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#878485 - 04/05/13 11:02 AM Ypur Expert Opinion ... Power Supply Upgrade
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Seeking your opinions.

I am thinking of doing a few improvements to my usual Desktop computer, the one I use all the time. My question is about the Power Supply. I have a Dell XPS 410 running Win XP Pro with a Dell Motherboard OCT017 (Belarc Advisor) I want to only upgrade to 500 or so watts to get a little better Graphics Card than the NVidea 8600GT that is in there now. There are so many Manufacterers that say that their PCU is for this computer but I have seen many people get new PCU's and not have the proper plugs coming off of it. You wont find this out until removing the old one and discovering that you lack a plug or a plug that is available has a different pin configuration. Are their any Manufacturers sites that you know of that are trusted to provide a PCU that will not only be appropriate for my Motherboard to handle but also fit exactly in the existing Dell case and have exact plugs to make the conversion a no brainer...I like no brainer. A Bonus would be extra plugs in the harness to add an additional fan for cooling.
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#878494 - 04/05/13 11:44 AM Re: Ypur Expert Opinion ... Power Supply Upgrade [Re: GreyFuss]
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GreyFuss, I don't know of any trusted sites which can give you what you want, but I do have a suggestion.

Decide which video card you want, go to that site and search the site for additional information about the card. Specifically power requirements. Then decide what size power supply you are going to order, larger is not a bad thing since it gives you room to add more and take care of everything existing, and which brand. Then go to that site and look for information about that power supply, the type of connections is has, output, compatibility with other type of hardware, etc. It would also be good if you knew the type of motherboard you currently have so you'd know the type of connectors it requires. And the type of HD, CD drives, etc.

Once you gather information you'll then be in a better position to make final choices that fit the system you have.
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#878526 - 04/05/13 01:35 PM Re: Ypur Expert Opinion ... Power Supply Upgrade [Re: GreyFuss]
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Thanks for the suggestions Homer6, I do appreciate them. I actually am looking into doing the opposite. The Power Supply is what I need first and one that will most assuredly fit to my Dell. The Graphics Card is not that important and wont be much of an upgrade. Its just that the existing PCU that came with the Dell is only 375watts which doesn't allow me enough room to play. Seems like all the manufacturers state that their PSU's are a perfect fit but upon looking further I find stories that either they don't fit perfectly in the case or they don't always have the proper plugs that fit the original equipment already in the computer. I also want it to be compatible with the Motherboard. I have never upgraded a PCU before and I am looking for the no brainer option.
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#878533 - 04/05/13 02:07 PM Re: Ypur Expert Opinion ... Power Supply Upgrade [Re: GreyFuss]
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Greyfuss, I had a lot of trouble getting a new PSU for a Dell XPS computer because they were proprietary to the Dell motherboard. That is what you are finding with it says they do not have the proper "plugs" for the motherboard. Let me do some checking for you.
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#878546 - 04/05/13 03:18 PM Re: Ypur Expert Opinion ... Power Supply Upgrade [Re: GreyFuss]
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#878557 - 04/05/13 04:06 PM Re: Ypur Expert Opinion ... Power Supply Upgrade [Re: GreyFuss]
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True to form, Dell does not provide a lot of information, but I was able to ferret out what I think you need. Unlike the other Dell XPS I had problems with, this one does not seem to use a proprietary PSU and motherboard. All the replacement PSUs indicate that the form factor/size of the PSU is ATX, rather than the mini or micro size. But you should do a couple of things - first open up the case and get the measurements of your PSU to make sure. I couldn't find out if the main power connection on your motherboard is a 20 or a 24 pin, but that's not important as all new power supplies come with a connector that will fit either one. If it's a 20 pin, you just leave off the last 4 pins on the PSU. They're called 20 + 4 pins. Then take note of all the connections you will be making. Even better, take a digital photo of it all! For instance you should know whether some of your components are SATA connections.

Then I would go to Newegg to look around at your options with your budget. You can sort by wattage and price etc. Make sure the size is correct, but they all come with pretty standard connectors and are flexible for different configurations. You can buy anywhere, but that's a good way to see what's available and read user reviews.

While not everything will be the same, this is probably the best video I found for replacing a PSU. Replacing a PSU



Edited by Draclvr (04/05/13 04:33 PM)
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#878576 - 04/05/13 05:15 PM Re: Ypur Expert Opinion ... Power Supply Upgrade [Re: GreyFuss]
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Thanks Drac

Nuts...I wanted a no-brainer cry I was hoping you wouldn't say that lol I was hoping that there was a manufacturer to go to that said here, buy this one, as it fits exactly and has the plugs I need for this machine.

I will do as you have suggested. The measurements would be easy but wouldn't the bolt pattern also be important as the size may be the same but still would not line up. Guess I would have find one at Newegg and then contact the manufacturer for specifics. Oh....why couldn't it be easier frown Too bad there isn't a site that scans your computer like at Crucial Memory and be able to tell me exactly what I need.

And thank you for the link to the video. He makes it look so easy as I am sure it is. I think I will want to leave all the plugs connected, remove the existing PSU and set it as near as the connected wires will allow. Install the new PSU and then one by one remove and replace each plug so I don't forget which goes where.

One other question...Is there limits of how big a Power Supply that the Motherboard can handle? Is there a chance to over power and burn it out?

Curses...when it comes to computers I try not to use my brain tooo much as it just gets in the way. smirk
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#878585 - 04/05/13 05:27 PM Re: Ypur Expert Opinion ... Power Supply Upgrade [Re: GreyFuss]
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The motherboard won't draw any more power than it needs to. It's much worse if the power supply doesn't have enough power.

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#878587 - 04/05/13 05:34 PM Re: Ypur Expert Opinion ... Power Supply Upgrade [Re: GreyFuss]
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Yes, what Jenny100 said.

