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#134903 - 07/06/03 02:42 AM Zork Nemesis complete install to hard drive
Jenny100 Offline
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I just noticed this post in the adventure newsgroup. If it works, it's a perfect solution to anyone having trouble changing from CD 1. It's also useful for anyone who simply does not want to deal with the CD swapping.

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Subject: Re: Zork Nemesis - is a full hard-disk install possible?
From: Robert Gault

Yes, this is one of many games that can be made to fully install on a large hard drive.

First install the game in the normal fashion. Then copy the ZASSETS directory from each CDROM into the main Zork directory on your hard drive. Then look for the file nemesis.zix in the hard drive directory. This is a text file which needs to be edited so that the game won't look for CDs but rather the hard drive directory.

In nemesis.zix, you will see a list of DIR: and CD# entries. You need to edit all CD# entries so that they read DIR and you must add before each zassets a .\ The entries will then look like:

DIR: .\zassets
DIR: .\zassets\global
DIR: .\zassets\global\venus
DIR: .\zassets\temple
DIR: .\zassets\temple
DIR: .\zassets
DIR: .\zassets\global2
DIR: .\zassets\conserv
DIR: .\zassets\monast
DIR: .\zassets\global3
DIR: .\zassets\asylum
DIR: .\zassets\castle
DIR: .\zassets\endgame

That's all there is to it!

You should note that the game runs much too fast on modern systems. It will probably be necessary to disable all DirectX acceleration and use a program like CPUKiller as well.


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#134904 - 07/06/03 08:38 AM Re: Zork Nemesis complete install to hard drive
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Thanks Jenny,
I love complete install, no spinning cd.
Besides, how else do fill an 80gig hard drive?
After fifteen months, 54gigs free. I will try
it soon. Loved the game.
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#134905 - 07/06/03 12:27 PM Re: Zork Nemesis complete install to hard drive
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I wonder what the names of the "many" other games that can be installed to the harddrive might be(?) and how they might be done. It's obvious a simple copy and paste won't work. laugh
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#134906 - 07/06/03 01:54 PM Re: Zork Nemesis complete install to hard drive
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I wonder too.
I know about Riven - you copy the contents of the Data folder on all the CD's to the Data folder in your Riven installation.
And I was able to get Broken Sword to run from the hard drive in DOS mode.
And the the UK version of the Longest Journey can be made to run from the hard drive (unlike the USA version, the UK version doesn't install everything to the hard drive).
Alice: An Interactive Adventure ran from the hard drive after simply copying the contents of the CD to a folder on the hard drive.
Dark Fall will also. In fact it's recommended that you run it from the hard drive for best performance.

I just sent a post to the adventure newsgroup asking about other games. We'll see if I get an answer.

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#134907 - 07/06/03 10:36 PM Re: Zork Nemesis complete install to hard drive
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If you learn of more that can be placed on the harddrive, how about making a new thread on that subject so we'll know there are more games covered in the post. laugh
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#134908 - 07/06/03 11:26 PM Re: Zork Nemesis complete install to hard drive
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OK.

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#134909 - 07/07/03 12:57 AM Re: Zork Nemesis complete install to hard drive
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Journeyman Project Turbo! can be fully installed to the hard drive by following the instructions in the read me file (basically copying all the files on the CD to the JMAN directory on the Hard drive and then editing JMAN.ini to point to the directory instead of the CD. Same thing with Mystery of the Druids I think. And Gabriel Knight 3 can be almost fully installed by copying the "Day".BRN-files in the DATA folders on the CD:s to the DATA folder in the game directory. You still have to swap CD:s (which isn't to bad in that game) but the performance will improve greatly. Maybe the game can be fully installed by copying all the files in the DATA folders on the CD:s to the hard drive (and maybe editing some .INI-file)? I'll try it the next time I play it.

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#134910 - 07/07/03 11:49 AM Re: Zork Nemesis complete install to hard drive
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Here are the instructions for installing Mystery of the Druids to the hard drive:

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1. Create two directories in the MotD installation directory; name them "Disk1" and "Disk2".
2. Copy all "resource.*" files from CD "Present" to "Disk1" and from CD "Past" to "Disk2".
3. That

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#134911 - 07/07/03 01:07 PM Re: Zork Nemesis complete install to hard drive
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I bought a utility program called 'CDAnywhere' sometime ago and have used it to copy CDs to my hard drive for a number of games including Tex Murphy 'The Overseer', RHEM and others.

