that to be relevant, hold a clue to something. Because every other picture in the place, you could zoom in on the whole thing. Why not those two?

blah blah blah,

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#120679 - 03/26/06 03:43 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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A real interesting catch on the thalidomide, Betty Lou.

As far as the "child monster" ripping the throat out of the mother at the tender age of 2, I suppose one could swallow that if one were to believe that the spirit of the child was imbued with the powers of the evil entity of the mask and thus had superhuman abilities. But if we are to believe that, it doesn't mesh very well with the thalidomide explanation of how they ended up with a beastly baby.

Hmm.....

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#120680 - 03/26/06 07:08 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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Originally posted by Betty Lou Brewer Jones:
I need some help now figuring out this part of this mystery - according to the newspaper from 1963, the year Catherine was killed, she and James had been married 30 years...assuming she was about 20 years old when they married, that would mean she was about 48 years old when she had her first and only child - I know this is not impossible TODAY but in the 60's? Almost unheard of.....how does that fit with this story? Did the 'story-writer' mess up on this? Even assuming Catherine was only 17 or 18 in 1933 it is not likely she married at that age in those times, is it? This is totally confusing to me. What do you all think? think
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I know for a fact that it is possible. My childhood friend was born in 1953 --- her mother
(an Italian nurse) was 51 when she gave birth to her. So it is definitely possible -- a rare possibility, I will grant you, but possible none the less.

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#120681 - 03/26/06 07:20 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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As I said earlier, if you check Catherine's dates in the crypt, she would have been 50 when she became pregnant and 51 when the child was born. I think it's totally possible and not too unusual. After all, Eleanor of Aquitaine was 46 when she gave birth to Prince John. And her age would have explained why they took extra care with her pregnancy (the thalidomide), why it was difficult and also possibly why the child might have had some birth defects (even without the thalidomide).

But the question remains for me: Does one believe that Catherine had a beastly baby and the whole thing was covered up (like Rochester's mad wife in the attic), that James just supposed it was the curse operating, and that the baby got more beastly as time passed through neglect or imprisonment? Or was it the curse of the mask playing out?

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#120682 - 03/26/06 09:22 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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I'm replaying this again to try to pick up on more hints. Someone mentioned here James went to prison, but he didn't. Remember, there was no autopsy and the police were not allowed to dig in the yard.

Also, reading the flyers in the attic, the doctor bought 3 pieces of meat from a butcher shop in 1970, so he was around at least 7 years after Catherine died. Also, why was his bank account still open and being used? I wonder who was using it?

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#120683 - 03/26/06 09:53 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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Betty Lou: that was very impressive. Congratulations! I never thought anyone would ever bump into that clue, but you did it and neatly explained its relation with the story. Bravo!

For those who want to believe into something supernatural and how the mask ordeal ties with the story: watch the ending sequence again. Carefully.
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#120684 - 03/27/06 01:32 AM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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Having this discussion has made my enjoyment of the game itself so much better. A couple of points - the meat that was ordered in 1970 could and probably was ordered by the doctor since James died of a heart attack in 1963 before he was arrested - and yes you are right, James was not incarcerated, his death came before the authorities had time to pursue him as a suspect, remember, they were not allowed access to the house and grounds and never did see Catherine's body and no autopsy was performed. Another thing I know (now) is that Catherine and the doctor kept the baby's survival of birth a secret from James as he was in an emotional state over what he perceived as the African curse-of-the-mask. However, I deduce that James became aware of the child at the time of his wife's death, hard for the doctor to explain that away to James otherwise. So maybe it was the doctor who was seen burying Catherine in the garden, not James - sounds like James was in a fragile mental state and not able to function well enough to bury his wife and continue to conceal the child. However, what I don't understand is this: from the phone call Michael makes to the bank to determine if James Blackwood's accounts were still active, he finds out they were but never does find out who is accessing those accounts, i.e., withdrawing monies from time to time (perhaps to buy more meat for the 'monster'?). Something I missed the first time I played this was at the very end in the basement near that hole in the wall, I totally missed seeing the half gnawed fresh meat lying there, saw it this time, so the 'monster' is getting his meals from somewhere - wonder if any of the neighbors are missing? Oh, and the 'speculation' that James was still alive when his body is actually in the crypt and Catherine is buried in the garden without a coffin, guess that played out correctly and fits OK. Can't say I am totally satisfied with the ending, unless it is 'dangling the carrot' that there could be a sequel of the creatures further 'adventures' smile laugh lol
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#120685 - 03/27/06 01:35 AM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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Oh, I am so delighted with my find on the meds and accept all your 'pats on the back' with a very good feeling! Thanks
Love, Betty Lou
P.S. I'm not always so smart and usually feel pretty dense rotfl
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#120686 - 03/27/06 01:13 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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Congrats, Betty Lou! I'd also missed that. *wild applause*

To further clarify thalidomide (there were some questions about it a few pages back), it was originally developed as a sedative; when it was discovered that a side effect of the drug was the prevention of morning sickness, it was then prescribed to pregnant women (with the horrifying results that others have already gone into).

For the intensely curious, it's now being resurrected in clinical trials as a potential treatment for HIV.

And I have to say this, because I haven't seen anyone else mention it (I know many people don't have this issue) -- while I thoroughly enjoyed the story, the graphics, the music, etc., what really impresses me is the game engine. I appreciate the fact that there's an option to put the game in slideshow mode, but what I really appreciate is the fact that it's unnecessary to do so. This is literally the first game I've played where the "panoramic" cursor did not make me nauseous.

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#120687 - 03/27/06 01:46 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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Now, have we all figured out who has been tossing the meat and what the cat (Which [b]wasn't eaten) has to do with anything? [/b]
The meat has was tossed in by Dr. Milton. You can find a reciept for meat cuts amongst the scraps of paper in the attic, and the date on the reciept is after the day James died, and is the same year Dr. Milton dissapears.

Remember how you needed something to make the amulet that represented a god? I believe the dead cat in the cemetary is a previous attempt by either Milton or James to make the amulet themselves.

Did anyone else notice an outline of a body, possibly a woman, imprinted in the mud in Robin's cell? I thought I saw one but perhaps I was looking too hard.

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#120688 - 03/27/06 02:47 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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think O.K,. I haven't enjoyed a thread this much ......ever. I also agree with and appreciate all that has been said BUT Why does everyone seem to accept that idea that James is an innocent victim and that poor Robin killed Catherine. What if James, victimized by the curse, actually was the murderer? He, as a result of being overexposed to the mask, actually went nuts and attacked his wife; ripping out her throat and killing her, just as the African tribe did to their victims. The doctor, seeing his friend as 'cursed', took the mask from the case; hid and locked it in the secret storeroom and hid the truth. Poor Robin was, in fact, simply poor Robin. He was a malformed child who was ignored and abhorred by his father and cared for, barely, by the doctor. This inserts a bit more "Supernatural" material; cleans up Betty Lou's time lines a bit; and may still leave the mask and curse hanging over Blackstone Manor. I sort of like having this old haunted place get older and still be haunted. As for Robin, he still lives in the basement in the dark. (It's dark because he's already burned all the candles in the place, except for one in the church which he didn't know existed!)
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#120689 - 03/27/06 03:51 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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Haze, I thought for a long time that James was Catherine's killer via the mask's curse. I can still see that this scenario would fit as well. Given Robin's proclivity to enjoy raw meat though, I now believe that he is Catherine's killer and Dr. Milton's as well.
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#120690 - 03/27/06 05:17 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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I don't want to 'beat a dead horse' but other thoughts 'creep into my mind' when I read the comments by you all here - I accept that either Robin or James killed Catherine, but lean towards Robin being the 'guilty party'...Remember that Catherine and the doctor were hiding and caring for the baby and kept that knowledge (that Robin was in fact alive, not dead or stillborn) from James at least up until the age of 2 when Catherine was killed. What I don't understand is who has been feeding Robin since the good doctor disappeared or died, he has been dead a while now, don't know when he actually died. So where is Robin getting his meals from and where will he get them from from now on, he obviously does not have a functioning brain to allow him to telephone the market for supplies and use his fathers bank account, so who is using it or has been using it most recently in stead of the good doctor? Someone obviously has withdrawn money from that bank account very recently - there is fresh meat in the basement only partly eaten and it must have come from somewhere....
Love, Betty Lou
I have to say I really am enjoying this in depth discussion of this game a great deal - thanks for participating and sharing your ideals. :kiss:
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#120691 - 03/27/06 05:19 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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Oh, is THAT what happened to all the candles? Never did figure that one out so thanks Haze, solves another piece of my 'puzzle' for me.
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#120692 - 03/27/06 05:59 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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Is there actually evidence in Robin's cell that he's been burning candles? How would he light them? Is he civilised to the point of using fire? Would he care? I think of him as nocturnal, as night seems to be when he's been active.