You don't need to worry about the screw pattern either as they are all the same. Dell has been known to be cagey with proprietary stuff, but even in the case of the one I had problems with, the replacement PSU I tried lined up just fine.

Believe me, I was equally as nervous as you are the first time I replaced a PSU! Basically, as long as the physical size fits, the rest is just plugging stuff in.
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#878589 - 04/05/13 05:37 PM Re: Ypur Expert Opinion ... Power Supply Upgrade [Re: Draclvr]
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#878669 - 04/06/13 12:52 AM Re: Ypur Expert Opinion ... Power Supply Upgrade [Re: GreyFuss]
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Not to alarm you GreyFuss, but be careful what you touch. Unplug the power cord, use plastic when measuring, and if you have to physically touch anything, first touch the frame of the case to dissipate any static electricity.
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#878670 - 04/06/13 01:24 AM Re: Ypur Expert Opinion ... Power Supply Upgrade [Re: GreyFuss]
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Thanks Homer6

I have changed many parts in computers, just not a PSU and I am very conscience of static probably to a fault in fact. And it is a coincidence that you mention about the measuring device as I was just thinking a few minutes ago that it may not be wise to use a retractable metal tape and had to look for my cloth one. It may also be better for me to just use a thin wooden dowel, mark it then measure the mark outside the case. Thanks for your help.
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#878671 - 04/06/13 01:25 AM Re: Ypur Expert Opinion ... Power Supply Upgrade [Re: GreyFuss]
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Good point, you guys. I should also have mentioned it.
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#878766 - 04/06/13 01:06 PM Re: Ypur Expert Opinion ... Power Supply Upgrade [Re: GreyFuss]
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Dell can be hit and miss when it comes to components. I had a similar issue when I replaced a PSU on an XPS system. Although the case was a standard ATX form factor, several of the PSU's I was looking at were just a bit larger than the case would accommodate.

I took me awhile to find one that had the same dimensions as the original, but I did eventually find one.

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#878775 - 04/06/13 01:23 PM Re: Ypur Expert Opinion ... Power Supply Upgrade [Re: GreyFuss]
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I keep finding more and more reasons to build my own computers...

I must say I've had much better luck with replacing components in HP computers. I was even able to find a perfect replacement for a PSU in an old HP Windows ME computer.
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#878787 - 04/06/13 01:58 PM Re: Ypur Expert Opinion ... Power Supply Upgrade [Re: GreyFuss]
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Thank you InlandAZ

This will make me more diligent in finding the right size. At the ATX Power site they have a conversion function to find a compatible PSU. They show 3 for my rig, 2 are exactly the same dimensions as each other and the other is just a fraction different. I wonder if any of these would fit. I do find it curious that the 750watt is cheaper than the 600watt and both not that much more than the 450watt. I wonder how noisy they are. ATX Power Supply Dell XPS 410

I haven't opened my case to measure the existing size yet. I want to finish my Mothers Taxes before I take a chance on doing something wrong and not be able to use the computer. April 15th is just around the corner.

Draclvr

I have been convinced by all the topics I read here at Glitches that my next rig will probably be built from CyberPower or, I can't remember the name of the other Online place suggested here. These places look to use normal parts that can be easily upgraded. But I don't foresee me getting into a new unit for quite some time as all my XP's are doing me fine for now. Maybe around Windows 10 lol I remember I used Win 98 for quite a while even though NT, Me & Vista were released. Went from 98 right to XP.
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#878790 - 04/06/13 02:08 PM Re: Ypur Expert Opinion ... Power Supply Upgrade [Re: GreyFuss]
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Originally Posted By: GreyFuss
I have been convinced by all the topics I read here at Glitches that my next rig will probably be built from CyberPower or, I can't remember the name of the other Online place suggested here.

Maybe you're thinking of eCollegepc.com

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#878793 - 04/06/13 02:22 PM Re: Ypur Expert Opinion ... Power Supply Upgrade [Re: Jenny100]
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Yep...thats the one Jenny...thank you.

I hope both of these sites are still around when I get around to purchasing a new PC.
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#878795 - 04/06/13 02:23 PM Re: Ypur Expert Opinion ... Power Supply Upgrade [Re: GreyFuss]
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And don't forget, Greyfuss, that you should seriously consider taking all XP computers off line after Microsoft ceases support for them in just a year. XP is already considered a security risk compared to the newer operating systems. Another consideration is that you will probably want to go to Windows 7 for your next computer. Although it will be supported until at least 2020, I would look for it to only be sold alongside Windows 8 computers (mostly in business class computers) for another 2 years. If you don't plan on getting a new computer in the next couple of years, I'd grab a copy of Windows 7 sometime when a retailer like Newegg has it on sale for $80. Otherwise, you will be getting Windows 8 and knowing you a little bit, I suspect Windows 8 would cause you to have a stroke! I love it, but something tells me you would not get along well with Windows 8!
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#878798 - 04/06/13 02:29 PM Re: Ypur Expert Opinion ... Power Supply Upgrade [Re: GreyFuss]
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Thanks for the advive Draclvr. I guess I am not aware of how an Operating system can be a security risk. Doesn't Firewalls, virus protection, malware and adware protection prevent the computer from being a risk?
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#878799 - 04/06/13 02:35 PM Re: Ypur Expert Opinion ... Power Supply Upgrade [Re: GreyFuss]
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If you're looking for a good quality PSU, shop Antec or Corsair, both have excellent reputations. Do you have a local Fry's Electronics close by?

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#878802 - 04/06/13 02:47 PM Re: Ypur Expert Opinion ... Power Supply Upgrade [Re: GreyFuss]
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Frys is not in the upper midwest as far as I know of. I will check Antec and Corsair out Inland. Must have missed any conversations about them although the names do sound familiar to me.


