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Re: Keepsake..,,brillant and sad... #120938
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I haven't played the European version of Keepsake. I used the GameBoomers walkthrough for the game, which is based on a European version (German, I believe)... and the map of the upper floors included in the walkthrough has a completely different layout than the North American version I played. Some of the names of locations (rooms) are also different... such as "Smithy" instead of "Forge." I'm also curious to hear from those who've played both versions, to find out just how different they are.

Re: Keepsake..,,brillant and sad... #120939
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The label of the maps are English translations of the German labels.
I did follow the map on the walkthrough and found my way through when playing the NA version. I liked the way the teleporters are marked which I think are brilliant.

Re: Keepsake..,,brillant and sad... #120940
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Ah, Katsmom, thank you, now I get it. I understood that Gimli and Jochen in their kindness provided a map for the upper floor themselves because at that time there was no inbuild map in the game. This came later with the NA version as well as the patch for the European version.

MaG, nickie - thank you for your inside information (although it shattered my hopes of a 'second Keepsake'. lol ) wave

Re: Keepsake..,,brillant and sad... #120941
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laugh However, the developers promise to make their next game even better, so we have something to look forward to, don't we! bravo


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Re: Keepsake..,,brillant and sad... #120942
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Well after Ankh, I will need to reinstall the game. I loaded it up, played for about an hour and did not care for it at all. Now I will give it another shot and stick with it for a longer period before I decide.


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Re: Keepsake..,,brillant and sad... #120943
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I think for me,despite the pros and cons,the biggest letdown was the ending - if it had been handled a little differently,i think it would have made a huge difference in the way i considered the entire game...

Re: Keepsake..,,brillant and sad... #120944
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Why did you conside the ending a letdown? I saw it coming from miles away, and it was sad and a little abrupt, but not a letdown. Just curious.

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Re: Keepsake..,,brillant and sad... #120945
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Which ending would you have liked better, niteowl07? And do you mean by ending the last few sentences or the sanctuarium?

Re: Keepsake..,,brillant and sad... #120946
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Oh, you knew how it would end alright,but after the last puzzle ,the ending just seemed a little flat - hard for me to explain. Just my opinion.

Re: Keepsake..,,brillant and sad... #120947
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Well, I have to admit that I wanted to beat Nathaniel over the head with a big stick and his belated realisation about his behaviour didn't satisfy me--in fact, it kind of seemed as if he went from beating his breast in one way to doing it in another. Indulging in self-pity rather than taking real responsibility. Oh well.

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Re: Keepsake..,,brillant and sad... #120948
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Quote:
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Well, I have to admit that I wanted to beat Nathaniel over the head with a big stick and his belated realisation about his behaviour didn't satisfy me--in fact, it kind of seemed as if he went from beating his breast in one way to doing it in another. Indulging in self-pity rather than taking real responsibility. Oh well.
I completely agree. I was hoping he'd make an effort to be like the kind and helpful person Lydia remembered him being from when she was a kid.

Re: Keepsake..,,brillant and sad... #120949
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I just finished it last night. Have to admit I absolutely loved it. It's the game I was hoping Dreamfall was going to be. I didn't mind the to-ing and fro-ing at all (guess because I'm used to it in RPGs.) Loved Zak as a sidekick - he's right up there with Crow IMHO. The only puzzle I absolutely gave up on (and not because I didn't know what to do) was the telescope one - could not get thosee numbers to line up correctly to save me. Sure reminded me of the magical school in Harry Potter - which is another point in it's favor since I'm a Harry Potter fan laugh

And as to Nathaniel - I was ready to smack him upside the head also.


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Re: Keepsake..,,brillant and sad... #120950
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I just finished Keepsake and I must say I liked it. I enjoyed the plot driven story, sad, yes but neat characters. It is nice to see developers coming up with some variety. This was not necessarily a garden variety adventure. It had what I consider a pretty good to great hint system with the option to work your way around a puzzle that might be too difficult or perplexing. Nice save system too.

Voice acting might have been a tad better, but it isn't even a blip on my radar! I think the fact that I kept coming back night after night to play the next section says it all. It got me involved and thinking and for me that is the goal of a good adventure game.