I also like the thought of the scratching noises being Robin trying to dig his way out. That makes sense to me. But as for who's been maintaining him--well, I still ask if we have a date of the Dr.'s disappearance? I remember Jerry saying that he'd become the town drunk and then vanished, but when? I keep thinking of that coffee cup by the Dr.'s journal in the sitting room. When you click on it, Michael said, "I wonder how long that cup of coffee has been sitting there?" But if it had been VERY long, wouldn't all the coffee have evaporated? So wouldn't the comment have been more like, "the residue in the bottom indicates that this cup once held coffee"?

Maybe that's spliting hairs...

I just don't recall seeing anything in the final scene to connect Robin and the mask, but I sure could have missed it--I was mostly hiding behind a pillow at the time!

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#120693 - 03/27/06 06:31 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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Here it is; my final bit of inspiration. Robin, the baby, is dead. He died a long time ago and the creature is, in fact, the doctor(!) He was transformed by the mask into what we saw in the basement. He didn't try to defend himself from it because he didn't believe. No one has been feeding him because he can fend for himself, and he is aware enough to use candles. There is still no reason to assume that he know about the secret room in the church so he never got that one. Also, he can't leave because, like Gollum and the ring, he is supernaturally connected to the mask and the house. Now that our hero has broken the mask's power, who knows what might happen. (Are we considering this story or what?)
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#120694 - 03/27/06 06:32 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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What I don't understand is who has been feeding Robin since the good doctor disappeared or died, he has been dead a while now, don't know when he actually died. So where is Robin getting his meals from and where will he get them from from now on, he obviously does not have a functioning brain to allow him to telephone the market for supplies and use his fathers bank account, so who is using it or has been using it most recently in stead of the good doctor? Someone obviously has withdrawn money from that bank account very recently - there is fresh meat in the basement only partly eaten and it must have come from somewhere....
I'm still believing that the Doctor was alive (at least until recently.) He probably only left the house because he couldn't handle being in there all alone anymore, with his internal demons and supposed external ones as well. The journal in the living room suggests he wanted to take off. He just comes back to feed Robyn now and again.

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I just don't recall seeing anything in the final scene to connect Robin and the mask, but I sure could have missed it--I was mostly hiding behind a pillow at the time!
Think about what you were looking at during the credits.

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#120695 - 03/27/06 07:11 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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So......all are really neat theories .....but where is the maid? That letter to her Mom never reached the appointed round, did it?

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#120696 - 03/27/06 08:27 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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woozy eek woozy O.K. Inferno, you've done it again. So maybe the body in the ground wasn't Catherine at all! There are bones, of apparently human origin, in the refrigerator and in the basement. There is also an empty coffin which isn't supposed to be empty and the creature has apparently been reasonably well fed..... That's it; I'm going to play ECHO because Mr. Bill told me I should and I'm going to forget Scratches for a while. I've never thought so much about a game after I played it three times. Now I'll have to play it again and become even more confused. wave By the way, thanks to all who allowed me to spout off and kept it fun. There's another thread on another site where they are opening veins and spewing vitriol. This has been much better.
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#120697 - 03/27/06 10:05 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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So......all are really neat theories .....but where is the maid? That letter to her Mom never reached the appointed round, did it?
It might have. Remember, we just used the pencil to create an outline of the last thing written on that paper pad.

I think it's more than possible that the maid
a) took the picture of the wife incident.
b) made two copies, one that she took to the police, and one she hid in her secret compartment for safe keeping.
c) went to the police, and then decided to go home. Think about it: you just witness your boss burying his murdered wife and the police can't manage to charge him, or even get on the property. Would you then decide to go back to work, or go back and pick up some odds and ends. Likely she never returned.

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#120698 - 03/28/06 02:46 AM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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What I don't understand is who has been feeding Robin since the good doctor disappeared or died, he has been dead a while now, don't know when he actually died. So where is Robin getting his meals from and where will he get them from from now on, he obviously does not have a functioning brain to allow him to telephone the market for supplies and use his fathers bank account, so who is using it or has been using it most recently in stead of the good doctor? Someone obviously has withdrawn money from that bank account very recently - there is fresh meat in the basement only partly eaten and it must have come from somewhere....
Remember that the bank account is still active. Someone could have placed an on-going order with the butcher's for fresh meat to be delivered every few days, and with the bank to allow the butcher's bills to be paid automatically and unconditionally. The delivery person could even have been instructed to drop it down a hatch. They don't have to know the place is deserted, as long as the bill gets paid they just keep on delivering.
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#120699 - 03/28/06 03:48 AM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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As Inferno said the maid never had the time to send the letter to her beloved mom and she also left all her belongings in the house even her beloved photos! So she must have left in real hurry or more likely been forced away from this world. That would explain why there is a female skeleton in James coffin.
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#120700 - 03/28/06 10:23 AM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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I have never enjoyed a discussion of a game or a book as much as I am this one. So many theories and ideas that I never even thought of. This is helping me get through my anxiousness about 2 games on their way to me and not arriving yet - can only crochet so many hats in one day! Need to keep 'busy' as usual. But I am having a chuckle or two over your offerings and it sure makes one think, think, think - ah, 'brain power', its a wonderful thing! Or as Martha says, "it's a good thing". laugh I believe the maid's letters is just the pages on the pad which the letter was written on, since I had to use the pencil to bring up the words as they were only indentations, not faded writing (at least that is what I believe, how would one restore faded writing by pencil-scribbling on top of them?). How clever of the maid to have written her mom in French so the Blackwoods and the doctor could not (one assumes) read it! What is the tipoff that the remains in James' coffin is female? The garment it has on looks like a burlap shroud or loose gown of some sort...if that is true then I missed that clue. I like the idea that the butcher was delivering meat on a regular basis and billing the bank account for his payment until the funds run out....I also like the idea of a sequel for us to find out what the creature does from here on out...does it live FOREVER? Gotta go make a phone call now, be back later.
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#120701 - 03/28/06 10:41 AM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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What is the tipoff that the remains in James' coffin is female? The garment it has on looks like a burlap shroud or loose gown of some sor
For me, it was that the garment looked like a shirt, but with no front opening -- men don't wear shirts like that, and since Catherine's body turned up elsewhere, I assumed the body in the crypt was the maid's. But as Augustin pointed out (here or elsewhere, I forget), the maid was hardly likely to have stuck around. I don't know why, but "shroud" never occurred to me.

Back to the bank account...if James's account is still active, and Milton didn't seem to have access to it (to judge from the hard time the bank gave to Michael when he pretended to be Milton), does that mean that James is still alive, and Milton's dead? (I'm still trying to reconcile people with bodies.)

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#120702 - 03/28/06 11:50 AM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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When did Michael pretend to be Milton? When I had that conversation, he pretended to be an associate from the hospital. And I never was able to find out about the bank account at all!