Oops

See why I come here for advice. I thought Antec and Corsair were computer makers... Duh...looking at Antecs web site you were referring me there for the Power supplies. Thanks and just ignore the GreyFuss lurking in the dark corner...you are safe.


Edited by GreyFuss (04/06/13 02:52 PM)
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#878805 - 04/06/13 03:10 PM Re: Ypur Expert Opinion ... Power Supply Upgrade [Re: GreyFuss]
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I also prefer Antec, Corsair or OCZ - good reputations and relatively decent customer service.

No, operating systems are not secure. That's why you get security updates on patch Tuesday every month. They are constantly finding holes and weaknesses and fixing them for us. Firewalls, anti-virus software etc. only protect us from things out there that might infect our computers. They do not protect us from insecurity and bugs in the operating system code itself.

This is but one of many, many blogs and articles on the risks of using XP past it's "end of support" next April.

XP Is Past Its Security Expiration Date

I will always have my trusty XP computer for a backup, but I've already taken it off line.



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#878828 - 04/06/13 04:06 PM Re: Ypur Expert Opinion ... Power Supply Upgrade [Re: GreyFuss]
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Thanks for the link Draclvr but quite frankly I didn't much understand what he was talking about with all the acronyms and such. I guess I don't understand what security issue there is. What could possibly happen? Sorry for being a dolt but didn't they all say the same things for Win98SE when NT came out then when each of the next new OS's were released? What would happen if I still used XP past the support date next April. If the issue is as serious as you say then I may as well not do any fun things like upgrade this XP and wait for hopefully a better OS (Win 9 or Win Whine) is released and invest that money in a great Ecollege or Cyberpower system then.


Edited by GreyFuss (04/06/13 04:08 PM)
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#878853 - 04/06/13 04:57 PM Re: Ypur Expert Opinion ... Power Supply Upgrade [Re: Draclvr]
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I didn't know this about taking XP offline. I have XP computers still hanging around here: one older desktop, a laptop, and a netbook. My main computers are Windows 7.

The desktop is probably too obsolete for upgrading, but I wonder if I should put another OS on the laptop and netbook. I did do a duel boot once on the netbook with Linux. But trying to upgrade these might not be worth the effort.

I guess I should be glad that my computers survive so long, but it's not easy to let them go! sad
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#878857 - 04/06/13 05:10 PM Re: Ypur Expert Opinion ... Power Supply Upgrade [Re: Draclvr]
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Originally Posted By: Draclvr
I keep finding more and more reasons to build my own computers...

I must say I've had much better luck with replacing components in HP computers. I was even able to find a perfect replacement for a PSU in an old HP Windows ME computer.


I've had the same experience with HP vs. Dell, but it could have just been me. I replaced a power supply in an HP a few years back with no problem. Did my research. All went well.

But then I tried the same thing with a Dell, being just as careful to find the specs recommended. Messed up anyway. The back outlet didn't fit properly. After all the uninstalling and installing, that poor computer never did function the way it should. But maybe the issue was with another component I replaced along the way. I upgraded memory and graphics card too, replaced a clock battery. Tweaked some other things. Maybe I just Frankensteined the thing too much!

I suppose there's a lesson here somewhere ... something about letting the past just die? headscratch


Edited by lanlynk (04/06/13 05:12 PM)
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#878864 - 04/06/13 05:41 PM Re: Ypur Expert Opinion ... Power Supply Upgrade [Re: GreyFuss]
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What could possibly happen?

You could have your identity stolen by being infected with spyware while browsing the Internet. This is more serious than just catching a nuisance virus because the repercussions can follow you around for the rest of your life.

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What would happen if I still used XP past the support date next April.

Depends on your browsing habits and whether you disabled scripting in your browser. Disabling javascript is not enough -- you'd need something like NoScript to block other types of scripting. Your antivirus may catch some things, but it won't catch infections that change their signature with each infection (like polymorphic viruses). Cutting off scripting disables the main avenue of infection by malware that attacks through the web browser.

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If the issue is as serious as you say then I may as well not do any fun things like upgrade this XP.

You can still play games offline. Or you could add a second hard drive to your computer and set up a dual boot of XP with Windows 7.

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and wait for hopefully a better OS (Win 9 or Win Whine) is released and invest that money in a great Ecollege or Cyberpower system then.

Well, judging by Win8, you're probably better with Win7 than hoping Win9 will be better.

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#878871 - 04/06/13 06:01 PM Re: Ypur Expert Opinion ... Power Supply Upgrade [Re: GreyFuss]
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Get a computer from Cyberpower and put an end to all this proprietory stuff.

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#878872 - 04/06/13 06:12 PM Re: Ypur Expert Opinion ... Power Supply Upgrade [Re: GreyFuss]
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I can't say it any better than Jenny did. I didn't understand all the acronyms either, but the bottom line is that XP is long past being a secure operating system. It's going to be 13 years old and they are no longer going to be patching security holes and bugs in the operating system leaving you wide open to any number of vulnerabilities. It's not a chance I care to take with my information. Like I said, I've already taken my XP computer off line just to be safe. Just take yours off line and use it for gaming! That's what I do. Lanlynk, I also have a hard time letting my old XP go, but I have no problem moving forward with new technology. I work on computers for a lot of people, so I need to keep up with all the new stuff. I've already been able to help 3 people with their new Windows 8 laptops... they love it.

GreyFuss, why don't you take a look at what Windows 8 is all about and see what you think... And rest assured, Microsoft is not going back to the old way of doing things with any future operating systems. I use it on my 4 year old computer with a mouse and keyboard.

Meet Windows 8

EDIT: Just saw your post, Geo. Couldn't agree more! That's why I build my own.
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#878873 - 04/06/13 06:21 PM Re: Ypur Expert Opinion ... Power Supply Upgrade [Re: GreyFuss]
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It's going to be 13 years old and they are no longer going to be patching security holes and bugs in the operating system

It's not just that -- it's that they can't patch it properly because the underpinnings for doing so aren't there.

