How to Refresh or Reset Your Windows 8 PC
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Re: How to Refresh or Reset Your Windows 8 PC
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One of the best features of Windows 8 for sure. Pre-ordered my Windows 8 Pro from Newegg with a $10 promo code for $59.99.
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Re: How to Refresh or Reset Your Windows 8 PC
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Oh, I'm definitely hanging on to my Windows 7 too!
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Re: How to Refresh or Reset Your Windows 8 PC
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I've heard all the doom and gloom about the desktop. I do agree that at some point it will no longer be profitable for Microsoft to support us and 6 years doesn't seem too far a stretch for them to totally ditch us. I will go with Windows 8 on a separate disk and embrace it as much as possible. But, something tells me Windows 7 will remain my main "go-to" OS for a very long time. I even picked up a spare Windows 7 at Newegg for $79 some time ago and stashed it away! Heck, I still have 2 legitimate 98SE disks I'm not parting with.
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Re: How to Refresh or Reset Your Windows 8 PC
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Yes, you can, but they may be harder to find. Microsoft will be supporting Windows 7 until 2020. I would grab a copy if you don't already have one. I will be installing Windows 8 on a separate hard drive, but keeping my Windows 7 and even my old XP computer. Remember that your XP will no longer be supported after 2014.
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Re: How to Refresh or Reset Your Windows 8 PC
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I was reading what someone named "ADRz" wrote ***here on the technet forums***To be certain WinRT e/devolved from Win32, but programs written to Win32 are not compatible with programs to WinRT. Thus, if you develop a "Metro/WinRT program", it will run on Win8 (but not in the desktop mode of Win8), it would run in Windows RT (what is running in the ARM-based tablets), but it will not run in Win7 or any other previous version of Windows. In its core, Win8 is incompatible with previous Windows versions (thus, the desktop mode). What he says makes it sound like the WinRT under Win8 is a completely different operating system than previous versions of Windows --> Programs made for Windows 8 won't run on earlier versions of Windows. So does this mean that games made for Windows 7 and earlier are incompatible with Windows 8? Or would Windows 8 use some form of emulation for games and other programs made for older versions of Windows?
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Re: How to Refresh or Reset Your Windows 8 PC
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From what I understand, Windows RT is a completely different animal from Windows 8. It is not meant for gaming and the things we normally do on a desktop. It will not even run on a desktop - it will strictly run on ARM tablets.
As far as Windows 8 itself, it appears to run games extremely well. I'm installing and playing games from 2002 right now without a hitch on my Windows 8. I've also installed Big Fish games and newer games and all have played flawlessly. I'm anticipating Windows 8 to have the same ability to play games, including older ones, as Windows 7.
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Re: How to Refresh or Reset Your Windows 8 PC
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So does this mean that games made for Windows 7 and earlier are incompatible with Windows 8? They're incompatible with WinRT (which is why the Desktop component of Windows 8 is needed). I haven't seen the API yet, but I imagine it's quite different.
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Re: How to Refresh or Reset Your Windows 8 PC
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So does that mean Windows 8 would be useless for playing our games? That's what it sounds like. Once the Desktop component is eliminated, yes - so hang on to those discs.
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Re: How to Refresh or Reset Your Windows 8 PC
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And a good reason to grab a Windows 7 OS. When they stop supporting the desktop, PC gaming is over unless you have another OS. This version of Windows 8 will play your games just fine. But who knows what will be in Windows 9 or Windows 10. I'm not holding my breath for desktop support.
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Re: How to Refresh or Reset Your Windows 8 PC
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So is what ADRz posted wrong? He said First, it is important to understand that "Metro/Modern/Whatever" is not an just an interface. Programs written to it are written to the WinRT API, not the Win32 API. In essence, it is the front end of the portable OS that is in the heart and the core of Win8. and further down the page It is very simple. Microsoft cannot allow you to turn off "Metro/WinRT". In the first place, it is really the core of Win8 and it runs what you used to associate as Windows only as an application (the desktop).
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Re: How to Refresh or Reset Your Windows 8 PC
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I'm reading that post as what he is talking about is Windows RT, not Windows 8 - but I'm not sure. If what he says is true on Windows 8, why am I able to install and play games? Why can I stay on the desktop side for days and never even look at Metro/Modern or whatever they call it now? Windows 8 is x86 based architecture and legacy programs work just fine on it. Now, Windows RT? Yes, all that is true from what I understand. It's strictly going to be "Metro" and there is no desktop side. Windows RT and Windows 8 are two different animals. From a tech writer named Jeff Bertolucci... When Microsoft launches Windows 8 on October 26, it also will unveil Windows RT, a new version of Microsoft's operating system designed specifically for ARM-based devices. Windows 8 and Windows RT have much in common, particularly the Modern UI Style (formerly Metro) design, with Live Tiles that dynamically display personalized information such as the current weather or the number of messages in your inbox. However, they have dramatic differences as well, most notably Windows RT's inability to run legacy (Intel X86-based) Windows apps. You cannot buy Windows RT and install it on a computer as it will not run natively on Intel or AMD powered computers. Windows 8 will also not run on an ARM powered device. Yes, the desktop is still supported in Windows 8. But what about Windows 9 or Windows 10? How long will it take before desktop support is dropped?
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Re: How to Refresh or Reset Your Windows 8 PC
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Why don't you send ecollegePC an email and ask them how long they will continue to sell Windows 7? I know they had XP for a long time after Windows 7 was released.
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Re: How to Refresh or Reset Your Windows 8 PC
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Sent them a brief question and hope to hear soon.
Edit: Sent me an email saying they would offer it till it was discontinued, probably at least a year. I guess I will wait unless you guys think I should get it early to be on the safe side. It's hard to imagine they won't keep it going for a while yet.
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Re: How to Refresh or Reset Your Windows 8 PC
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I'm reading that post as what he is talking about is Windows RT, not Windows 8 - but I'm not sure. If what he says is true on Windows 8, why am I able to install and play games? I think he may just be wrong -- at least he's explaining things wrong. Sharon, I think you have time to save up for the computer. I don't think it's necessary for you to go out and buy Windows 7 separately unless you want a spare in addition to the one that comes with the eCollege computer.
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Re: How to Refresh or Reset Your Windows 8 PC
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Why can I stay on the desktop side for days and never even look at Metro/Modern or whatever they call it now? Windows 8 is x86 based architecture and legacy programs work just fine on it. Because Windows 8 supports both the Win32 API as well as the WinRT API, but it may not always be that way. It looks suspiciously like the path Microsoft took with DOS under Windows Millennium. Maybe the good folks that authored DOSBox will develop a WinXP/7 Box. BTW - Staying on the desktop side was one of the larger reasons for dumping it. I have no use for Metro. The same is true for Office 2013, all they did was square out the corners and remove Aero transparency to make it look like Windows 8 - I don't count that as progress. Edit - There's a neat little trick to get Virtual PC 2007 running under Windows 8 (VMware doesn't do Win 3.x well enough for me). Google it, you'll find it. There's nothing unethical about it, but tricking the OS to let it run is unbelievably simple. It's almost like a 1st year programmer put the Do-Not-Run code in place.
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Re: How to Refresh or Reset Your Windows 8 PC
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There's a neat little trick to get Virtual PC 2007 running under Windows 8 (VMware doesn't do Win 3.x well enough for me). Google it, you'll find it. There's nothing unethical about it, but tricking the OS to let it run is unbelievably simple. It's almost like a 1st year programmer put the Do-Not-Run code in place. Good tip Inland! Thanks!
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