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#842675 - 10/16/12 12:13 AM Re: How to Refresh or Reset Your Windows 8 PC [Re: Donald]
Draclvr Offline
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And a good reason to grab a Windows 7 OS. When they stop supporting the desktop, PC gaming is over unless you have another OS. This version of Windows 8 will play your games just fine. But who knows what will be in Windows 9 or Windows 10. I'm not holding my breath for desktop support.
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#842718 - 10/16/12 09:05 AM Re: How to Refresh or Reset Your Windows 8 PC [Re: Donald]
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So is what ADRz posted wrong? He said
Originally Posted By: ADRz
First, it is important to understand that "Metro/Modern/Whatever" is not an just an interface. Programs written to it are written to the WinRT API, not the Win32 API. In essence, it is the front end of the portable OS that is in the heart and the core of Win8.

and further down the page
Originally Posted By: ADRz
It is very simple. Microsoft cannot allow you to turn off "Metro/WinRT". In the first place, it is really the core of Win8 and it runs what you used to associate as Windows only as an application (the desktop).

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#842720 - 10/16/12 09:59 AM Re: How to Refresh or Reset Your Windows 8 PC [Re: Donald]
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I'm reading that post as what he is talking about is Windows RT, not Windows 8 - but I'm not sure. If what he says is true on Windows 8, why am I able to install and play games? Why can I stay on the desktop side for days and never even look at Metro/Modern or whatever they call it now? Windows 8 is x86 based architecture and legacy programs work just fine on it.

Now, Windows RT? Yes, all that is true from what I understand. It's strictly going to be "Metro" and there is no desktop side.

Windows RT and Windows 8 are two different animals.

From a tech writer named Jeff Bertolucci...

Quote:
When Microsoft launches Windows 8 on October 26, it also will unveil Windows RT, a new version of Microsoft's operating system designed specifically for ARM-based devices. Windows 8 and Windows RT have much in common, particularly the Modern UI Style (formerly Metro) design, with Live Tiles that dynamically display personalized information such as the current weather or the number of messages in your inbox. However, they have dramatic differences as well, most notably Windows RT's inability to run legacy (Intel X86-based) Windows apps.


You cannot buy Windows RT and install it on a computer as it will not run natively on Intel or AMD powered computers. Windows 8 will also not run on an ARM powered device.

Yes, the desktop is still supported in Windows 8. But what about Windows 9 or Windows 10? How long will it take before desktop support is dropped?
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#842749 - 10/16/12 12:24 PM Re: How to Refresh or Reset Your Windows 8 PC [Re: Draclvr]
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I think my XP computer is dying. I am saving as fast as I can to get a new one. It will take me another 4-5 months to get enough money together. Should I purchase Win 7 separately before hand to make sure I get it? I will buy my next computer from ecollege.

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#842750 - 10/16/12 12:34 PM Re: How to Refresh or Reset Your Windows 8 PC [Re: Donald]
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Why don't you send ecollegePC an email and ask them how long they will continue to sell Windows 7? I know they had XP for a long time after Windows 7 was released.
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#842758 - 10/16/12 01:06 PM Re: How to Refresh or Reset Your Windows 8 PC [Re: Draclvr]
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Sent them a brief question and hope to hear soon.

Edit: Sent me an email saying they would offer it till it was discontinued, probably at least a year. I guess I will wait unless you guys think I should get it early to be on the safe side. It's hard to imagine they won't keep it going for a while yet.


Edited by SharonB (10/16/12 07:41 PM)

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#842846 - 10/16/12 08:27 PM Re: How to Refresh or Reset Your Windows 8 PC [Re: Draclvr]
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Originally Posted By: Draclvr
I'm reading that post as what he is talking about is Windows RT, not Windows 8 - but I'm not sure. If what he says is true on Windows 8, why am I able to install and play games?

I think he may just be wrong -- at least he's explaining things wrong.

Sharon, I think you have time to save up for the computer. I don't think it's necessary for you to go out and buy Windows 7 separately unless you want a spare in addition to the one that comes with the eCollege computer.

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#842886 - 10/17/12 01:51 AM Re: How to Refresh or Reset Your Windows 8 PC [Re: Donald]
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Why can I stay on the desktop side for days and never even look at Metro/Modern or whatever they call it now? Windows 8 is x86 based architecture and legacy programs work just fine on it.


Because Windows 8 supports both the Win32 API as well as the WinRT API, but it may not always be that way.

It looks suspiciously like the path Microsoft took with DOS under Windows Millennium. Maybe the good folks that authored DOSBox will develop a WinXP/7 Box.

BTW - Staying on the desktop side was one of the larger reasons for dumping it. I have no use for Metro. The same is true for Office 2013, all they did was square out the corners and remove Aero transparency to make it look like Windows 8 - I don't count that as progress.

Edit -

There's a neat little trick to get Virtual PC 2007 running under Windows 8 (VMware doesn't do Win 3.x well enough for me). Google it, you'll find it. There's nothing unethical about it, but tricking the OS to let it run is unbelievably simple. It's almost like a 1st year programmer put the Do-Not-Run code in place.


Edited by InlandAZ (10/17/12 01:56 AM)

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#842887 - 10/17/12 01:56 AM Re: How to Refresh or Reset Your Windows 8 PC [Re: Jenny100]
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Thanks Jenny. I'll wait then. happydance

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#843262 - 10/18/12 07:10 PM Re: How to Refresh or Reset Your Windows 8 PC [Re: InlandAZ]
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Originally Posted By: InlandAZ
There's a neat little trick to get Virtual PC 2007 running under Windows 8 (VMware doesn't do Win 3.x well enough for me). Google it, you'll find it. There's nothing unethical about it, but tricking the OS to let it run is unbelievably simple. It's almost like a 1st year programmer put the Do-Not-Run code in place.


Good tip Inland! Thanks!

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