I think it really is James in the coffin, it's catherine in the ground, the Dr. is still around someplace and the maid went home. ANyway, someone knows what's going on--hence the eviction notice.

hey, kuddles-okay, I was looking at the conservatory during the credits. So? I don't get it. duh

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#120703 - 03/28/06 12:21 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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Are you out there The Haze???? Betty Lou???? WyseWoman??? Polo Diablo???? Kuddles???? and all the rest???


Has anyone not called the bank number until the last possible moment? Right before you descend in the lounge? Hmmmmmnnnn???????

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#120704 - 03/28/06 12:30 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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I don't recall exactly when I called the bank, but it wasn't right at the last minute; it may have even been Day 2, and one of the options I had in talking with the banker was calling myself "Dr. Christopher Milton, a close friend of the family, and I demand some respect!"

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okay, I was looking at the conservatory during the credits. So? I don't get it.
Yeah, I'm lost too.

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#120705 - 03/28/06 12:33 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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I am one of the beta-testers infernoj13usa, just trying to supply some alternative explanations here and there, to clear up some of the confusion. Not saying that what I suggest might have happened is the absolute truth or what Nucleosys had in mind. smile

Yes, I did call the bank and know all the possible dialogue-options.
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#120706 - 03/28/06 01:55 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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If the meat was tossed down the grate in the fireplace then it would end up in the tunnel not the prison. And the door was bolted so Robin couldn't get to it.

If the doctor (or Blackwood?) climbed down the ladder into the tunnel why did they need a hole in the furnace as well.

If Robin has dug a tunnel, and needed to break through the wall to get to the earth, why didn't he break through the wall next to the door and escape that way.

Were the scratches the sound of the doctor feeding Robin at night via the furnace. Was he hiding in the house...
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#120707 - 03/28/06 02:54 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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I called the bank early Monday morning and got a clerk (named Robert Blake, strangely enough) who wasn't helpful and threatened to call the police! I tried calling again later several times, but Michael always said, "I don't want to push my luck!" and hung up.

I guess from what you're saying, Inferno, you get different options if you wait until later. But it seemed obvious to me that investigating the bank account was necessary, so I did it first thing.

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#120708 - 03/28/06 04:46 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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To wysewomon; If you still have the game loaded, you might save a game before you go to the grate and then make that phone call several times. You'll speak to Robert Blake every time, but you can follow the different paths and become even more confused as you learn even more.

To Inferno; I'm still here, but I am embarking on a quest. I am about to play this game again, but this time I have three pages of notes before I start the game. That hasn't happened since I played "Space Invaders" on my Atari game. I will either solve some things to my satisfaction (Or simply drive myself nuts)

think I wonder now if we all don't need to re-evaluate the game. We all said it was good, but if a game can get a large number of evidently smart adults confused and frustrated while not getting them hostile or angry, perhaps we need to consider applying the word great. I was never so MYSTified by a game before.
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#120709 - 03/28/06 05:15 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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What kind of notes did you need to play Space Invaders?? woozy

Bella is right and the mystery behind the maid has been solved - she obviously got away and made it to the police. Remember that you don't pick the letter per se, which we can assume successfully arrived to its destination, but only a paper with some markings.

The clue you all seem to be surprisingly missing can be seen during the final sequence. It's not the growing flowers, although they can be significant as someone pointed out, but something else, a small detail, maybe just a strange illusion... yet something that could confirm one of the theories.

It's right in front of your eyes.


Has anyone pondered about the significance of the phone number on the newspaper?
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#120710 - 03/28/06 07:20 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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Oh, so much to think about here! Yes, I wondered about who wrote the telephone number on the newspaper (?Bailey?) and why....I too called the bank at the time Mag's w/t indicated it and pretended to be Dr. Milton, never gave a thought to trying to be anyone else or calling more than once, thought I had 'picked up' enough info to KNOW that the account was still open and active and had LOTS of money in it, but could not determine if there were deposits being made from anyone. I am so thrilled to know you guys are 'getting a kick' out of this ongoing discussion....I just love it! And I am seeing other ideas being 'put out' there for me to contemplate, more questions asked and some with possible answers or 'different paths' to take in summarizing this game. I can just see the person or team who wrote the 'script' for this one sitting there having a good chuckle over all the clues and tossing in some red herrings and enjoying a good laugh cause the 'joke's on you(us)'...would love to have one of them come forward and steer us towards the 'truth' of it all. Watching the credits at the end? May have to go back there and read them all again, I tend to skip them and just exit the game, maybe I missed something important?
Rael, there is a significant clue in the ending sequence, something right in my face, and I don't see it or cannot interpret it? Have seen the end of the game twice only now and MUST have MISSED whatever you are talking about - you are 'dangling the carrot' again! think mmmmm laugh
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#120711 - 03/28/06 07:30 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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Has anyone pondered about the significance of the phone number on the newspaper?
You mean the police chief's phone number? I just thought it made sense for them to have the number of the man investigating it. Are you suggesting I'm not thinking hard enough about it?

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#120712 - 03/28/06 07:40 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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No, but who wrote the number on the newspaper? and why? Catherine is dead, James is crazy or dead and the doctor is trying to keep the secret of the monster 'child' from the outside world, but someone wrote that telephone number on the paper and stored those newspapers in the attic, who I wonder and why? (I know, we needed those clues in that place and at the time but that fact should not enter into the game 'story') Was someone else investigating the mystery of this mansion before I (Michael) came along and bought the house and moved in?
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#120713 - 03/28/06 09:27 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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I have some thoughts about what happened in the game and I am trying to string them together to form a loose, very young theory. I was hoping some of you could add input.

In the end, after Michael drives off in his car, we travel back to the lair beneath Blackwood Manor. After a moment, the camera begins to travel from the corner by the table, through the room, into the hole, through the long tunnel, up toward the light, fade to black, still scene of greenhouse with flowers in bloom, and roll credits. Watching this scene reminded me of the metaphor often used to describe birth (death too). This led me to thinking that maybe what we were seeing were events yet to unfold. That thought reminded me of the page Michael wrote for his book while staying in the house. On that page his heroine Marian is describing what I assumed to be her daughter. It reads....

"...but Marian wasn't seeing Cathy. Her memories haunted her back and displaced reality giving room to the vision she had spent months trying to forget ever since her visit to the old house."

To paraphrase the rest, Marian goes on to remember seeing Cathy emerge from a passage way (womb) small face contorted in a grimace (much as a baby looks right after birth). It goes on to say,

"A ghost would come from the past, but what she had seen came from the---"

My guess is that word is future. Maybe the house is some sort of metaphor for life or mankind...... .....(voice trails off uncomfortably) duh


Any thoughts?

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#120714 - 03/28/06 09:49 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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woozy So, another country heard from... We've had rational and practical; supernatural; and now we get metaphysical. I can't wait to play this again and answer all my questions so that I can post them on here and have people politely and correctly show me I'm not quite right.

Note to Rael; You posted your birth year as 1980. I bought Atari five years before that to play Asteroids and Space Invaders. I was the first guy on my block to have any sort of post-Pong video game. We took notes; kept score on paper; and wrote letters on a typewriter. (All this means, of course, is that I am old!) happydance

Note to Kuddles; You can call that number if you like.
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#120715 - 03/28/06 11:46 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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The clue you all seem to be surprisingly missing can be seen during the final sequence. It's not the growing flowers, although they can be significant as someone pointed out, but something else, a small detail, maybe just a strange illusion... yet something that could confirm one of the theories.
Having played through it 3 times now - it must be a rather subtle clue.

It wouldn

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#120716 - 03/28/06 11:55 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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Note to Kuddles; You can call that number if you like.
Yeah, I called. In fact, I think that one is mandatory. But Agustin's post suggested there was more to it.

You're right about this game, though. I don't think I've ever spent more time discussing theories about a video game. Some movies I have, but games? Pretty impressive when you think that several different theories can exist and they all have substantial evidence behind them.