Yes, I wanted to smack Nathaniel too!

I really liked Lydia (great strong female character) and Zak (nice guy) and the surroundings were just beautifully rendered. Very nice game that I would recommend...


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Re: Keepsake..,,brillant and sad... #120951
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The one thing I would really criticize (trying very hard not to make a spoiler) is that many...okay, ALL of the riddle-based puzzles were just too obscure. I had no problem lining up the numbers in the observatory puzzle, but interpreting the clues in the tapestry... well, they just had no meaning. Same with the garden tapestry (but at least with that one when I checked out the hints I figured out what was going on and could solve the puzzle--with the observatory it was just "what the heck are they thinking??? duh " I also wish that when you picked the "please solve this puzzle for me!" option, the game had actually shown the solution, rather than just jumped to the next scene.

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Re: Keepsake..,,brillant and sad... #120952
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I'm totally hopeless! Not only do I use the hints and the solutions to puzzles, and the map, but I also have both GB and JA walkthroughs and I still get lost. It's really rough and I keep wondering where are those teleporters I keep reading about?


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Re: Keepsake..,,brillant and sad... #120953
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Sierramindy,
You don't find the teleporters until you get to the second part of the game, after you solve the Minotaur puzzles.

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I worried about the teleporters after I read about them in the walkthrough. But they turned out to be pretty handy. You should print the map - it won't really give anything away but it is handy to use to help figure out where you have to go next.


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Re: Keepsake..,,brillant and sad... #120955
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I liked the Minotaur puzzle and tried very hard to work it, but had to save so many times to go back to it after not getting it yet that I was afraid I would run out of SAVES, so I let the 4th hint do it. I watched and I was right for about the first third of the puzzle but after that I lost it. I'm now where Zak had the potion and I'm supposed to solve the next puzzle with him provided I can find the right place. Does the teleporter come after I/we do this puzzle?


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Re: Keepsake..,,brillant and sad... #120956
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sierra, sounds like you have 2 more trials to go before you can access the upper levels of the castle.

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I've passed the 2 trials (well, the game did) and Zak and I have been teleported to the upper level. That map is harder for me to understand than the first one! I found 2 teleporters and they don't work! Doesn't that beat all?


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Re: Keepsake..,,brillant and sad... #120958
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sierramindy, before you can use the teleporters you have to power them up. If I remember right, there is a yellow pad (not the one in the hall) that will take you to so some small tower place with 3 different pads: one yellow (the one you arrive at), one red and one grey. Step onto the grey one and you'll get to the 'central control room' for the teleporters.

Hope that helps a bit wave

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Hi Wollmaus, Thanks! Didn't have the teleporters powered up yet. I have them working now, but for me, I'm not sure they are an improvement. I just get zapped all over the place and still don't have a clue about anything unless the hint system tells me what to do next. In a true adventure game you get clues on what to do by what you find and people you talk to as you make progress in the game. If you can't figure things out, then you turn to a hint source, usually a walkthrough. I really do like Lydia and Zak though, even with his new look which took me a bit to get used to. So I will hang in there with them.


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Great you got going Sierramindy. If you need more hint - help, please post at Hints forum.

Thanks for the help, Wollmaus. You might drop by hints forum - the gamers could use your help at hints forum.

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Okay, will do, but I wasn't really asking for a hint as much as I was venting my frustration. I had been so looking forward to being teleported and when they didn't work right away, I blew my cool. Now I'm past that and trying to find the student's hallway to get to a yellow teleporter to see the rest of the school. Actually I did go there already earlier when I was trying to find my way somewhere else, but by now I have no recollection of how I blundered my way there. Oh well, I will find it eventually. Again.


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Oh happy day, I finally blundered my way to the end. If you like third-person games and Myst-type games this will be a good game for you, unfortunately, not for me. However, Lydia and Zak were so great that I managed to stay interested in them all the way to the final scene and now I will miss them, but not the rest of the game. I watched all the credits and they ended with "Thank you for playing Keepsake"! You're welcome!


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