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#123822 - 01/24/03 02:14 PM Re: Which game is likely to attract the best trade ?
fanatic Offline
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Registered: 12/30/02
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Does that make me stupid? I guess to fanatic it does.
lakerz: I find that comment insulting.

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#123823 - 01/24/03 05:48 PM Re: Which game is likely to attract the best trade ?
SirDave Offline
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Registered: 01/14/03
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fanatic:

I'll try one last time: I understand your premise, but there is a difference between saying a game is not worth such-and-such and saying that a vendor like PGI is charging 'outrageous sums' and going 'beyond the scope of acceptable ethics'.

First of all, you're making an assumption that any buyer is forced, or is necessarily going to pay $240 for a game like REAH and secondly, the fact is, that a retail software outfit can charge anything they want. If PGI were to charge, say, $150 for a copy of Syberia, you would likely (I hope) consider that far to high and you would go elsewhere; PGI would lose your sale, but they couldn't be accused of being unethical (just unwise). Likewise, especially if you are a collector, it is you, not the vendor that determines what is fair by buying the game or not! Also, I might add, you describe yourself as a thrifty collector- that doesn't obligate PGI to price at your level.

By the way, FWIW, contrary to what has been said, the excellent-condition copy of REAH, PGI was selling was worth more than you might think. The red DVD REAH that was mentioned elsewhere sold for $90 or more on Ebay a few days ago. The fact is that most DVD copies of any adventure game are ordinarily worth less than the comparable CDROM version.

P.S. Not meaning to bang you over the head, just think that being a collector requires a special perspective. smile

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#123824 - 01/24/03 08:57 PM Re: Which game is likely to attract the best trade ?
gatorlaw Offline
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Registered: 11/01/99
Posts: 10308
Whew - it's geting a little hot in here smile

I know it can be annoying to see collectors and EBay bidders drive up the prices on old games. I have to admit that I have been shocked by the extent people have been willing to drive the price up for some games.

But it's a market driven system for any thing for sale. The value of any given object is always the price someone is willing to pay.

As for whether I would pay that price - probably not. But - if someone else is - hey it's their money. Bottom line is if someone really wants to sell an item and it's priced so high - no one will buy it - they'll either not sell it or drop the price til someone buys it.

I doubt that Playing games would have any price on any game, that wouldn't be dropped if it weren't selling. The other reason for maintaining a high price is that maybe the seller doesn't really want to sell it - unless they can get a certain amount of money for it.

Regardless, collectors generally are set on getting a specific title and will pay what ever they must pay to get that particular game.

Laura
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#123825 - 01/25/03 12:22 AM Re: Which game is likely to attract the best trade ?
fanatic Offline
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This is getting rediculous, but I hope this is the last time I have to do this (defend MY opinion).


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For me, and my opinions...

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Regardless of the games selling for less, in my opinion, the mere fact that they asked such an outrageous sum makes me question their ethics.
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For me, no game is worth more than $80. This pertains to me alone.
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For me, some of PGI's prices go beyond the scope of acceptable ethics. I still think they run a fine business, and I am not here to get people to voice negative opinions of PGI, nor not buy from them. Their pricing scheme, for selected items, made me feel, at the time, like stating my views. I do not regret doing so.
The quotes I pulled above are from what I have said earlier. I do this to show that everything I have said is my opinion, or what pertains to me and me alone. I find that PGI overcharges on certain items. You and others find their pricing scheme for out-of-print titles to be fair for those interested in buying them.

I never argued against your opinions. We are each entitled to our own views.


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I'll try one last time: I understand your premise, but there is a difference between saying a game is not worth such-and-such and saying that a vendor like PGI is charging 'outrageous sums' and going 'beyond the scope of acceptable ethics'.
Try what, to change my opinion on PGI's pricing scheme? I relayed my opinion and apparently I have to defend it. I am not sure why though.

And as I said before, I am not trying to get people to boycott PGI. I have bought from them in the past, and I will do so again if I get the desire to do so.

PGI is running a good, online business. For me, I just happen to see their fees for out-of-print games to be way too high. Again, this is an opinion call. No harm meant toward PGI. I assume you interpreted my opinions as attacks against PGI. I can assure you though, that I never intended to do so.

And I am not sure what you meant by banging me over the head. Does it matter what opinions towards things people have that do not coincide with yours?


gatorlaw: Yes, it is getting a bit hot in here. Hopefully this "discussion" will end very soon.

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But it's a market driven system for any thing for sale. The value of any given object is always the price someone is willing to pay.
There's a point to where this holds true & a point where this line gets crossed. My opinion of course. And according to SirDave, PGI's prices on some items (including Reah) weren't met. I am interested to know how much Reah sold for. I will never know, but interesting to me regardless. So, PGI obviously overprices if they aren't getting what they originally quoted.

Anywho, I hope this opinion bashing ends. This is getting a bit out of hand now. We are all entitled to our opinions... at least I thought that was how things went. smile


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#123826 - 01/25/03 01:08 AM Re: Which game is likely to attract the best trade ?
SirDave Offline
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Registered: 01/14/03
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Well, I don't want to carry this on any further either except to say that this wasn't opinion bashing at all but rather a defense of a company that I respect and which can't respond themselves for obvious reasons. When all is said and done if any business or even an individual were told they went 'beyond the scope of acceptable ethics', I have a feeling either entity would consider it an attack on their integrity more than just some mild, benign opinion.

But that's just me. Case closed (for me anyway).

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#123827 - 01/25/03 10:27 AM Re: Which game is likely to attract the best trade ?
Witchen Offline
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Registered: 05/26/99
Posts: 22381
Loc: Seattle Washington USA
Enuff' already, guys. smile

Hail to liberty and differences of opinion, for sure. But lets let this one die of natural causes.