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#120717 - 03/29/06 12:33 AM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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woozy So, another country heard from... We've had rational and practical; supernatural; and now we get metaphysical.
It appears I might be regarded as an entire other planet heard from. laugh

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#120718 - 03/29/06 01:11 AM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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Welcome to this discussion Shelby and you thoughts are interesting and thought provoking....and if you are right I suggest it means there is to be a sequel somehow....
Age here is not important, and isn't it interesting that we on GB have very young (under 20 yrs) players all the way up to over 80 year old players and we find EVERYONE interesting and fun - I myself was born in 1936, turned 70 last month and I dearly love my computer and these games. Crafty? yes, I guess I am, like my crafts, make all my own springnsummer hats and crochet caps (head warmers) for chemotheraphy patients. Like to make my own jewelry to match my outfits too. Love to crochet. Love to read. ALSO LOVE to TALK! rotfl
Still wondering who would note the policemans telephone number on that newspaper - perhaps the maid since she made the report of the murder to the police, then how did those newspapers end up stored in the attic?
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#120719 - 03/29/06 04:37 AM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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thumbsup Shelby, just so there are no misunderstandings; I like metaphysical and welcome your ideas. The true fun of this whole thread, and this whole game, is that as soon as I'm sure I know what's going on, someone suggests a different and usually better interpretation. Thanks for the new concepts and keep those ideas coming. Now, could someone please tell me what I missed in the credits. I've watched 'em three times but can't get any direct connections to anything.
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#120720 - 03/29/06 09:53 AM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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I would like to know too, I seem to be missing whatever it is. Shelby, so glad you joined us, the more the merrier, and I never thought I would be the one to 'start something' with my posting the discovery of the Thalidomide....what fun! laugh
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#120721 - 03/29/06 12:00 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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My only assumption is that Agustin is talking about those creepy glowing eyes you see in the dark before Robin jumps out at you. It matches what was described in the journal about the tribe.

Okay, I replayed the ending sequence again, and I didn't notice any difference by phoning the bank at the last possible minute.

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#120722 - 03/29/06 12:33 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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What does the journal say about creepy glowing eyes? I thought that was just...you know, the normal sort of looking into a dark crevice and seeing creepy glowing eyes. laugh

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#120723 - 03/29/06 12:34 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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oh, PS--how did you all manage to follow all the conversation options for the bank call? I picked "christopher milton" first and after that was over I could never get anything else.

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#120724 - 03/29/06 02:33 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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wink I read somewhere (It's not something I discovered.) that you have to save your game just before you make the phone call; and it must be after 9:00 on the last day. Once you choose one phone path, the game won't let you choose another. Make a call; choose a path, finish; quit; reload ; make another call; choose a different path. Note, in my opinion this won't clarify anything. It simply gives you more materials and details to be confused about. Isn't that what we all really like about this game??
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#120725 - 03/29/06 05:14 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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This game surely has taken us all down many different paths - and the creepy glowing eyes in the dark 'hole', I did not find it unusual in a scary creepy game like this - reminded me of the same glowing eyes in Shivers 1, scared the bejeepers out of me then, took it in stride this time and did not 'read' any special clue into it....did I miss something here? Was it the glowing eyes being referred to? or something else.
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#120726 - 03/29/06 07:01 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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I think we are missing something --- Agustin gave us a clue

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#120727 - 03/29/06 07:10 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but was there a bone down there? Kinda big? Human-like?

I deleted all my saved games so I can't go back to it...Hmmmm, I'll have to load it up again, but I must be strong and finish some other things first. whistle

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#120728 - 03/29/06 07:30 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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Oh, I see it now. Took a screen capture. Will process it.

Edit: Hope this will be okay with Rael. I will post the pictures after I lightened them a bit.

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#120729 - 03/29/06 07:39 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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My theory is that the good doctor got it at the end. Saw michael there, had the eviction notice sent, then went back to check on Robin. Only this time Robin attacked him. I think it would explain the freshness of the blood (red, not brown). Of course this all depends on whether or not there is a bone there and it is indeed human.

PS - No insider info here. I'm speculating just like you guys are! wave

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#120730 - 03/29/06 07:54 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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I think this is the better one - Note foreground.

EDIT: That's a lion! eek

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#120731 - 03/29/06 08:00 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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#120732 - 03/29/06 08:47 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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LOL this is fun! There's no way Robin killed Milton - remember he's in a cell and you definitely find the door locked when you arrive. The only way he could have grabbed Milton is from the window, but there would have been remains outside. In any case, someone has explained very well what occurred: Milton couldn't take it any longer and made arrangements to leave and never have to worry about his dilemma ever again. Pretty disturbing move though, considering the state in which he left Robin - a fate worse than death.

The above reasoning is a bit tied with the phone number I mentioned - who and why wrote it down? Re-read the very first notes you find...

As for that missing clue... I'm feeling nice today, so here you go:

Not just glowing eyes...
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#120733 - 03/29/06 09:20 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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Hmmmm, cats eyes....

Now Agustin, I accept that Robin did not kill Dr. Milton since you wrote the thing...but saying there would have been remains outside the window is kind of hard for us to be able to determine since we couldn't explore those parts of the outside of the house (unless I missed it).

Lets see, cats eyes on who we assume to be Robin, lions claw...seems like the supernatural line is coming more into play.

What is that mound on the floor in the middle of the floor in Mags pic?

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#120734 - 03/29/06 09:37 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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Think about the structure of the house and it becomes very apparent the placement of those windows. The remains would have been very, very visible. But there's even another fact - remember the invoice. The meat was being thrown through the most accessible window...

Surprising how the supernatural line can fit so well. Could it be that nothing happened when the amulet was used on the mask... because the spirit was somewhere else?

If it wasn't for that Thalidomide...

PS: I've no idea what that mound is!!
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#120735 - 03/29/06 10:03 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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If the makers of the game are following this thread they must be laughing themselves silly over all the questions and answers being posted.
I am!
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#120736 - 03/29/06 10:20 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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Could it be that nothing happened when the amulet was used on the mask... because the spirit was somewhere else?
So here's my question, now that I've read the latest posts (and thank you to everyone who posted the screenshots!): was the whole amulet/exorcism thing useless if well-meaning on Michael's part, or was it the exorcism that freed Robin at last from his confines in the cellar? I guess a better way to phrase it is, instead of containing the spirit, did Michael inadvertantly unleash it?

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#120737 - 03/29/06 10:25 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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'Retired at last', they are! smile
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#120738 - 03/29/06 10:31 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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'Retired at last', they are! smile
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#120739 - 03/29/06 10:47 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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Oh now Stop it, you two!!! your making me laugh
--- and I'm still in this ^&*% upper body cast!
ouch! my poor ribs!
laugh laugh laugh --I told you guys this game was worth an A+ ---- super discussion.

This discussion is quite well done. Hmmmmm Cat's eyes... So that's how the that happened --- did they grind a cat's tooth with one of Robin's baby teeth? And then the evil demon took greater possession of the child?

Agustin that stop teasing us! You know fine well that the blob in the foreground of that picture looks like the remains of the lower half of a body lying on it's stomach.....

did you finish that patch by the way???? You know which one I mean.

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#120740 - 03/29/06 11:11 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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Inferno - upper body cast? What happened.
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Ivinia - hope you're laughing with me and
not at me lol

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#120741 - 03/30/06 12:12 AM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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Yep, I agree Inferno! Looks like a torso to me.

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#120742 - 03/30/06 12:14 AM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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#120743 - 03/30/06 12:43 AM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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Think about the structure of the house and it becomes very apparent the placement of those windows. The remains would have been very, very visible. But there's even another fact - remember the invoice. The meat was being thrown through the most accessible window...
Hey Agustin,

Interesting you mention this

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#120744 - 03/30/06 12:52 AM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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Originally posted by Rael:
The above reasoning is a bit tied with the phone number I mentioned - who and why wrote it down? Re-read the very first notes you find...
Ahh, so the police dude knows more than he's letting on? Hmm...

