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#124215 - 03/01/03 11:27 PM Re: Why do other genre gamers hate us so much???
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#124216 - 03/02/03 05:51 AM Re: Why do other genre gamers hate us so much???
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Originally posted by girlgeek:
I've posted on other gaming boards and been met with downright hateful flaming just for expressing my love of adventures.
What gaming board is this. I'll sort them out... mad
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#124217 - 03/02/03 06:36 AM Re: Why do other genre gamers hate us so much???
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Most of them are young,male and hyped up on the adrenalin rush of the games.My son is 14 and plays Halo/Unreal/Serious Sam like a demon.He refuses to play them with me anymore because he gets bored at how bad I am due entirely to me having appallingly slow reactions compared to his younger body.Add to this the fact he is a typical moody teenager who naturally doesn't want me(his mother and an adult) to butt into his interests and hobbies and I think that you have the recipe for apparent aggression against adventure gamers because we tend to be older.Their attitude may be those that those who can, do action,those who can't, do adventure.The PC Games magazines also tend to reflect this attitude as most of the writers are in the younger section of 20-30.

I just stay away from sites like that.There are plenty dedicated to adventure games.Some of the ones set up for specific games spring to mind as well as this one.

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#124218 - 03/02/03 07:52 AM Re: Why do other genre gamers hate us so much???
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"those who can, do action,those who can't, do adventure"

I love this statement! Action gamers should enjoy their youth while they still can. They'll have plenty of years left to appreciate slow-moving adventures when their reflexes are shot.

Maybe adventure gamers posting on action forums are a nasty reminder of the inevitable day when you can't complete a game because you can't move fast enough. That day when your hearing is no longer so good and your vision dims. That day you can't distinguish real maple syrup from the imitation stuff. That horrible day when you wake up and realize: "It's come to this -- I can maintain my competence as a gamer only if I stick to games like Myst!"

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#124219 - 03/02/03 11:50 AM Re: Why do other genre gamers hate us so much???
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Don't be too hard on the younger, male actioneer. Being surly and nasty is part of the act. I have a 16 year old nephew who has a black belt in Karate, helps his master teach classes, goes out to his grandparents, helps his grandmother in the kitchen, helps his grandfather ride the rounds out on the farm. He's a good student, very friendly and respectful. But get that guy on an online shooter and he becomes this killing machine, ripping swaths through the other young players. There is a function where you can type text and taunt the other players and he shakes his head at some of the stuff they say. Still, who knows what happens when he plays alone. Anyway, it is a virtual environment. As in, not real. Like Jack says, we should ALL check our biases at the door.

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#124220 - 03/02/03 11:56 AM Re: Why do other genre gamers hate us so much???
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Hi I think part of the intolerance of the people that play the shoot um up type games is age. Adventure game players are a mature lot (from a poll).The gamers that think the shoot and kill games are the only worthwhile ones are a much younger group, on the average. No one is as smart as a second year college student. The older you get the more you realize how little you know. Also instant gratification comes into play. You have to wait --sometimes weeks to get that charge from adventure games. A very poor second to blast and kill in many of the other type games. These are NOW games. Anyway I have played both and much prefer to think and solve rather than run around with a "zapper gun" or some such thing. There is room for us all (from Witchen) and hopefully we will all get along.
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#124221 - 03/02/03 01:49 PM Re: Why do other genre gamers hate us so much???
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I would just like to mention as a person as fond of RPGs as I am of adventures, that I really don't see the bias on RPG forums against adventurers either. And they are generally just as maligned by some of the FPS type boards.Not action gamers as a whole. Everyone has already said it before, so I won't belabor the point that age seems to me to be a huge factor, but also I think the moderators set the tone for any forum - and there are adventure forums that malign other adventure forums too. We're so lucky to have a place like GB where that sort of thing is not tolerated, and everyone is welcome.
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#124222 - 03/02/03 02:47 PM Re: Why do other genre gamers hate us so much???
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I've been on the net for ages...since 91...and I've never come across such a more welcoming, kind and helpful board as this.

There's just way too many people on the net who like to stir up [blip]. As they remain anonymous, they feel more powerful.

I know my future stepsons think i'm absolutely insane for playing adventure games. They'd rather pull their fingernails out than have to sit down and read and use their brains. So, what it comes down to is the gender gap.
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#124223 - 03/02/03 03:55 PM Re: Why do other genre gamers hate us so much???
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Originally posted by Worthums:
I've been on the net for ages...since 91...and I've never come across such a more welcoming, kind and helpful board as this.

There's just way too many people on the net who like to stir up [blip]. As they remain anonymous, they feel more powerful.

I know my future stepsons think i'm absolutely insane for playing adventure games. They'd rather pull their fingernails out than have to sit down and read and use their brains. So, what it comes down to is the gender gap.
I agree with you. When my boys where teenagers the would spend hours "stirring up trouble" in chat rooms and message boards. They thought it was hysterictly funny and powerful to make fun and flame and whatnot....that is, until one day...someone did it to someone they loved...me.
You should have seen them. They were furious, after all how dare some "idoit" on a message board hurt they're mom's feelings, make her cry and upset her (it didn't really make me cry ..I just led them to believe it did, I WAS trying to make a point with them, after all) I told them through my sobs (I'm good at "sobs") that all I had done was ask a question and immediately I was virtually screamed at. Flamed! I asked them, "Well, why should you care? After all, you boys do it to other people all the time."
Do you know that from that day on both my boys stopped their "flamethrowers" and attitude on message boards. It made them realize that they really had no clue who the "human being" is behind that screen name that they were ready to "burn" They both realized that what they were indulging in was a form of "ignorant cowardice".
They never looked at it as though they were being rude and hurting people's feeling. They realize now though. They spent the rest of their "teenage years helping people instead of hurting them." And now and then jumping in and downright saving them if needs be. Yup, I watched my sons grow that day, that one little step that true adults call "understanding". It was a beautiful thing.
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#124224 - 03/02/03 06:53 PM Re: Why do other genre gamers hate us so much???
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Most of the people that play action games are youngsters. For me I don't hate anyone else for playing what they love.