Thanks. Love, Witchen =O)

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#123828 - 01/25/03 01:44 PM Re: Which game is likely to attract the best trade ?
AlMac43 Offline
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Registered: 06/14/00
Posts: 13
Loc: Largo, Florida USA
Hello everyone, Alan here from PGI.

A fellow Gameboomer alerted me to this topic and I certainly appreciate that and an opportunity to clear the air about an item or two.

First let me apologize to the membership here for finding my company in the middle of another heated discussion. It's never my intention to be the subject of such negative discussions. Certainly as company but mostly as a fellow gamer and consumer.

Let me start with the subject of the highly priced game REAH or any other highly priced games we currently have in our catalog for that matter.

The majority of the time the reason we must put such high prices on certain items stems from our willingness to find these games by customer request. All other times the price simply reflects what we paid to stock it for consumers & collectors.
Anyone who has frequented our website knows we do this finders service free of charge and enjoy doing so.

Most of the time when we find a game for someone we must purchase it as soon as possible in order to secure it or risk letting it get away. I’m quite sure anyone who knows about rare adventures will tell you how easy it is for one “to get away”. It’s happened to all of us collectors at one time or another.

Usually a customer request has a maximum dollar amount on what we can spend in order to secure it. When we find it we try and secure it somewhere under that amount and the customer is happy. End of story.
But on occasion we are victims of cancelled requests after securing such items. Thus we get stuck with the money spent. Sometimes this can be quite a lot of money such as the case of REAH & Flight of the Amazon Queen.
Did we spend too much on these games? For me personally, yes, absolutely, but only thinking it was doing what we were requested. People do have second thoughts when buying higher priced items and this is very understandable, but at the same time I am very glad this doesn't happen very often or I would not be in business very long.

When we do get stuck we try and get back as much of what we spent as we can. On some games we do recoup the money spent, but it some cases, if not most and especially in the case of the REAH game, we take a considerable loss in order to move the product out. This is a pretty normal practice in business. When some products do not sell, we clearance them out. Simple, yes?
Simply put, on some higher priced items, mainly rare collectables, we do sometimes negotiate to move them if they sit in inventory too long, but keep in mind it is usually at a loss for us and we try to avoid that for obvious reasons.

On all other inventory we simply use our percentage markup formula as most other companies do. That price directly reflects what we have to spend on the items. If they get discounted later it simply means we either clearance them at cost, near cost or at a loss. This is pretty normal business practice.

PGI does not practice ripping people off, period. That statement did indeed offend me, but I do understand why the statement was made even though I do not agree.

Sometimes a simple request for information will clear up questions such as why we charge what we charge for an item. I invite anyone to e-mail us with your questions anytime, as someone here will always gladly give you an answer. We answer all e-mails and do so as quickly as possible.

Thank you to Gameboomers for the time and space to respond to this debate. I hope this helps in some small way.

Good gaming everyone!

Alan
PGI

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#123829 - 01/25/03 01:57 PM Re: Which game is likely to attract the best trade ?
Gelert Offline
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Registered: 09/19/02
Posts: 1097
EEK !!! eek

Please note everyone that my contribution to this thread (which I now regret starting with my seemingly innocent question), ended with the posting copied below. Any subsequent escalation of emotions are nowt to do with lickle ol' me ! whistle whistle

Love and smoochies,

Gelert. <img border="0" alt="[kiss]" title="" src="graemlins/kiss.gif" />

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Originally posted by Gelert:
Thankyou everyone for your advice. I'm going to hang on to Amazon Queen for now and sell it in the distant future if no cracking trade offers appear. I've got one Bad Day already which I'll keep after playing, so it's not as if I needed it to play too. It was just that I'd believed that Bad Day was far more valuable for trading purposes and I'm still trying to attract a boxed Neverhood, Toltecs and others. It seems there isn't much difference except for system spec needs. I'll hang on and see what happens. It only cost me 7 quid so I'm not out of pocket. I'm in no rush with all the games I've got waiting and snarling with impatience for their turns.

Bye, and thanks, Gelert smile

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#123830 - 01/25/03 02:03 PM Re: Which game is likely to attract the best trade ?
fanatic Offline
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Registered: 12/30/02
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PGI does not practice ripping people off, period. That statement did indeed offend me, but I do understand why the statement was made even though I do not agree.

Sometimes a simple request for information will clear up questions such as why we charge what we charge for an item. I invite anyone to e-mail us with your questions anytime, as someone here will always gladly give you an answer. We answer all e-mails and do so as quickly as possible.
Without knowing the reason behind the pricing scheme of the out-of-print titles, I thought PGI was out to make a lot more than was invested. If this were the case, which it is not, I thought buyers were being taken advantage of.

Now knowing the reason behind the pricing scheme of said titles, I understand why they are priced as they are. It's a shame that you get stuck with products as you do. And taking a loss for the time, effort and money you invested per title is a terrible thing to experience.

So, I'd like to apologize for my earlier opinions, and I would like to thank you for taking the time to come here and explain. I'll be sure to spread the word if asked in the future, and to my acquaintances.

Good luck with your future endeavors.


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#123831 - 01/25/03 02:12 PM Re: Which game is likely to attract the best trade ?
gatorlaw Offline
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Registered: 11/01/99
Posts: 10308
Thanks for the reply Alan.

I will have to say that I have dealt with PGI more than a couple of times and their contact person is the best. I do hope that Brittany is still answering the phone and taking care of customers there. I have never failed to get immediate answers and more importantly solutions to any problems, issues or just general info requests. smile

wave Hi Brittany!
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