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#120745 - 03/30/06 10:43 AM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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Well, a couple of things now. FIRST off that picture Mag has taken and posted, doesn't anyone else see that it is a hole in the floor that has a body in it, a partially decomposed one below the neck and is a skeleton, but that the head and face are completely intact and if one knew what all the characters looked like one could identify that body? Or am I seeing things?
You completely lost me with all this talk of the newspaper and Bailey's telephone number, I thought it could be that the maid jotted the phone number down on that since she is the one who called the police and 'blew the whistle' on the murder and murderer....And thinking about it, the house was straightened up and cleaned a bit before Michael moved in, according to Jerry on the phone to Mike about the purchase of that house and Mike moving into it....was that all another red herring? And I guess my 'dense mindmode' has kicked in as I don't see any other explanation yet about that scenario.....I guess you have to spell it all out for me frown
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#120746 - 03/30/06 11:44 AM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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well, I didn't see anything at all in the picture of Mag's... just some dirt, mainly.

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#120747 - 03/30/06 12:09 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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It looks like a torso and on the right side you can see an arm. Can't tell by the shadows whether it is a mound or an impression. The shadow on the bottom left of the torso is the opposite of the shadow where the arm is.
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#120748 - 03/30/06 12:20 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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Originally posted by wysewomon:
well, I didn't see anything at all in the picture of Mag's... just some dirt, mainly.

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Me too, WW. I look at these pictures and think, "What is it I'm supposed to be seeing?"
I think I've seen all I'm going to see - Robin in Augustin's picture and a glomp of amorphous dirt in Mag's. Color me thick, but that's the way it is.

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#120749 - 03/30/06 07:54 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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Mag's picture = what I see is, someone has started to dig up that floor, and on the right side sorta towards the hole in the wall there is clearly a face there in that 'grave' attached to a skeleton (decomposed body?) but I cannot identify who the face belongs to since I don't know what the characters look like. DOES THIS WORK, the 'body' I see there is actually Robin (who is now an adult) who died and someone or something tried to bury him, and the creature with the glowing eyes, no clothes, not really deformed but strange looking, not really a male figure nor female, is the 'evil spirit' who took over Robin's soul when it killed him, and the amulet ceremony on the mask has not done anything because it was done too late? And now the EVIL 'thingy' has been released into the world never to be 'vanquished' by mankind? scared Am I making any sense at all? woozy
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#120750 - 03/30/06 08:09 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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I still can't make anything out in Mag's picture.
I'm hopeless.

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#120751 - 03/30/06 08:10 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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What about if Michael never really went to the Mansion,
and this game is a dream he's been having.
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#120752 - 03/31/06 12:59 AM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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#120753 - 03/31/06 03:57 AM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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What if ..oh never mind...this is getting to strange.

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#120754 - 03/31/06 10:15 AM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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I still can't make anything out in Mag's picture.
I'm hopeless.
You and me both, Jenny! Tho' IMHO some of the conjecture seems to be stretching things a bit...

The simplest explanation seems to be that Robin was born...uh...different and Catherine and the good Dr. concealed it from James because they assumed it was from the Thalidomide but knew James would see it as a sign of the curse, and they didn't want to give him any fodder for his supposed delusions.

If this is the case, I don't think Robin could have been actually kept in the nursery at any time, or there would ahve been no way to conceal him from James (unless Catherine was in the habit of scaling the walls on a rope to get in there...).

I'm still not sure about the relationship between Robin and the Mask. I don't find it accurate to say that "nothing" happened when Michael waved the amulet at the mask, 'cause when I made the amulet this eerie hollow laugh started and waving the amulet at the mask caused it to stop.

Has anyone tried using the amulet on the hole in the wall where Robin's hiding (before the creepy glowing eyes appear)? Just curious. OR using the amulet in various places in Robin's cell? (I would expect Inferno has done this in her search for alternate endings....)

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#120755 - 04/01/06 02:34 AM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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BUT it may be that that doorway into the nursery was not ALWAYS bricked up like that and access to it from the house was at one time applicable. One could assume that after the baby was born and supposedly 'died' - remember, there is a coffin in the crypt with an R.... on the plaque - that the doorway was later bricked up by the good Doctor after James died? Lots of ways that could have gone. And I may have a pretty good imagination but I see what I see in Mag's picture she posted here - there is a face quite easily distinguishible at the upper right of that hole in the floor, I could identify who it is if I knew what James, Robin, or the doctor looked like....you don't have to stare at it very hard, just focus on it a bit, I can even see if with my glasses off and my nose up on the screen (I am myopic and have worn glasses since age 13 or so)... I heard that maniacal laughing too when I used the amulet on the mask, but I have to admit I did not check my inventory to see if it returned there or if I had it anymore when I went down to look in that hole in the wall in the cellar, thusly I did not think of using the amulet on the creature - never thought of it. I believe the mask was de-cursed but like the idea that it was done too late to 'cage' that evil spirit-god as it had already taken possession of a living creature.....the monster in the basement. And the darn thing is loose now out there in MY WORLD! scared eek
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#120756 - 04/01/06 10:17 AM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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Hey Betty Lou:

My point about the nursery is, if Robin was kept there how would his existence have been concealed from James? I'm assuming James actually lived in the house.

You do still have the amulet in inventory after using it on the mask.

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#120757 - 04/01/06 12:51 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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I assumed the parents-to-be had fixed up the baby's room in preparation for its arrival... and after it was born deformed, they walled off the room. James would have been told it had died and Catherine and the doctor would have taken care of it elsewhere.

Did we ever figure out who was taking care of the plant in the greenhouse?

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#120758 - 04/01/06 01:00 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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Betty Lou, I think I see the "face" you're talking about, but I don't think it's clear that it's really a face. It's like seeing a face in a rug or in a floral wallpaper pattern.

But if it is a face, it looks more mask-like than skull-like to me, meaning...

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#120759 - 04/01/06 01:02 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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Hey, good point. Is there any indication that the mask in the closet is 'THE' mask?

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#120760 - 04/01/06 01:57 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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I would think it IS "the" mask, since it is the one missing from that display case in the African Room, and only in that little 'closet/room' does it 'feel' eerie and supernatural(?) or 'evil'....I have to say that if I opened a 'closet' door and that thing was right there looking at me like that I would definitely be FREAKED OUT! And stepping into that 'closet' and turning to face that mask gives me the same blood-curdling reaction scared
I suppose that 'face' I see in the hole in the floor could be another mask or something....I just wish someone else could or would see what I clearly see there - boy my IMAGINATION is so much "huge-r" than even I thought.... rotfl
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#120761 - 04/01/06 02:13 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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I suppose that 'face' I see in the hole in the floor could be another mask or something
In the upper right of the floor...near where the end of the arm (attached to the torso) is? I see something there that could be a face (or more likely a mask), but it could just be my imagination...

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#120764 - 04/02/06 12:17 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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I played with more care and attention to detail than I've ever played any game ever. I was determined to figure out exactly what happened. The result......I still don't know.
Agree - If it were a mystery suspense thriller type, think Hitchcock, it would have been an In Your Face Conclusion (so you would have thought - How could I have overlooked that?)

But, it wasn't, at least for me it wasn't, and I thoroughly enjoyed it none the less.

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#120765 - 04/03/06 01:38 AM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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Seems to me discussion here closes to an end.. but i when parsing through different scratchers forums, i found this interesting opinion(in Nucleosys forum).
I recite "
Then how to explain the fact that the handwriting of Jerry is so similar to Milton's? I'd like to say they are completey identical. I just wonder if it is possible that son's handwriting can be so similar to his father's."
Any thinking about this?