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#878874 - 04/06/13 06:36 PM Re: Ypur Expert Opinion ... Power Supply Upgrade [Re: GreyFuss]
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Just read this posted today Windows 8 Has Failed so that looks to be out.

Jenny I like the idea of building a big rig with a dual boot and Win 7 with Win XP but if XP is on the same computer wouldn't it make the whole computer a security risk if XP is on board?

I have been drooling over the cases I see at ecollegepc and Cyberpower. Huge cases with airport size fans. I could do without all the neon lights but a supersized PSU is getting me turned on. Once again I had better go lay down and cool off to get rid of this "I want a new computer" virus I just caught.

Question about the Win 7, what is the real difference between 32 bit and 64 bit. Is it one of those things that the human eye really can't see. Like super duper expensive speakers vs very good speakers? And when will the support stop for that? Like XP will Win 7 Pro support last longer than Home?

I love this as I am learning so much.
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#878876 - 04/06/13 06:37 PM Re: Ypur Expert Opinion ... Power Supply Upgrade [Re: GreyFuss]
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And that's the bottom line for sure. They aren't going to be keeping it patched because they can't. Good point.

Greyfuss, you can find any number of articles out there that say Windows 8 has failed. You can also find any number of articles that say it's the wave of the future or that the verdict isn't in yet. I'm in the camp with the verdict isn't in yet, because I really like it.

Did you watch the video I linked you to?

Jenny can explain the reason about 32 bit and 64 bit, but essentially 32 bit can only "see" and use a bit less that 4 GB of RAM. 64 bit can see and use 8, 16, 32 and on up GB of RAM.

I had my XP and my Windows 7 on the same motherboard and it didn't work out well at all. If you get a new computer, you will be getting a snazzy updated motherboard too. They just don't have the drivers needed to run XP well. I finally built a low end system just to house my old XP drive.

Oh, and Microsoft will support Windows 7 until 2020, so you will be good to go for a long time.

Just to whet your appetite, why don't you go to eCollegePC and just play around with putting something together just to see what's out there - it's sort of fun!
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#878877 - 04/06/13 06:49 PM Re: Ypur Expert Opinion ... Power Supply Upgrade [Re: GreyFuss]
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Sorry Drac, what video was that? The one about installing a PSU?


Edited by GreyFuss (04/06/13 06:53 PM)
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#878879 - 04/06/13 07:04 PM Re: Ypur Expert Opinion ... Power Supply Upgrade [Re: GreyFuss]
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No, the one on page 2 of the thread... Meet Windows 8.
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#878880 - 04/06/13 07:20 PM Re: Ypur Expert Opinion ... Power Supply Upgrade [Re: GreyFuss]
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Just read this posted today Windows 8 Has Failed so that looks to be out.

That guy seems to think people would rather keep spending money on an Office subscription (or have Office quit working) than possibly spend money as necessary on computer upgrades. All this "in the cloud" stuff you read about is marketing. They want to push people into spending and spending and spending on the same software every year instead of just buying it and using it as long as it works.

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Jenny I like the idea of building a big rig with a dual boot and Win 7 with Win XP but if XP is on the same computer wouldn't it make the whole computer a security risk if XP is on board?

Just disable the network card in XP and it won't pick up any viruses from the Internet while XP is running. When you want to browse the Internet, you boot into Win7.

I was actually thinking more of a 2nd hard drive for your current computer, but I don't know how old it is, how much memory it has, or if it has space for a 2nd hard drive.

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#878890 - 04/06/13 08:11 PM Re: Ypur Expert Opinion ... Power Supply Upgrade [Re: GreyFuss]
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Drac

I don't see a video in that link.

Thanks Jenny for your input. It may be because I have the the new computer virus but instead of paying for a new PSU, Graphics Card, Windows 7 OS and new Harddrive it may be better to get a new rig with all that on it but its nice to hear you options.

I still don't know, is Win 7 64 bit better or worth it over 32 bit?

Is Win 7 Ultimate any different than Pro?

Since Win 7 has been out for a while when does support expire for it? Will support last longer for Pro like XP does Ultimate?


Oh my...there are just soo many choices to pick from at ecollege and cyberpower and compared to what I use to spend on computers in the past very reasonable.

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#878893 - 04/06/13 08:24 PM Re: Ypur Expert Opinion ... Power Supply Upgrade [Re: GreyFuss]
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I still don't know, is Win 7 64 bit better or worth it over 32 bit?

Yes. Most new computers come with at least 8GB of system RAM, and a 32-bit operating system wouldn't even be able to use half of that. There's no point in using 32-bit unless you have an old system where the motherboard won't take more than 4GB anyway. The only advantage of 32-bit is that 64-bit operating systems won't use 16-bit code. But games that are so old they use 16-bit code are best played in an emulator anyway.

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Is Win 7 Ultimate any different than Pro?

Not for your purposes. As you can see here
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows7/products/compare#T1=tab01
you don't get Bitlocker and you can't switch between 35 different languages with Pro.

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Since Win 7 has been out for a while when does support expire for it?

2020 -- of course that may change in the future and it may be supported later than that.

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Will support last longer for Pro like XP does Ultimate?

Pro is the Professional version, which will be supported longer than the Home version. Ultimate is the same as Enterprise (the difference is that Enterprise uses a volume license) and will be supported the same as Pro.

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Oh my...there are just soo many choices to pick from at ecollege and cyberpower and compared to what I use to spend on computers in the past very reasonable.

Have fun.