You can create up to 23 virtual CD drives on your PC which means you can install quite a few games. Some of the games will not allow the use of a program like 'CDAnywhere' to copy the CD image to a hard drive and for that you would need to find out if there's an alternate way to copy the CDs or if there just isn't anyway to do it.

There's another program available to do the same thing but I can't remember the name of it right now.

Robert

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#134912 - 07/07/03 01:58 PM Re: Zork Nemesis complete install to hard drive
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A couple more: Faust and Reah.

The procedure for Faust is here
http://justadventure.com/CrashDomain/wt/completed/faust/faust.html

Here is the procedure for Reah (also thanks to Robert Gault, who wrote the procedure for Faust)

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Reah, a six CD game, can be installed to run from a hard drive. First run the normal installation procedure.

Now, each Reah disk has a Reah directory. Transfer the contents of each disk Reah directory into your hard drive Reah game directory. This will add information to the Anims and Sfx directories already on the hard drive.

Each CD also has a file Disc.id# in the root directory. Transfer each of these files to the root directory of the hard drive on which you installed the game.

During installation, a Reah icon was installed on your desktop. Right click on this and modify the .pif information under Properties. Look for a Path entry in the Target line. It will say Path=E:\Reah assuming E is your CDROM. Change this to point to your Reah game directory, ex.
Path=E:\Games\Reah.

The game should now run from the hard drive and not ask for CD changes.

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#134913 - 07/07/03 09:06 PM Re: Zork Nemesis complete install to hard drive
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Wow Jenny, this is great information. I know that disc swapping is tedious for many people and this information will be very helpful. I agree with BillyBob that a new section located at the top of the page along with Walkthroughs, etc. would be great. Something like Full install games or CD to Hard Disk games, etc. etc. etc. I think you get my meaning. It could be alphabetized just like the walkthroughs. Keeping that information readily available would be wonderful instead of searching through past threads. That's just my 2 cents worth. :-)
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#134914 - 07/07/03 11:48 PM Re: Zork Nemesis complete install to hard drive
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I wanted to see if we can get a more complete list of games that can be made to run from the hard drive before making a separate thread.

Also, I'd like the list to be of games that don't require a CD emulation program in order to do this. Multi-CD games that can be made to run with a CD emulation program without needing to unmount and remount the disk images can be another thread.

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#134915 - 07/07/03 11:55 PM Re: Zork Nemesis complete install to hard drive
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Fresh from the adventure newsgroup: Amerzone
This one requires you to edit the registry.

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Amerzone can be installed and run from a hard drive without using CDs.

Install the game in the normal fashion. Then copy from each CD a directory that starts with 0#VR to the Amerzone directory on your hard drive. Then search the Registry for an entry L'Amerzone. Expand this until you see and entry for Source. Make this entry exactly the same as the one indicating your hard drive directory.

The game will then run without CDs.

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#134916 - 07/08/03 12:45 AM Re: Zork Nemesis complete install to hard drive
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Quote:
Originally posted by Jenny100:
Multi-CD games that can be made to run with a CD emulation program without needing to unmount and remount the disk images can be another thread.
Since I got my CD-Anywhere I've played the following multi-CD games with the following results:

Been able to mount each CD image in its own virtual drive and forget about swapping altogether:

The Crystal Key
Dracula 1 and 2
Road to India
Morpheus
Gabriel Knight 3 (but recieved a lot of "unrecognized fatal errors")

Been able to swap CD images in a single virtual drive from within the game with the use of a hot key:

Phantasmagoria and Beyond Time.

None of the above (games that only "see" one drive and that don't allow the hot key signal to reach CD-Anywhere for the change):

Reah (thanks for the full installation tip!!)
Traitors Gate

I've heard that Virtual CD works better than CD-Anywhere when it comes to swapping CD images in a single drive from within the game. It's said to have a better designed hot key.

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#134917 - 07/17/03 12:35 PM Re: Zork Nemesis complete install to hard drive
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To Jenny - have followed Robert Gault's directions up to the nemesis.zix file and it shows on my PC as a windows file. Try as I might I cannot find a program in the "open list" that will open it so I can do the directories as Gault suggests. Do you know how I might e-mail him to see how he opened this file?
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#134918 - 07/17/03 01:01 PM Re: Zork Nemesis complete install to hard drive
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You can edit Nemesis.zix using Notepad.