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#120766 - 04/03/06 12:05 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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Then how to explain the fact that the handwriting of Jerry is so similar to Milton's? I'd like to say they are completey identical.
Maybe the English version is somehow different - but, there are minor but distinct differences. The doctor hangs a small loop under his capitol I, Jerry does not.

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#120767 - 04/03/06 12:12 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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Now where does THAT come from? Nowhere was there any indication that Jerry (the writer who buys the old victorian mansion) does not know who his father is - that would be a totally whole different storyline that was not offered as far as I can see - did I miss something? Ya think there might be a sequel? to solve all these questions? or add more? laugh
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#120768 - 04/03/06 12:14 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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Then how to explain the fact that the handwriting of Jerry is so similar to Milton's? I'd like to say they are completey identical.
Maybe the English version is somehow different - but, there are minor but distinct differences. The doctor hangs a small loop under his capitol I, Jerry does not.
Note to self: Don't and work and play at the same time -

The 'I's are identical (wrong letter)

Oh, well - back to work..


edit edit edit -

And... back from work -

It's also the same handwriting as the note written on the newspaper in the attic. So... either Jerry wrote the note, or he writes just like the Doctor... Hmmmm.

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#120769 - 04/03/06 01:07 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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I always thought Jerry was more involved than it originally appeared.

Of course, I also thought we were going to use the rare south african plant to induce vision, a la "Sherlock Holmes and the Devil's Foot." I was kind of disapointed that we didn't!

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#120771 - 04/03/06 04:33 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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Hi everyone. I've been wondering all of these puzzling questions too, and I'm curious if anyone on GB has heard from the guys at Nucleosys about what "actually" happened in Scratches. I'd love to get the real low-down from them---assuming they're willing to give away their secrets! smile

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#120772 - 04/03/06 07:43 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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I believe Raul (spelling?) has the inside track on what's what with this game - did he write it? or work on it or was he a beta testor? Not sure.
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#120773 - 04/03/06 08:19 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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Betty Lou,

Rael IS Agustin. He is the developer and program designed the game. Scratches is his baby.

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#120774 - 04/03/06 08:22 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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Originally posted by Betty Lou Brewer Jones:
I believe Raul (spelling?) has the inside track on what's what with this game - did he write it? or work on it or was he a beta testor? Not sure.
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#120775 - 04/04/06 11:03 AM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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HE sure is, but he's not talking! Just hinting mysteriously.

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#120776 - 04/04/06 12:07 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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Finished the game and must say I'm really glad our 'hero' didn't end up as lunch for poor deformed Robin. What I can't figure out is: After discovering he had no lights and no water (and no food because his car was dead), and after crawling through the furnace, he finds he has company in that big, old, long abandoned Victorian, why a (supposedly) intelligent writer of words stayed there. I wouldn't need a car to get gone. My feets would take me away very fast! And, what was the deal with Jerry and the eviction notice? happydance -- as in The Black Mirror. I hate that. mad It totally ruins a game for me and puts the kibosh on any replays of same. cry
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#120777 - 04/04/06 12:24 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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he finds he has company in that big, old, long abandoned Victorian, why a (supposedly) intelligent writer of words stayed there.
I think there's a phone conversation that addresses that, that Michael stays because he's becoming (perhaps unnaturally) obsessed with the events that took place there.

Plus, he IS a writer, and a writer of horror novels at that, and as he's growing interested in James's story anyway...well, he's not likely to leave without knowing the ending.

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And, what was the deal with Jerry and the eviction notice?
I was quite happy when he got into his car after getting that notice: "Oh, so we're going to go kill Jerry now?"

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#120778 - 04/04/06 12:54 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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Probably all those toxins in his body from not eating or having any water to drink and never going to the bathroom fueled his obsession. laugh

Then you have Jerry who was coming to get him and couldn't because of the rain. Yet Michael didn't seem surprised Jerry was still in his office after the rain was over. duh And as worried about him as Jerry appeared to be scared he never again mentioned coming to get Michael out of there. Between that and being evicted from a house he supposedly bought? I'm sure Michael had quite a bit to discuss with friend Jerry. mad
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#120779 - 04/04/06 01:55 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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Don t think he spoke to him again did nt ring any way lol enjoyed it made a change I think the person doing the scratching was the son and he killed his mum and the good Mr Blackmore knew it was all his fault for taking the mask must have sent him batty bet when that goulie jumped for me the next door neighbours thought I had lost it lol dos nt take a lot make me jump I know people say they could nt see well but I got it right for once and it was a change to have a scary game where you can see what you are doing Very slow to start but once in the story I enjoyed it Thought that Jerry was up to some thing though I would have locked the bed room door at night thumbsup

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#120780 - 04/04/06 02:31 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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Considering all the racket going on in a supposedly empty house scared I do believe I would have slept in the car with the doors
L O C K E D!!! eek
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#120781 - 04/16/06 11:49 AM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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I hope no one minds that I revive this thread...

When I saw the creature at the end I thought it looked and behaved like how Blackstone descibed the African tribe. But then when I saw the screen cap of the cat eyes I had to think that it was now the feline god from the mask.

So since the creature at the end had cat eyes does that make it the god? Or since it kills by ripping people apart does that make it like the tribe in Africa? The tribe in Africa was also deformed looking. Blackstone commented about that in his diary. I think he said he thought it could be from years and years of inbreeding.


And when Michael did the ritual on the mask, did the the god just then jump into the creature which up until then was just deformed and crazy because of the morning sickness drug(sorry forget the name). But, I didn't think that drug made people crazy, just severely deformed.

I keep going back to that somehow the creature, who do I believe was Robin, was for some reason behaving like the tribe(maybe because of a curse from the mask) and when Micheal performed the ritual on the mask the god jumped into Robin. Maybe too much time had passed between rituals and the god was released before the ritual was complete.

Just some thoughts and ....lots of questions think
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#120782 - 04/16/06 08:13 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by bkrytr:
[QB] Probably all those toxins in his body from not eating or having any water to drink and never going to the bathroom fueled his obsession. laugh /[QUOTE]

rotfl rotfl rotfl That's what I kept thinking! I just finished the game and loved reading this thread right after:))

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#120783 - 04/17/06 02:22 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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Where do I find the medicine bottles? I did finish the game but can't recall where I saw the bottles. think

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#120784 - 04/17/06 02:56 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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They're in one of the dressers in the main bedroom -- the room across from the African gallery. (I say "they", though truthfully I can't recall whether there was more than one bottle.)

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#120785 - 04/22/06 08:26 AM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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I thnk the game may be set up so that you can "read" two different explanations for events -- the non-supernatural explanation and the supernatural explanation.

In one, James is going mad, has become fixated on the mask and its evil properties, Robin is deformed because of the thalidomide, and James kills his wife.

In the other, James is perfectly sane, Robin is taken over by the spirit from the mask, his deformities are a result of this possession, Robin (even at age two) in a manic frenzy kills his mother by biting her throat.

Either way, James never intended to improve the upper floors of the house -- the mortgage was a way to get plenty of money in the bank so that Robin could be hidden away from the world, automatically fed, etc.

I think Jerry knows there are art treasures in the house, and is using Michael supposedly owning the place to get Michael to move the treasures out and share the gains with Jerry. If the police catch on, Jerry hopes that Michael will prove to be the fall guy.

EDIT: In either scenario, there has to be somebody who knows about Robin who still has access to the house. There's the fresh blood on the table in the part of the "cell" that Robin is locked out of. And the fact that Michael is evicted (and after only three days) shows that whoever is monitoring Robin has quickly figured out that Michael is in the house.

The question is -- who is this? Is it James, who has only faked his death? Is it the doctor, who maybe can't bear to go on living in the house, but does monitor it and is so secretive no one in the town knows he's still around? Or is it someone else?

Skeleton in the coffin could be James or the doctor. I agree the scratching noises are Robin trying to dig himself out.

