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#343162 - 06/11/08 09:18 PM Message from Tri Synergy about Limbo of the Lost
Becky Offline
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Tri Synergy Comments on Recent Limbo of the Lost/Oblivion Comparisons


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Tri Synergy, Inc. (www.trisynergy.com) would like to publish an official comment regarding recent comparisons of level design and artwork between Majestic Studios’ Limbo of the Lost and Bethesda’s The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion/Eidos Interactive’s Thief: Deadly Shadows.

Tri Synergy is just as shocked as everyone else is by the recent screenshot comparisons. At no point during our dealings with Majestic Studios up until the point that the comparison was first publicly made by a third party did we have any knowledge of these similarities. Additionally, Tri Synergy will discontinue distribution of Limbo of the Lost in both retail and online outlets.

We have contacted the developer, Majestic, and are anxiously awaiting their response. As soon as we know more on this matter we will issue another statement.

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#343163 - 06/11/08 09:20 PM Re: Message from Tri Synergy about Limbo of the Lost [Re: Becky]
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Oh, Dear

So ..Becky ..Does that mean there will be no more games from them frown
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#343165 - 06/11/08 09:24 PM Re: Message from Tri Synergy about Limbo of the Lost [Re: Darleen03]
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Well, I would be VERY surprised if there were more games from the developers (Majestic Studios) after this.

I don't know how this will affect Tri Synergy (US publisher) or G2 Games (UK publisher). I think we're just going to have to wait and see what happens.

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#343201 - 06/11/08 10:49 PM Re: Message from Tri Synergy about Limbo of the Lost [Re: Becky]
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There are some screen shot comparisons in this thread over at JA.

Thread

It seems there are some issues with written dialog as well.

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#343205 - 06/11/08 11:00 PM Re: Message from Tri Synergy about Limbo of the Lost [Re: oldmariner]
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Looks like both the G2 Games version and the Tri Synergy version of this game are going to become collectors' items.

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#343206 - 06/11/08 11:02 PM Re: Message from Tri Synergy about Limbo of the Lost [Re: Jenny100]
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Shhhh!

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#343208 - 06/11/08 11:06 PM Re: Message from Tri Synergy about Limbo of the Lost [Re: Becky]
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That was my thought too Jenny...

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#343213 - 06/11/08 11:13 PM Re: Message from Tri Synergy about Limbo of the Lost [Re: Ivinia]
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I would think this would make the game more fun to play for gamers who enjoy action and RPG games as well as adventures. They could have contests with each other picking out where the different parts of the game came from. Someone should make a website about it. This is a great candidate for JA's Dungeon of Shame.

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#343221 - 06/11/08 11:41 PM Re: Message from Tri Synergy about Limbo of the Lost [Re: Jenny100]
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It's also noteworthy that this same Limbo of the Lost game was the source of so much controversy in this forum several months ago (December or so?) when a seemingly immature individual connected with the game's development criticized a reviewer at GB. The plot thickens considerably now.
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#343225 - 06/11/08 11:51 PM Re: Message from Tri Synergy about Limbo of the Lost [Re: Becky]
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I well remember when the designer(s) posted on this board, prior to the game's release, due to the fracas that ensued. That was memorable right there, but I never could have imagined this particular denouement.

And, yes, perversely, I am glad that I own a copy of this game;it's definitely destined for a grotesque notoriety (!).

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#343226 - 06/11/08 11:54 PM Re: Message from Tri Synergy about Limbo of the Lost [Re: Becky]
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Originally Posted By: Becky
Shhhh!

You got that right -

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#343227 - 06/11/08 11:56 PM Re: Message from Tri Synergy about Limbo of the Lost [Re: InlandAZ]
oldmariner Offline
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InlandAZ have not seen you around in awhile. How are you?

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#343230 - 06/12/08 12:32 AM Re: Message from Tri Synergy about Limbo of the Lost [Re: oldmariner]
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Been just fine oldmariner - how's by you?

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#343247 - 06/12/08 03:17 AM Re: Message from Tri Synergy about Limbo of the Lost [Re: InlandAZ]
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This is sad day for us independent developers out there. Not wanting to repeat myself, I've commented on the news:

http://forum.dead-code.org/index.php?topic=2746.msg18387#msg18387

WME community is deeply saddened that we helped to create this act of plagiatorism by providing tons of ready-to-use code, advices etc. We hope publishers out there won't take this as a precedense and use it against us who honestly invest tons of hours into creating our own games.

I wish to SBOVIS/FABLE and all other his aliases to look in the mirror and ponder if this is the life he wants to live.
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#343272 - 06/12/08 06:03 AM Re: Message from Tri Synergy about Limbo of the Lost [Re: metamorphium]
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iF this is true, then it is indeed a sad day for independent developers.

However, I remeber someone claiming that STALKER (I think it was Stalker) also had stole textures from either Oblivion or Doom 3. It was later revealed that both the devs. behind STALKER and the devs. from Oblivion or DOOM 3 had licensed the exact same assets from a third party (russian?) webiste/firm where they could get them for free, I think?

My guess is that this at least in part could be an explanation here.

The bigger discussion it this one:

Do Bethesda or any other game developer have copy right to a staircase used in a mansion in a game? If they have, then the whole gaming community could well be in trouble asd this would mean that noone ever could make a traditional mansion with a long winding staircase...

I'm not advocating theft or IP or copy right infringement here,
and I think it is sad when Majestic Studio indeed took a shortcut by imitating (or copying) some or all of Oblivion's content or rooms in Oblivion.

The story in Limbo of the Lost seems nowhere to be ripped off from Oblivion which is what I hear when I hear the word 'level design'.

Many games today use the Unreal 3 engine (like Oblivion) and many games today also use Speedtree, and Havoc for physics effects. That's why they apparently all look the same today s compared to the game of yesteryear where handcolored backgrounds were much more prevalent.

Again, I'm not saying that Majestic Studios didn't do anything wrong, (it certainly looks that way right now, though), but let's say you where to make a game and you needed an old victorian mansion. Wouldn't you think of an old house in sort of gothic style with a long winded staircase, possibly starting in the middle and a rug in the hallway + maybe a varm and cosy fireplace? I know I would...

Please do not take this an excuse for any copyright stealing or infringement, mere a question on where to draw the line between inspiration and stealing...



Edited by Karsten (06/12/08 06:19 AM)
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