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#878897 - 04/06/13 08:45 PM Re: Ypur Expert Opinion ... Power Supply Upgrade [Re: GreyFuss]
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All valuble lessons Jenny, thank you. If I am not mistaken Win XP support was extnded when it was first supposed to expire by Microsoft. Hopefully they will do that with Win 7 also. The Tomato Lady knows me well and if she says Win 8 would drive me crazy then I certainly wouldn't want to make myself crazy. Any push might send me over the kook-kew's nest
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#878905 - 04/06/13 09:33 PM Re: Ypur Expert Opinion ... Power Supply Upgrade [Re: GreyFuss]
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Hope you find the computer you're looking for, GreyFuss.

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#878908 - 04/06/13 09:45 PM Re: Ypur Expert Opinion ... Power Supply Upgrade [Re: GreyFuss]
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Greyfuss, there is a button on that page that says, "Watch the Video." You really should at least take a look at it so you know what Windows 8 looks like.

64-bit Windows 7 Home Premium will be exactly what you need and it will be supported until at least 2020.

This has been a fun discussion! Please feel free to come back here for help with the jungle of components to choose from if you decide to have one built for you.
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#878914 - 04/06/13 10:20 PM Re: Ypur Expert Opinion ... Power Supply Upgrade [Re: Draclvr]
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Greyfuss, there is a button on that page that says, "Watch the Video."


Where, Drac? I didn't see one on the Meet Windows 8 page. Not that I want it, I'd just like to see the hype. grin

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#878916 - 04/06/13 10:26 PM Re: Ypur Expert Opinion ... Power Supply Upgrade [Re: Draclvr]
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Draclvr, I watched the video. Thanks. They make Win 8 look pretty cool. Everything seems to be moving toward touch. Maybe Win 8 is kind of a bridge OS, with both touch and keyboard/mouse?

When Win 8 was on sale at the first of the year, I thought about upgrading from Win 7. One of my sons said that unless I was using a touch screen, though, I might as well stick with Win 7 for now, even though Win 8 has some other features.

I love new technology, but I usually let the bravest users work through the bugs and glitches ... in games and devices. wink
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#878918 - 04/06/13 10:48 PM Re: Ypur Expert Opinion ... Power Supply Upgrade [Re: Draclvr]
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Greyfuss, there is a button on that page that says, "Watch the Video." You really should at least take a look at it so you know what Windows 8 looks like.

64-bit Windows 7 Home Premium will be exactly what you need and it will be supported until at least 2020.

This has been a fun discussion! Please feel free to come back here for help with the jungle of components to choose from if you decide to have one built for you.


There isn't a "Watch the Video" on the screen I see. Could it be because I am using FireFox? Or maybe I need new glasses, new brain, both of which I should really be upgrading too.

I have been playing around with the different configuration at those computer sites and I know for sure that I will need help with things like Motherboard and such and of course I would not purchase anything without posting the configuration for all of you to help me with.
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#878924 - 04/06/13 11:34 PM Re: Ypur Expert Opinion ... Power Supply Upgrade [Re: GreyFuss]
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There isn't a "Watch the Video" on the screen I see. Could it be because I am using FireFox?

Well I see the button with Firefox -- but only if I block scripting from aspnetcdn.com
And whether I block aspnetcdn.com or not, the button doesn't work in Firefox on a Mac. However I see the button and it works in Safari. And I have to wonder how much they paid those people to act like such microbrains.

Here's a different Windows 8 video that answers a vital question
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gL2i7MCb768

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#878931 - 04/06/13 11:50 PM Re: Ypur Expert Opinion ... Power Supply Upgrade [Re: GreyFuss]
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Thanks for the link Jenny

Egad.....no way...Win 8 is not for computers and not for me for sure. That looks like its made for touchscreen stuff like Lanlynk says. Draclvr, you were right, I would never like that. Now I wonder if there is a good video on what Win 7 is like.
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#878933 - 04/06/13 11:53 PM Re: Ypur Expert Opinion ... Power Supply Upgrade [Re: GreyFuss]
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I see the button in my Firefox, IE10 and Chrome. It is indeed some major hype with all these joyful people bouncing around drooling over Windows 8. But it's still an interesting watch if you have no idea what it's all about.

I've found the hoopla around the lack of a start button to be highly overrated. I've got my start screen customized to be exactly what I want just like the old start button. However, if I don't want to go there, I can right click in the lower left corner and there is everything I need in a nice little list.
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#878935 - 04/07/13 12:10 AM Re: Ypur Expert Opinion ... Power Supply Upgrade [Re: GreyFuss]
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I would like to watch it too Drac. Wonder why I can't see it. I am trying to find a good video for Win 7. Is there a Classic button on Win 7 or 8 like XP had? I never liked XP's so I chose the Classic look.
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#878937 - 04/07/13 12:28 AM Re: Ypur Expert Opinion ... Power Supply Upgrade [Re: GreyFuss]
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You might try going to the link in IE... maybe the Watch Video button will show up there. Or try this one at Youtube...

Lanlynk, this one also shows you how to use Windows 8 completely with mouse and keyboard. I'm telling people if you have Windows 7, there is no reason to upgrade to Windows 8 unless you want to.

Windows 8 in 3 Minutes

And here are a bunch of short videos about the new features in Windows 7. One compares it to XP.

Windows 7
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#878940 - 04/07/13 12:48 AM Re: Ypur Expert Opinion ... Power Supply Upgrade [Re: GreyFuss]
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This is really weird, I opened the link in IE 8 and I still don't see a video button. So far everything I have been looking at for Win 7 and 8 are a buzz kill for my "buy a new computer" excitement as neither floats my boat but 7 is closer...oh my god...keyboard controls....good grief...this is so disappointing...lol maybe I should just give up computing...is Bingo fun at the VFW?
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#878942 - 04/07/13 12:58 AM Re: Ypur Expert Opinion ... Power Supply Upgrade [Re: Draclvr]
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Eep! I felt like someone had tossed me in the dryer and put it on spin watching this one. grin
Win 8 is plug ugly. Of course, I feel that way about the glass pyramid in front of the Louvre, too. I guess I'm officially a trilobite. (Crabby anyway if not quite extinct.)

