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Adventure/RPG #122297
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Hi.

After my recent post about Zanzarah, I got to wondering what's going to happen in the future about game categories <img border="0" alt="woozy" title="" src="graemlins/woozy.gif" />

Some of the newer games out have really been "Adventures with RPG elements".
Designed, I suppose, in the hope of attracting a wider sales market smile

I realise that in the shops it doesn't make a scrap of difference as they invariably have all kinds of categories mixed up on their "sometimes labelled" shelves <img border="0" alt="[winky]" title="" src="graemlins/winky.gif" /> but for discussion and review purposes I was wondering whether a new "hybrid" category might come into being ??

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Good question Mad..... wink

I tend to shy away from a game that says Adventure/Anything. I can't help it, I know what I like.... rolleyes

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Wouldn't it be great if when loading up one of these "hybrid" games, you could have the options of having "action/shooter" elements or not having them. You know, like the way you can choose to have subtitles or not. In that way it could still reach a wider market. Is that even feasible???
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I don't pay any attention to the labeling of games (and especially books) - invariably a game (or book) is not "pure" - i.e., it isn't just an adventure game, or just a strategy game, or just a rpg - it's a combination of 2 or more. I just read the blips, look at the screenshots/pictures, & decide yes or no.

Besides, what one person calls adventure another calls action another calls strategy etc.


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Besides, you can get some very good hybrid games... like DragonRiders, which has some minor RPG character development (you can't go certain places or do certain things until you have achieved some level in strength, knowledge, or reputation), but there is plenty of adventure about the game.

Anyone else think of some good Adv/RPG hybrids?

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Most games, would take alot to have the options of action/shooter in them. ICB, says its adventure but to me it was perfect, talk to people ge this, disable that search here, very fun, wont find too many games like that any more.


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Quest for Glory series is adventure/RPG.

Anachronox has a lot of adventure elements in it.


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I second "Anachronox" to me its as if the r.p.g parts were an after thought because nearly 80 percent of the game is Adventure.


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I get bored with just RPG, if its got some adventure elements then i tend to get into the game alot better.. Like Morrowind for example i like exploring mines and dungeons that kinda gives the sense of adventure.. but not the "pure adventure" with puzzles and stuff

its weird really lol rolleyes

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Thats right. RPG's are like too much fantasy and they dont offer much but killing monsters with good backround graphics. I've played diablo 2 and didnt like it so much.


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Hi.

Thanks for responding folks smile

nfernoj13usa's idea is one that I've always favoured but I suppose it would just be too expensive to build in an "action/no action mode ??
[Not being a "techie type" I can't be sure but finance IS usually a major decider in just about every aspect of everything rolleyes ]

Probably the nearest I've been to that was Indy and the Fate of Atlantis where you could choose from three different modes.
Of course, most of us would have a go at all three modes anyway, just to see if we could do 'em lol

And I have played something else that offered "more towards adventure" or "more towards action" settings but I can't think what it was. However, I'm sure someone else out there has better recall than me and will be able to identify it immediately <img border="0" alt="[winky]" title="" src="graemlins/winky.gif" /> !!

Yes, gremlinuk, Dragon Riders is just the type of game I had in mind when I posted this topic. And, although I couldn't get it to run, I think Ananchronox is another. There are quite a few knocking about and more, I'm certain, in the pipeline.

I suppose a major category could be called "Hybrids" and that category itself could be subdivided according to what elements a game might contain ....................

Action/Adventure. Adventure/RPG. ETC.

On the other hand, apart from "picky" people like myself, maybe nobody is really that bothered anyway laugh

Cheers.

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I wouldn't mind playing an RPG if I didn't have to kill anything. Are there any RPGs out there that fit?


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Mostr of them u have to kill so thats why i dont like em.


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salim, Have you ever played a REAL RPG such as Baldur's gate for example. Diablo series barely qualifies as an RPG. It is very action oriented.

fildil, I have never played an RPG on the PC that has no action and I have been playing them for 10 years. In many RPG's the combat is pretty easy especially if you play one that has turn based combat where you get plenty of time to control each character. Reflexes are not needed at all for turn based RPG's.


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Hi fildil.

I'm afraid I don't know of any frown but if any exist, I'm sure someone here will certainly be able to tell you.

Cheers.

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It's possible to play the RPG Might and Magic VII without killing anything. Check out this victory post at Google Groups for details.

Here's an excerpt:

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In Harmindale we found our castle full of rats and goblins.
The butler suggested violence.

"Good gracious NO! We wouldn't *think* of harming those poor creatures!"

So the butler left for an indefinite stay at the inn. And we had another problem; we were almost out of gold. Now, unscrupulous adventurers have been known to hunt down various creatures, savagely attack and slaughter them, and steal their treasure. No wonder those creatures react so negativly when they see adventurers aproaching! It's time to break the cycle of violence. We would earn our gold only by honorable means -- like gambling.


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Never played baulders gate, havent really played an rpg in a long time. I simply dont like em. Dont know why, must be the pointing and clicking or the fantasy.


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Jenny: The only way you could even try to do something like that post is after you already know the game inside out. Some MM nuts will do anytihng to make the game a challenge. This is one way, another way is to have a party with one person or to finish the game in one months game time. There is no way a person playing the game for the first time would be able to accomplish this. The MM series is known to be a very combat oriented series.

salim: Not all RPGs are fantasy both but it is true that most are.


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Zanthia,

I know that. I just thought it was a funny post.
And if it's the killing that bothers you more than the combat, it is probably something fun to try.

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Zanthia, excuse my ignorance, but what is a turn based RPG?


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Hi Jenny.

I thought it was an hilarious post lol

And as Zanthia says - "specialist gamers only" need apply lol

Cheers.

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Yea. Rpg's can be fun but I like more suspense and exploring instead a person playing a role. but You never know I might like some of them that i've never tried.


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I think to distinguish between different genres is important when it comes to adventure gaming. Adventure games are unique in that the challenge is overwhelmingly one of mental exercise. When reflex sequences are added, it alienates and frustrates a lot of gamers (as we can see from the reaction to Simon 3D). Hybrid labels (action/adventure rpg/adventure) let me know what type of challenge I'm going to get from the game.

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Two points... it just occured to me that the Tomb Raider games fit into this hybrid category... plenty of adventure and puzzles, but also quite a bit of shooting. Actually, it would be quite a challenge to try and play Tomb Raider (any version) without shooting anything apart from puzzle completing ones (like the dragons at the end of Rome in TRChronicles).

Secondly, I have a copy of Baldor's Gate on DVD (inc. patches and manual) I'd be quite willing to trade.

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hrmn... some games are able to integrate 2 genres flawlessly.... and especially adventure/RPG, some have this "difficulty" setting or some other options which essentially is asking "do you want to play this game in adventure mode or RPG mode?"... which typically means easier/harder fights, or more/less combats, or how often puzzles are encountered... I recall this game (but can't remember the title) that if you had it to RPG mode then it'll keep track of experience points and levels and skills etc, but in adventure mode you don't have to worry about all of that...

the problem with these games however is they tend to be rather short or linear and superficial, but the concept is there...

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