I love adventure games because is an escape from the real world. Adventure games takes me to a whole new world of imagination and I love that. I don't need anymore violence, I get that from Televsion.

And I have played action games, but it is not my cup of tea.

I love adventure games and the makers of adventure games, their imagination their stories and challenges the mind.

I know a few people who only played action games, and I lend them some of my adventure games and they loved it. So for those who never played adventure games, don't knock it until you try it.

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#124225 - 03/02/03 09:30 PM Re: Why do other genre gamers hate us so much???
ramona Offline
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I pretty much agree with everything I saw here. I know that because I am a part of a community that welcomes all gamers has given me a bug to try RPG games(got to be turn based since I have no quick reflexes and I'm 30) lol

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#124226 - 03/02/03 10:10 PM Re: Why do other genre gamers hate us so much???
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Shorah smile

I began my gaming life as a teen with the Zork series, but back then pc "action" titles were laughable so I cant claim any real temptation. Alternatives ate my few extra quarters too quickly smile

Since then I've played quite a few platformers, puzzlers, rpgs, and a few action-adventure games (mostly Zelda). I dont like or dislike games because they are of a particular genre, I like them when they are well-made, clean,intelligent fun. (even 2 outta 3 aint bad) Adventure games currently give me more of that than most other options. I like a good story. When its also "purty" & has good puzzles, life is very, very good laugh

I agree that the rpg-ers are, by & large, less hostile to the adventure game crowd. A number of them arent averse to at least trying an adventure game. After all, a good RPG requires patience, memory skills, and some strategy. More occasionally you get a lengthy and/or complex story to go with it all (Final Fantasy 3 & Chronotrigger come to mind)

I dont think the hostility that some action/fps boards sport is entirely a youth or male thing (though that often affects the form of expression) Young women in these online worlds adopt the same manners & mannerisms to fit in...which is telling. The games in question encourage aggressiveness & soldier-like attitudes ("us" vs "them") which carries over into forums.

(Adventure gaming must be as totally "them" as you can get!)

& Some of the noise is actually defensive (we may feel dumb next to you puzzlers but we're tough!)

A number of game mags & mods reinforce the stupidity, making it "socially acceptable" to be rude to and about gentler forms of entertainment frown

Not all action gamers ARE hostile though. Some who have the reflexes see things like Quake, Halo, Wolfeinstein et al as a good place to blow off some steam & relax. Kinda like solitaire with a machine gun. They dont take it seriously. Some of them enjoy adventure games, rpgs, even 1000+ page novels. I dont want to over--generalize. Myst, Civilization, & Doom may not seem like compatible interests but my husband enjoyed them all. He's never flamed anyone.

There are and there have always been, plenty of young men & women who enjoy games like Myst, Mario Sunshine, Tetris, Pandora's Box, & Riddle of the Sphinx.

As housewife pointed out, many havent tried adventure gaming. Until they do, they dont understand the attractions. They don't know they are "smart enough"

IMO, that discovery makes a big difference

hope you dont mind my rattling on,

Salar smile

Im currently playing/replaying (in pieces as time & interest beckon) : Mario Sunshine & Zelda:Ocarina on the Gamecube, Schizm & Mystery of the Nautilus on pc (I like the game, I love Jules Verne, but I hate that robot gggrrrrr), & Chronotrigger on ps1

and Im reading 3 books (not simultaneously)

but I will set aside all I havent finished when Omega Stone gets here laugh laugh laugh

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#124227 - 03/02/03 11:34 PM Re: Why do other genre gamers hate us so much???
Glynn Offline
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Hi "Fellow Boomers"!! I just want to say...this is the best place to be if you are looking for a "hint, gentle push..or a great big shove" In an Adventure, RPG, Action..or whatever! I think it is great that there are different types of games..and even greater that there are different types of "people" who play them!! {good thing we don't all like the same things..:-)}I play more Adventure games than anything else..but I also play Action/RPG's too.. Keep Smiling! :-) Glynn

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#124228 - 03/03/03 03:29 AM Re: Why do other genre gamers hate us so much???
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Boomers is a great place thanks to the subtle moderation.

There are people out there whose idea of a good time is being rude. One of the long established Adventure newsgroups had more than its share of pretentious putdowns. Each to their own - I'll stick with sites like Boomers.
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#124229 - 03/03/03 11:20 AM Re: Why do other genre gamers hate us so much???
emma Offline
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I used to think that action gamers hated adventure gamers, until one guy angrily told me "you adventure game players always look down at us action gamers", which certainly struck a cord. Somehwere along the line, adventure became the smart people's choice and action the dumb kid's preferred choice. EXTREME generalization, of course. I'm thinking that this somehow has become a vicious circle, that if adventure is mentioned in action gatherings, they feel an imminent snob attack coming, and vice versa.

Of course, there will always be a certain amount of insensitive morons on any place, much less here of course, wink but sometimes it's worth to think about why on earth this "competition" between the genres exist. Why can't everybody just get along... <img border="0" alt="[winky]" title="" src="graemlins/winky.gif" />
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