Originally Posted By: Jenny100

Here's a different Windows 8 video that answers a vital question
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gL2i7MCb768


Yah, and I see why comments are disabled on this video. That guy is obnoxious.

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#878943 - 04/07/13 01:31 AM Re: Ypur Expert Opinion ... Power Supply Upgrade [Re: GreyFuss]
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I really tried to watch that one, Gil, but he was just too annoying.

Greyfuss, Windows 7 is really a great operating system. It's fast and secure and stable... It's definitely the best OS they've ever developed. There are certainly new things to learn, but once you learn a few things, it's great. When I go back to XP now, it feels so clunky and old and slow.

Like it or not, it's just time to move on or you will get left behind. And you will croak of second hand smoke if you try Bingo at the VFW hall!

I don't think my desktop and my Start screen are ugly... well, maybe the desktop is REALLY green!

Start Screen

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#878944 - 04/07/13 02:14 AM Re: Ypur Expert Opinion ... Power Supply Upgrade [Re: GreyFuss]
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Well, the desktop is purty. I'll hold off on telling you what I think of your start screen. Though it does remind me of something a kid would do if he was turned loose with a lot of colored construction paper and a pair of blunt scissors. grin

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#878945 - 04/07/13 02:38 AM Re: Ypur Expert Opinion ... Power Supply Upgrade [Re: GreyFuss]
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Hey, I spent a lot of time getting it just right with my blunt scissors and my construction paper! I do have white glue all over my keyboard now though. grin
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#879009 - 04/07/13 10:22 AM Re: Ypur Expert Opinion ... Power Supply Upgrade [Re: GreyFuss]
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Well I have viewed about a dozen videos about Windows 8 and can't see why this is any good for a desktop user. The Metro Interface that is designed for mobile devices is terrible on the Desktop computer with all the dragging around the screen. Why Microsoft didn't put in an option to not use the Metro Interface for Desktop users sure is baffling to me. I don't do the mobile devices and I guess I can see that Win 8 must be useful for those who do (watching others) but why force it on to the Desktop. To me the drop down menus is the easiest to use and with just clicking the mouse on the desktop. There just is too much dragging, swooshing and possibly keyboard shortcuts. In short, Windows 8 looks to be more like an action/adventure game more than a pure adventure game and I dislike action/adventures. hardwall So no Win 8 for me.

Now onto watching a bunch of Win 7 videos
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#879028 - 04/07/13 10:51 AM Re: Ypur Expert Opinion ... Power Supply Upgrade [Re: GreyFuss]
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See! I TOLD you you would not like Windows 8 and that was why you need to consider either getting a new Windows 7 computer or picking up a copy of Windows 7 and hanging on to it for a future build.

Personally, I find Windows 8 easier to use with a keyboard and mouse and some of the new features make like SO much easier. The new task manager is what the task manager SHOULD be; you can grab a screenshot by simply pressing Windows key + Print Screen and it is saved as a .jpg file in a folder called Screenshots; I can send a photo to someone without even opening up my email program; I don't have to reboot after every update...

But then, I prefer action and RPG games to pure adventure games, so there you are!
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#879040 - 04/07/13 11:07 AM Re: Ypur Expert Opinion ... Power Supply Upgrade [Re: Draclvr]
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But then, I prefer action and RPG games to pure adventure games, so there you are!



Do you also use the mobile devices?
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#879048 - 04/07/13 11:21 AM Re: Ypur Expert Opinion ... Power Supply Upgrade [Re: GreyFuss]
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Just barely, Greyfuss. I dearly love my Kindle Fire, but only just last month got a cell phone that has a touch screen. It's a cheap $20 Tracfone, but it works for me!

I would probably have a hard time getting used to Windows 8 on a touch device because it works so well for me with keyboard and mouse.

I'm only a "semi-luddite!" And can you tell that Gil and I were up way too late last night teasing each other?!
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#879063 - 04/07/13 11:49 AM Re: Ypur Expert Opinion ... Power Supply Upgrade [Re: GreyFuss]
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Can I just install win 7 on my xp computer. Anything I have to change on the xp? Thanks
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#879064 - 04/07/13 11:49 AM Re: Ypur Expert Opinion ... Power Supply Upgrade [Re: GreyFuss]
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This is a very interesting and informative topic! Looks like I am going to have to get a new Pc sooner than I thought!!!! I am sure I will be back looking for help with the new bad win 7 system.... Don't thinking want win 8 either.
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#879065 - 04/07/13 11:51 AM Re: Ypur Expert Opinion ... Power Supply Upgrade [Re: GreyFuss]
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Egad.....no way...Win 8 is not for computers and not for me for sure. That looks like its made for touchscreen stuff like Lanlynk says.

Lots of people agree with you.

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Now I wonder if there is a good video on what Win 7 is like.

Using Windows 7 is much more like using XP than Windows 8 is. Some interfaces that were changed in Vista will also be changed in Windows 7 -- for example the way you access and use Desktop Properties. This is where the Start Search is particularly useful. You just type what you're looking for into it and it lists possibilities. You want Device Manager? Type Device Manager in the Start Search. It's usable pretty much off the bat.

It's too bad you waited so long to look at Windows 7 because now all the computers in the local stores have Windows 8 instead of 7.

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#879067 - 04/07/13 11:53 AM Re: Ypur Expert Opinion ... Power Supply Upgrade [Re: GreyFuss]
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The answer to that question, kjos, is "maybe." Run the Windows 7 Upgrade advisor to be sure your computer has enough power and there are drivers for all your components. If it's an older computer, it may not work well.