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#120786 - 04/22/06 10:54 AM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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I cannot remember what Michael's mortgage contract says about what he can or cannot do with the personal possessions left in this house which by the way he bought or is buying - so he has every right to do whatever he wants with whatever 'treasures' he finds there, doesn't he? Jerry's supposed "I want my share of whatever you find" if it is not in writing and done legally - hasn't any legal rights to a share of profits from sales or whatever that Michael reaps the benefits of.....I could be wrong on this point. There does not seem to be any family member of James and wife and son to legally inherit this mansion and its contents and so the bank listed the property for sale and Jerry is Michaels friend and real-estate agent in its purchase....Mike is not just renting this house nor is he illegally 'camping out' in it. Am I right?
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#120787 - 04/22/06 11:10 AM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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didn't he buy the house from the National Trust or some such organisation?? Yes, Jerry told him that the house was his, lock stock and barrel so to share any treasures he found with him.

Over here, once the sale of a property has been 'completed' (ie gone through all the legal stuff) there is no going back by either party.... and I'm sure Michael said he had bought it.

Oh and I didn't like the 'spoiler' comment at the start of day 3 - Michael said 'my last day in this house' or something along those lines....
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#120788 - 04/22/06 02:26 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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I didn't like the 'spoiler' comment at the start of day 3 - Michael said 'my last day in this house' or something along those lines....
Yeah, that bugged me too; I rationalized it by telling myself that what he meant was, "My last day in the house because after this I'm checking into a hotel to get some food and water and take a shower."

Actually, what bugged me even more was that Michael seemed surprised when Jerry told him about the murder that had taken place there; apparently this was complete news to him (another reason why I wanted Michael to go visit Jerry immediately after picking up that crowbar; I've no idea what laws are like in the UK, but over here Jerry could easily have opened himself up to a lawsuit for failing to disclose that). The manual that came with the game went into great detail about the murder, and it just seemed to me that if it was a surprise to Michael, it should have been a surprise to the player -- there was nothing inherent in the game that justified the player having more knowledge than the player character.

All in all, it's a minor quibble -- as soon as I finished playing, I immediately got a friend hooked on playing it, so obviously I loved it.

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#120789 - 04/22/06 06:44 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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AND...I am still enjoying the game and all the theories batting about even more now that this thread has been revived. Hope more newer players find it and come here to "put their 2 cents in" too. Loving it!
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#120790 - 04/22/06 10:06 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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Did I dream that Michael found an eviction notice in his mailbox? scared

Robin is still alive to inherit the mansion. And is there any evidence that James didn't fake his death? It was so convenient, that death -- right when he was being investigated for the murder of his wife.

Jerry was the one who told us that the house had been taken over by the National Trust. Can we trust him?

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#120791 - 04/23/06 11:59 AM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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Robin is still alive to inherit the mansion.
Yes, but I seem to recall a newspaper article that reported his death shortly after birth, so as far as any legal entity is concerned, he doesn't exist.

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And is there any evidence that James didn't fake his death? It was so convenient, that death -- right when he was being investigated for the murder of his wife.
Perhaps his death had some help from the doctor? (Completely idle question, by the way.) I don't think there's any evidence either way, except that it's either James or the doctor who's still alive, the doctor was seen in town after James's reported death, and James seemed a bit fragile mentally to be trusted to go into hiding.

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Jerry was the one who told us that the house had been taken over by the National Trust. Can we trust him?
Frankly, if I were Michael, at this point I'd demand he prove to me that he actually has a real estate license.

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#120792 - 04/23/06 12:43 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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Good point that nobody KNOWS that Robin is alive. Except the mysterious person who has been feeding him.

Are we agreed that the skeleton in the coffin must be either James or the good doctor?

Gotta get back in and see who that eviction notice was from. Hope I have a saved game near it.

Rant for game developers who make games with complex plots:

PLEASE give us lots of saved game slots. I shouldn't have to replay large portions of a game while hunting down plot details!

Why do you think the doctor says that if he went to the authorities (years later) and told the truth, he would have to go to jail?

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#120793 - 04/23/06 01:09 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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Why do you think the doctor says that if he went to the authorities (years later) and told the truth, he would have to go to jail?
Child abuse? I doubt Children's Services would look kindly on keeping a child locked in a basement; even if Robin was physically dangerous, there are hospitals he could have gone to.

Though...that's a good question, now that I think about it. I can see James locking him in the basement because Robin was "possessed", but I've been assuming, like many of the other posters on this thread, that it was Catherine and the doctor who kept Robin alive (telling James he was dead). And the doctor didn't believe in the whole curse thing -- surely he would have put Robin in a hospital, even if that meant doing so without James's knowledge.

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#120794 - 04/23/06 01:58 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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Can we assume that Robin was mute? Has anyone ever spent time with a new baby that wouldn't alert everyone within 100 feet that he/she is alive? It's difficult enough to imagine hiding a baby on the second floor of a house with the maid in a room off the kitchen and forbidden to go upstairs. It's crazy to think you could hide a baby from a man who is sleeping in the next room!

I think the baby was kept hidden by Catherine, James and the doctor until Catherine's death. The baby was subsequently moved downstairs into the basement. Either because he had killed his mother, and therefore was too dangerous to keep in his nursery. Or because both Catherine and James were dead, and the doctor thought it easier to keep him someplace that was more secure.

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#120795 - 04/23/06 02:01 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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I might say something stupid here, but I was surprised that Michael never mentioned calling the police after he found Robin in the basement, he just said that since then he was a better writer.
I would have called the police straight away, and even if Robin left after Michael ran away, at least they could organize a search!
I wouldn't like to have a cannibal madman wandering in the nearby country...
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#120796 - 04/23/06 02:10 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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the shape of 'Robins' head looks very similar to those who suffered encephalitis (sp) as per the Elephant man. Another natural disease which gives an allegory to the animal nature of the curse...
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#120797 - 04/23/06 05:09 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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Went back into the game. If you have a save at 5pm on Monday, go out and look in the mail box. There's a notice there from the National Trust telling Michael that if he doesn't vacate the premieses, the police will come and arrest him! Seems Jerry's transaction was not legal.

Carla -- yes it is odd that Michael never contacted the authorities. I wonder why not.

In the weird interpretation category -- does anybody else think that the African tribe's fortunes became WORSE after they supposedly controlled the evil god and confined it to the mask? Is there any chance that the ritual performed by the tribe and by Michael actually strengthened the evil spirit?

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#120798 - 04/23/06 05:42 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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does anybody else think that the African tribe's fortunes became WORSE after they supposedly controlled the evil god and confined it to the mask? Is there any chance that the ritual performed by the tribe and by Michael actually strengthened the evil spirit?
I'd certainly wondered how bad things were for the tribe before confining the spirit, if what James witnessed was considered an improvement.

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#120800 - 04/30/06 10:16 AM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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Another thought just occurred to me, saw Becky's information about Jerry's "transaction" being illegal, i.e. his selling of this mansion/estate to Michael, just what was Jerry's PURPOSE in doing so if he did not have the legal right (deed) to do so? Anybody got any thoughts on this or have we covered it already?
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#120801 - 04/30/06 01:08 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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I think Jerry didn't realize that the house was being monitored (or lived in!) and somehow managed to get access to the key. He then arranged a "sale" to Michael, with the intent of gradually helping Michael sell the valueable works of art, while Jerry took a 50/50 cut of the profits.

If anything ever went wrong with this pretty picture, I think Jerry was planning to blame everything on Michael.

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#120804 - 05/04/06 08:39 AM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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Having finally finished this game last night, I just want to throw in my two cents...

I think the Dr and Catherine hid the baby (Robin) from James due to his obsession with the "curse". This from the letter found the the locked study drawer. From the letter in the hidden room under the chapel, I got the impression James killed Catherine, but since I have deleted the game, I can't go back to that and regain my first impression of why.

I haven't seen anyone else mention the appearance of John Patterson's name in James' journal on the study desk. In case you are not familiar with him, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsavo_maneaters will give some insight here. I think this reference fits nicely with the lion's claw and the amulet.

