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#124245 - 03/04/03 06:03 PM Re: Why do other genre gamers hate us so much???
tigger Offline
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Registered: 04/02/01
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Well...

Having just wrestled with the audio puzzle in real Myst.. Maybe they are sooooo jealous that we can still hear REAL sounds such as birds singing in the trees.. lol

After all the assault their eardrums get from playing FPS games, they will be in first line for deafness/tinnitus lol I bet Most of them play with headphones on...

Tig
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#124246 - 03/04/03 06:59 PM Re: Why do other genre gamers hate us so much???
gatorlaw Offline
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Registered: 11/01/99
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I wasn't disagreeing with you Singer. Actually - it was more that your comments triggered those thoughts. What I wrote isn't the sun total of my views on the industry - just an aspect of it.

I also think that marketing is needed to stimulate sales. There are also quite a few people out there who have no idea such games even exist and might prefer to play them as a family or even get them over console games for their younger kids to play.

On a personal preference note - I actually prefer the games of recent years over many of the older classics per se. I enjoy enhanced graphics, deeper sound tracks and a more versitile interface as well as plot lines. But when I consider that I do like the classics - and not everyone is fond of a more active game model - then I think that to build improvements into the genre - it has to be in terms of enhancements at first and not mucking around too much with the basic model. My preference would be to see more innovative plots and locales, throwing in alternate paths internally. The interface - I would think it best to leave mouse oriented. That seems to be one of the biggest sticky points for the majority of adventure gamers.

As for the new BS3, Sam and Max and even Full Throttle 2 - I will get them - play them and probably love the heck out of at least one if not all of them. laugh

Laura
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#124247 - 03/04/03 08:02 PM Re: Why do other genre gamers hate us so much???
Singer Offline
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Yep, good insights all, Laura. smile Those types of enhancements are right along the lines of what I think are needed, too. Branching paths and multiple puzzle solutions are right at the top of my wish list. Plus the inclusion of actual AI instead of hard-scripted triggers would be a HUGE bonus (but that's getting back into the cost and time issue... sigh....)

Jack
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#124248 - 03/04/03 08:55 PM Re: Why do other genre gamers hate us so much???
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One sentence says it nicely. Violent video games linked to aggressive behavior. And I like playing them. <img border="0" alt="cry" title="" src="graemlins/cry.gif" />

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#124249 - 03/04/03 10:06 PM Re: Why do other genre gamers hate us so much???
gatorlaw Offline
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Oh don't worry Coreoverload,

My parents said the same thing about us watching The Three Stooges and I never once hit my brother in the head with a hammer. I like FSP's too. GTA Vice City is on the console deck now. I tend to think that it is a safe and non-real way to get rid of excess stress. vroom vroom. laugh

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#124250 - 03/04/03 10:25 PM Re: Why do other genre gamers hate us so much???
Singer Offline
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Yeah, I wouldn't sweat that, COL. Did you know that all serial killers brush their teeth? Oh no!! I brush my teeth!!! laugh (see?)

Yes, that's a completely ridiculous correlation. I play lots of violent games, and I'm completely harmless (and I'll pummel the living daylights out of anyone that claims otherwise... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="cool.gif" /> )

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#124251 - 03/04/03 10:32 PM Re: Why do other genre gamers hate us so much???
Salar of Myst Offline
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Registered: 12/06/02
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Shorah,

Do you regard works like Freddi Fish, Manhole ME, Cluefinders, & Spyfox as adventures? I always thought they were. They seemed to give my kids the same sort of "I soved it" thrill so at least they're good training for the "real thing"
yes? no?


games in boxes:)

I think its possible to come out of the "niche" and reach other folks.

I sincerely hope that MystOnline / URU manages to do just that.

My kids enjoyed "exploring" Myst long before they were able to understand how to play it. We've tried copies of Myst on all sorts of folks, usually with good results. Many adventure games demand you solve a puzzle before you can go very far. The Myst/Riven model allows you to simply wander good sized areas first, working on puzzles as you get around to them. IMHO, this is less intimidating to first timers, which may explain part of Myst's larger appeal.

I wonder how many adventure gamers began with Humongous or Cyan titles?

My kids are now cheerfully trying out some of our adventure games at their own pace. My 14 yr old refused to play Syberia wiht my Mother, my son, and myself because she didnt want to be "spoiled"

heh. She makes me proud laugh

I hope there are many good games like it out there when she is older.

If Uru does very well, adventure game companies might suddenly find they were popular with the publishing companies again. Whether that would be a good or bad thing, I dont know. Gatorlaw makes good points on the topic.

just my two zorkmids,

Salar

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#124252 - 03/04/03 11:31 PM Re: Why do other genre gamers hate us so much???
Advpuzlov Offline
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This has been a delightful thread to read, GIRLGEEK. I suspect you didn't realize what interesting ideas and opinions your posting was going to lead to. smile

I play Mahjongg Master as a "thumb twiddler". That's the game where you have to recognize pairs and click them off until none are left. The deal is it is TIMED, and you know how much I dislike timed puzzles. But this is different in that it requires quick scanning of the pile of tiles, immediate recognition of pairs and, if there are three of a kind, which pair will present the greater benefit, and then snappy mouse movement and clicking. This is my version of an "Action Game." So I'm not completely averse to the adrenaline rush which comes with high paced action. It's mostly the killing and maiming I don't care for. Oh, none of my young hotshots have been able to match my scores on Mahjongg Master -- a source of secret glee for me. laugh

However, this thread has forced me to look at my attitude toward the "shoot-em-up" crowd and confess that I have had a feeling of "superiority" because I prefer the "thoughtful" and "mentally demanding" Adventure/Puzzle games. I repent and in the future will strike those thoughts out of my mind as soon as they appear, as I am sure they will. laugh
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#124253 - 03/06/03 08:43 AM Re: Why do other genre gamers hate us so much???
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Registered: 02/08/02
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Reading through this thread (and, man, people complained about the verbiage in The Longest Jouney!!) I realize that I do like some of the classic first person shooters (Doom, Quake 1&2) but b/c I have don't have the reflexes/hand-eye coordination to play them straight, I play them in God mode and, therefore, as adventures! I like the searching through corridors for keys, etc and working my way to the next level. I can't tolerate the sustained adrenaline rush of peeking around corners, ducking and shooting. Too spooky and draining for me (I preferred watching my son do this). In God mode I can sit and shoot and move on. It's cheating but it works for me. Now in terms of FPSs and violence, I am a Black Belt and have been teaching Tang Soo Do for 12 years but there is a developed calmness in kata and sparring (moving meditation, if you will) that I can't get into while gaming b/c at the computer only the hands and eyes are involved, not the whole body. But I love puzzles which is why I play adventures and play FPSs and some RPGs with cheat codes (I liked Diablo 1&2 but once I get bogged down at higher levels I quit feeling that I have enjoyed what I played and I have no qualms about moving onto something else. Younger people enjoy the challenge of finishing the game but, certainly, age and accumulated wisdom teach us to set priorities). [BTW - I remember playing Dungeon Master on the Amiga - the first dungeon crawl and having nightmares about blue beasts for weeks!!)
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#124254 - 03/06/03 10:08 PM Re: Why do other genre gamers hate us so much???
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