Windows 7 Upgrade Advisor

It's been a fun topic, Winfrey!
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#879070 - 04/07/13 11:57 AM Re: Ypur Expert Opinion ... Power Supply Upgrade [Re: Draclvr]
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Just barely, Greyfuss. I dearly love my Kindle Fire, but only just last month got a cell phone that has a touch screen. It's a cheap $20 Tracfone, but it works for me!

It's not the cost of a phone -- it's the monthly charges that keep me from getting one. And if I did get one, I'd want one with strong enough speakers that I don't have to hold it up to my head to hear.

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#879071 - 04/07/13 12:05 PM Re: Ypur Expert Opinion ... Power Supply Upgrade [Re: GreyFuss]
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Thanks Draclvr,will do.
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#879073 - 04/07/13 12:09 PM Re: Ypur Expert Opinion ... Power Supply Upgrade [Re: Jenny100]
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It's too bad you waited so long to look at Windows 7 because now all the computers in the local stores have Windows 8 instead of 7.


That is why I want my next computer to be from ecollegepc or Cyberpower where Win 7 is still available. My hope is that there is so much dislike for Win 8 that they would continue support for Win 7 past the expiration date of 2020 because I have already missed close to 4 years of Win 7. Has Windows 7 had any updated Service Packs?
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#879084 - 04/07/13 12:30 PM Re: Ypur Expert Opinion ... Power Supply Upgrade [Re: GreyFuss]
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There is an SP1 for Windows 7.

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#879085 - 04/07/13 12:31 PM Re: Ypur Expert Opinion ... Power Supply Upgrade [Re: GreyFuss]
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Well I have viewed about a dozen videos about Windows 8 and can't see why this is any good for a desktop user. The Metro Interface that is designed for mobile devices is terrible on the Desktop computer with all the dragging around the screen. Why Microsoft didn't put in an option to not use the Metro Interface for Desktop users sure is baffling to me. I don't do the mobile devices and I guess I can see that Win 8 must be useful for those who do (watching others) but why force it on to the Desktop. To me the drop down menus is the easiest to use and with just clicking the mouse on the desktop. There just is too much dragging, swooshing and possibly keyboard shortcuts. In short, Windows 8 looks to be more like an action/adventure game more than a pure adventure game and I dislike action/adventures. hardwall So no Win 8 for me.

Now onto watching a bunch of Win 7 videos


Just wait until they release Windows 8.1 (codename Blue) - It blows just as many chunks, if not more. Apparently some of the 3rd party apps, like those that restore the start button, no longer work.

If that's the direction they intend to go, I'm out of the Microsoft fan boy club smile

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#879088 - 04/07/13 12:43 PM Re: Ypur Expert Opinion ... Power Supply Upgrade [Re: GreyFuss]
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Windows 7 has had SP1 for quite a long time. In fact as of this week, you must have SP1 for continued support from Microsoft - just like they did for XP SP2.

2020 will be it for Windows 7, Greyfuss, no matter what. They may continue limited support for the enterprise, but that's it. While it all remains to be seen, I'm not writing off Windows 8 just yet. This is interesting reading based on user reveiws at Amazon. Just How Much Do People Really Hate Windows 8

Jenny, I got my mom a Tracfone that has features for use with hearing aids for $20. The speaker phone is so loud that it's painful if you mistakenly have it up to your ear! She can even hear hear on her cell phone without her hearing aids. I also don't care for the expensive monthly contracts since I don't text or need the internet on a phone. I pay for what I use and only when I use it. No contracts. I pay roughly about 4 cents per minute.

Yeah, I'm not looking forward to Blue either, Inland. If it disables 3rd party apps, I'll be joining the "blowing chunks" crowd too.

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#879107 - 04/07/13 01:36 PM Re: Ypur Expert Opinion ... Power Supply Upgrade [Re: InlandAZ]
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Just wait until they release Windows 8.1 (codename Blue) - It blows just as many chunks, if not more. Apparently some of the 3rd party apps, like those that restore the start button, no longer work.

If that's the direction they intend to go, I'm out of the Microsoft fan boy club smile


Thanks Inland, I got a good chuckle there. Funny you mentioned this as I was thinking something similar (well not blowing chunks) I was thinking if Win 8/Blue is the direction Microsoft is going and away from the Desktop user I wonder if moving to Mac is a good option.

Thank you Jenny and Drac for the SP 1 info, good to know.

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2020 will be it for Windows 7, Greyfuss, no matter what. They may continue limited support for the enterprise, but that's it.


But...But... wasn't XP Pro supported longer that the Home edition? and wasn't that extended?

Just checked my records and it was only 2004 when I bought my first Windows XP computer, seems like so much longer ago. And 2007 when I bought the current Desktop XP. So it does look like my best option is to move to Windows 7 and have at least 7 years of use. Build the unit big enough that if necessary it would be easy to upgrade to a new operating system at that time. But more likely that getting 7 years out of a new one I would probably build another one at that time and hopefully Microsoft or someone will have an OS suitable for Desktop use.

A new computer would also get me to finally going with the super speed cable that I have been putting off because I will have to change all my email accounts. My cable is fast enough now but I want the fastest my cable company offers and even though my Earthlink is through them, Earthlink has no faster option.

Off to play with some more builds at ecollege and Cyberpower....
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#879119 - 04/07/13 02:06 PM Re: Ypur Expert Opinion ... Power Supply Upgrade [Re: GreyFuss]
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But...But... wasn't XP Pro supported longer that the Home edition? and wasn't that extended?

Depends on what you call "support."
Are you talking about the ability to phone up Microsoft for help?
or are you fine just getting security updates?

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#879121 - 04/07/13 02:15 PM Re: Ypur Expert Opinion ... Power Supply Upgrade [Re: GreyFuss]
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The problem with going with a Mac is that very few of your games will work on a Mac. They are getting better at porting games to the Mac, but they are mostly casual games, the occasional adventure game and now and then an RPG.