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#134919 - 07/17/03 05:20 PM Re: Zork Nemesis complete install to hard drive
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I never would have believed you could use Notepad but it worked! Hate to be an ignorant pest but now how do I keep the files that way? I changed every file to a DIR but when I went back, they had all changed back to their original lettering.

Tried saving but that did not work unless I did it wrong, tried a find and replace feature but that did not work either.

I am missing something here?
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#134920 - 07/17/03 10:17 PM Re: Zork Nemesis complete install to hard drive
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You save the changes before you exit.

You may have to remove a read-only property before you can do this. In Win98, you can check if the file is read only by by right-clicking the file, choosing Properties, and checking to see if the box next to read-only has a check in it. If it does, you'd need to remove the check. If not, you should be able to change the file. That's in Win 98 anyway.

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#134921 - 07/18/03 11:50 AM Re: Zork Nemesis complete install to hard drive
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Ok Jenny understand and will follow through. Won one battle anyway - finally got my PC to recognize the disk in the drive in this game. Had been told that you play a disk from the drive where you install it. I always install on my DVD - never thought a burner would do installation.

Had installed ZN on my DVDRom drive and for some reason out of desperation I guess, I put the disk in the burner driver - lo and behold the game started right up!!!! This is on WinXP.

Of course still have the other problems of fast panning and disk changing but at least have some answers for those - just remains for me to struggle along with them. smile
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#134922 - 07/18/03 02:21 PM Re: Zork Nemesis complete install to hard drive
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You shouldn't need to change the disks if you've edited the file correctly.

I never noticed if this is true for Zork Nemesis, but some games (eg - In Cold Blood and Gold and Glory) require that you always play from the drive with the lower drive letter, no matter which drive you install from.

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#134923 - 07/18/03 06:43 PM Re: Zork Nemesis complete install to hard drive
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Have a lot to learn about games, drives and installing yet I can see.

And are you ready for the big party?!!!! With your help and R. Gault I now have ZNemesis running on WinXP and playing away!!!!!!!

I did the changes of the zix. file, and I disable all the dx acceleration. These two things now have me playing without any disks, and no need to change disks and the fast panning has become manageable!!!!!

It has been a long hard learning struggle to get to this point and I owe it to you and Gault for the final finishing touches. Thanks so much for your patience, time and tips that enabled me to reach this point.
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#134924 - 07/21/03 01:33 PM Re: Zork Nemesis complete install to hard drive
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Have been playing ZorkN successfully up until the castle Irondune where I am in the lab trying to get Kaine's symbol made into metal. Have followed the WT word by word and get the message the metal is at optimum processing mode but cannot get the arm and fan to work so that the mold will turn into a metal. I followed Gault's procedure re putting all files on hard disk and altering some of them. Have had no problems up until now. Anyone have a clue here as to how I can proceed?
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#134925 - 07/21/03 02:16 PM Re: Zork Nemesis complete install to hard drive
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I think this may be a Hints problem rather than a Glitch problem. I remember having trouble at this point too, but I don't remember how I solved it.

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#134926 - 07/21/03 02:54 PM Re: Zork Nemesis complete install to hard drive
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Hmmmmm well will keep on a truckin' and check out more sites for hints. Don't think it is in the temp guage place because I get the go ahead message to process the ore to metal symbol. If I learn anything will post - for others.
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#134927 - 07/22/03 06:41 AM Re: Zork Nemesis complete install to hard drive
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Our HINTS forum has had some threads about this very problem. It is a real tricky part, but when you get it done it is also a "DUH!!!' moment.
If you are running out of time, hop the elevator up and back down and the timer starts again.
Did you put the mold into the cauldron tray? Then solve the Reactor Cooling Pool Puzzle,(a BELL sounds when it is right) press the ARM button, when the hot iron comes out, press the FAN button, take the iron.
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#134928 - 07/22/03 10:47 AM Re: Zork Nemesis complete install to hard drive
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Hello desertlilac,
I liked the start of this thread,ZN full install.
I played this game two years ago on my WIN98. I thought that I would try the WINxp. I loaded up the game,downloaded the patches. I set comp.mode at WIN95 and 16bit graphic and started playing.
I forgot all about Jenny100 and full install.
I am now at the Conservatory playing instruments.
I should be to Irondune by this evening. I have scraps of notes that I made before. I also used the help lady and the subtitles are nice. Also,
to slow the fast side pan,I used the left/right arrow keys and mouse for left click foreword.
Best Wishes,
Rick
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