Still not sure of how all the threads tie in together, but will make for more interesting replay down the road as more details are observed.

What an amazing amount of speculation with this game! I wonder if the writers will ever come up and explain things a little?

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#120805 - 05/04/06 08:44 AM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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Winkie -- interesting link. You're right -- that's great background info.

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#120806 - 05/04/06 09:59 AM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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Okay, went back in the game and read the letters. Why is it that every time I go back in this game I get creeped out a bit more?

The letter in the desk in the study -- the doctor says: "what we all did two years ago," so the decision to hide Robin away was made by "us all" i.e., James knew that Robin was alive and was in on the decision to hide the family "shame."

The doctor's mention of the "other issue" and James's mention in the letter in the chapel that Catherine was thinking of having him committed as insane -- I think what was happening -- okay, this IS creepy -- is that James wanted to complete the ritual, and to do that you needed the remains of a victim. Okay, who was an obvious victim? Robin. I think James was trying to convince Catherine and the doctor to kill Robin and use him as part of the ritual to control the spirit in the mask, and that's why Catherine and the doctor were certain he had lost his mind. Later in the letter he tells the doctor that he must complete the ritual if James can't, even though it would make the doctor a cold blooded murderer.

I suspect the night of Catherine's death, matters came to a head as James tried to kill Robin. I still don't know who killed Catherine though, or once she was dead, why James didn't simply go ahead and finish his plan to kill Robin and carry out the ritual.

The doctor later expresses regret that he did't believe James and carry out the ritual, as he is beginning to believe that the mask DOES have supernatural powers.

EDIT: Winkie -- the writer has explained things a little! (Not sure we've understood the explanation though.)

Take a look at Rael's posts on pages 5, 7, and 8 of this thread.

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#120807 - 05/04/06 11:16 AM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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Hi all you guys! I am reading now more posts on this wonderful, delicious thread! and enjoying it so much. I just had another thought - I do get a few now and then - laugh If either Robin, James or the doctor had been Catherine's killer, and there is a coffin for Catherine in the crypt then why was Catherine buried in the garden in the ground like that? Except for the purpose of us finding her grave, digging her up and taking one of her teeth, I don't understand this. It would have been just as easy to open her coffin in the crypt and take a tooth.....was its only purpose just to make it harder for us to find her? And it is not as if her death was a big secret from the authorities, since James was being investigated in the death of his wife......so ???
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#120808 - 05/04/06 11:31 AM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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This is a really great game, with lots of story and mystery to it. And very creepy. I know my hair was standing up a few times, especially during the midnight sequences.
I also appreciated that the system requirements were kept low so that I could play it.
I would love more games like this.

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#120809 - 05/04/06 11:46 AM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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Betty Lou --

Catherine was buried in the "garden" because James and the doctor were trying to hide her death from the authorities. They told everyone else that she was traveling. The only reason the authorities found out is that the maid happened to see the body being buried.

I suppose that once James had to admit she was dead, he acquired a coffin to make it look as though her body were in the crypt, but he didn't bother to dig her back up and put her in it!

He managed to keep the autorities at bay so that he never had to actually produce a body.

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#120810 - 05/04/06 12:03 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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Becky, I was thinking that letter in the study was addressed to Catherine, not James. I got the impression James found the letter and made the discovery Robin was still alive. I'm going to have to reload this game and replay sooner than I intended!

And I had seen Rael's posts-would be even more confused without them, I think!

Also, the notes by the typewriter about the events not being supernatural after all or something made me try to find a "reasonable" explaination for this saga. After all, truth is often much stranger than fiction/supernatural!

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#120811 - 05/04/06 01:05 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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Winkie -- yes, the letter in the study was written to Catherine -- James must have found it at some point and hidden it in the desk.

My comment about "what we all did" is that if it had just been the doctor and Catherine who had hidden Robin, he would have said "what we both did" or "what we did." The inclusion of "all" implies that there were more than two people who did this thing.

A reasonable explanation -- yes, I think you can interpret events both ways, especially after Betty Lou's thalidimide discovery.

I am coming to the conclusion that the doctor has abandoned the house (for awhile I was certain he was dead) and has left a means for somebody to always automatically feed Robin.

A question -- at the end of day 2, when you go down inside the burner and see someone walking across through the grate -- could that be Robin? Or was that someone else?

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#120812 - 05/04/06 03:30 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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I assumed that was Robin/whatever it was locked up in the basement. Did you find it odd that you could go through the furnace in the dead of night but no other time? Maybe should go have another look at that floor plan to get an idea of where that locked room might be in relation to the furnace...hmmm. I'm awful with directions and have a hard time with those types of things. It seems to me the locked room should be under the study and dining room, but where does that leave the grate in the furnace? It seemed to go in the opposite direction.

Apparently, I'm just thinking about this game too much!

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#120813 - 05/04/06 06:26 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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smile Winkie; Don't feel bad about thinking about this game. Notice that you're on page 14 of this thread. A great many of us cussed, discussed, replayed, and then re-explained what happened. I don't know if we really solved anything, but the whole process sure was fun. Maybe that's why a bunch of us consider it a fine game.
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#120814 - 05/05/06 03:20 AM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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Winkie -- I don't have much sense of direction (often a drawback in adventure games!) but I think the furnace would start out under the kitchen and then head back toward the house under the dining room.

If it was Robin we saw, there should be a grate like that somewhere in the wall in Robin's prison (don't remember if there was, and don't really want to go back in there). Wasn't there also a light on somewhere when we got to the end of the furnace? Where would the light be coming from?

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#120815 - 05/05/06 12:01 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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I never tried to go through the furnace a second time--I was too scared! Besides, you ran out of lamp oil and your matches were limited. Didn't fancy crawling through a dark tube, even during the day!

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#120816 - 05/05/06 12:41 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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Wasn't there also a light on somewhere when we got to the end of the furnace? Where would the light be coming from?
Wasn't there a grate in/under the fireplace in the parlor?

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#120817 - 05/05/06 12:42 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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You couldn't back into the furnace in the morning. I tried. I wanted desperately to know who was there, but my character didn't!

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#120818 - 05/05/06 03:57 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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Bella -- yes, interesting -- somebody walks around the parlor during the one moment you are in the furnace!

But the grate was covered with wood at that point, and I don't think we looked up, we just looked straight ahead to see the person -- or am I remembering incorrectly?

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#120819 - 05/05/06 04:39 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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If you go down the grate in the fireplace you come to a room that has a closed door: the door behind which Robin is locked in. In this room under the grate, just at the opposite side of the closed door, there is a hole in the wall. Looking through this hole, Michaels says, that here ends the furnace and here it is where he looked through last night (or something with this meaning).

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#120820 - 05/05/06 11:51 PM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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Hello seagul -- and welcome to GameBoomers! welcome I obviously have to replay this part, but frankly, I'm not sure I have sufficient courage.

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#120821 - 05/06/06 09:56 AM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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Welcome seagul! welcome

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Looking through this hole, Michaels says, that here ends the furnace and here it is where he looked through last night (or something with this meaning).
Ah, so what Michael saw was someone (not Robin) actually walking around in the cellar?

And you're right, Becky, the grate was covered with wood at that point, so that couldn't have been the light source anyway.

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#120822 - 05/06/06 10:36 AM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
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wave We are again seeing the beauty of Scratches. There's always a reasonable but not necessarily correct answer. The light source was in the basement, which is why we saw a silhouette. Perhaps that is where all the candles went, which would mean who we saw from the furnace is not what we saw at the end.....AAARRRGGGHHH!!! laugh
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#120823 - 05/06/06 11:24 AM Re: Scratches question--contains major spoilers
Becky Offline
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I ditto the AAARRRGGGHHH!!!

P.S. Has Robin grown claws, or just really long finger nails?

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