Here is the chart for the support cycles with mainstream support being the ability to call Microsoft for help as Jenny says. DO IGNORE the "But Windows 8!" on the right... grin

Microsoft Support Cycles
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#879136 - 04/07/13 03:01 PM Re: Ypur Expert Opinion ... Power Supply Upgrade [Re: Jenny100]
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Depends on what you call "support."
Are you talking about the ability to phone up Microsoft for help?
or are you fine just getting security updates?


Yes, the Security Updates.


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Here is the chart for the support cycles with mainstream support being the ability to call Microsoft for help as Jenny says. DO IGNORE the "But Windows 8!" on the right... grin
Microsoft Support Cycles


Thanks for the link Drac, am I reading it correctly that the Security Updates will stop in August 2014?

lol consider it ignored

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#879144 - 04/07/13 03:27 PM Re: Ypur Expert Opinion ... Power Supply Upgrade [Re: GreyFuss]
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That would be April 2014 - they put the day of the month first, so it's April 8, 2014.
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#879147 - 04/07/13 03:33 PM Re: Ypur Expert Opinion ... Power Supply Upgrade [Re: Draclvr]
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Originally Posted By: Draclvr
That would be April 2014 - they put the day of the month first, so it's April 8, 2014.


Oh, I see that they used the European way of writing a date 8/4/2014 which I assumed to be August 4th 2014 and not the US date way 4/8/2014

Thank you Ma`am

I am already full of questions regarding the choices at ecollege and Cyberpower but I will start another thread for those questions and suggestion to keep it neat and tidy.
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#879149 - 04/07/13 03:50 PM Re: Ypur Expert Opinion ... Power Supply Upgrade [Re: GreyFuss]
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I thought the same thing until I saw some of the other dates that didn't make sense any other way!

Good idea about a new computer thread, but this one has been a ton of fun!
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#879150 - 04/07/13 03:51 PM Re: Ypur Expert Opinion ... Power Supply Upgrade [Re: Draclvr]
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I don't use a smart phone either. I no longer have kids living at home to keep track of. Don't text. And trying to see websites on a small screen? Forget about it! Hardly use my cell phone except when traveling anyway. Just can't justify the monthly expense.

I do have a media player and a tablet though. They do most of the same things as smart phones do, just without the always-on calling aspect. Works for me. I have eReaders too: a keyboard Kindle and a touch Nook.

RE: Win 7 & Win 8 ... I went from XP to Win 7. Skipped Vista. As far as Win 8, I want to watch to see if it turns out to be a strong OS or one folks sneer at like they did Win ME and Vista. Weren't those two systems sort of transitional too? Sometimes, people's reactions are just an initial response to something different, not necessarily flawed. Maybe a little more time will tell.
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#879154 - 04/07/13 03:55 PM Re: Ypur Expert Opinion ... Power Supply Upgrade [Re: GreyFuss]
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I believe you have hit the proverbial nail on the head, Lanlynk. Folks are definitely sneering at it now, but will it stay that way is the question. If they continue on the current "rumored" path, for me it will be a fail. I understand WHY they are going this way as they anticipate the death of the desktop as we know it. It's all about marketing, money and profit - you know, capitalism! As long as they keep the desktop and the ability to run legacy programs, I really like Windows 8 for all the things under the hood. As soon as they completely move away from the desktop with mouse and keyboard controls, that's when I'm outa' here.
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#879162 - 04/07/13 04:18 PM Re: Ypur Expert Opinion ... Power Supply Upgrade [Re: Draclvr]
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Originally Posted By: Draclvr
As soon as they completely move away from the desktop with mouse and keyboard controls, that's when I'm outa' here.


Oh! I just got this crazy visual: me playing an RPG on a touch screen. Instead of madly clicking my mouse button to fight a bandit ... I'm whacking him savagely with my index finger! That seems a bit too close to reality, doesn't it? eek
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#879279 - 04/08/13 12:31 AM Re: Ypur Expert Opinion ... Power Supply Upgrade [Re: lanlynk]
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Unless tablets and the like get as powerful as a desktop can be, desktops will be around. There are too many programs that can't run on tablets and the like.
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#879280 - 04/08/13 12:41 AM Re: Ypur Expert Opinion ... Power Supply Upgrade [Re: GreyFuss]
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From your mouth to Microsoft's ear, Homer... I agree that the predicted demise of the desktop is highly overrated, but I've learned to never assume anything.
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#879293 - 04/08/13 04:24 AM Re: Ypur Expert Opinion ... Power Supply Upgrade [Re: GreyFuss]
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I like to lean back and relax in my chair when I am at my computer. I don't want to have to be hunched over my desk so I can touch a screen.

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#879368 - 04/08/13 09:51 AM Re: Ypur Expert Opinion ... Power Supply Upgrade [Re: GreyFuss]
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Yup, me too. Like right now, I'm in my comfy chair with a cup of coffee in one hand enjoying reading my morning news and browsing. Pinching and swiping and tapping is NOT what I want to do right now!
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#879448 - 04/08/13 12:36 PM Re: Ypur Expert Opinion ... Power Supply Upgrade [Re: Draclvr]
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Originally Posted By: Draclvr
From your mouth to Microsoft's ear, Homer... I agree that the predicted demise of the desktop is highly overrated, but I've learned to never assume anything.


Yep, assume only makes an...

MS might like to think the desktop will eventually go by the wayside, but unless they gain ownership of those programs that need a powerful desktop, or someone develops a tablet, or the like, as powerful as a desktop, they are assuming and making an...
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#879458 - 04/08/13 01:15 PM Re: Ypur Expert Opinion ... Power Supply Upgrade [Re: GreyFuss]
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Yup, I know that one about assume!
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#879509 - 04/08/13 05:06 PM Re: Ypur Expert Opinion ... Power Supply Upgrade [Re: Draclvr]
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Originally Posted By: Draclvr
The answer to that question, kjos, is "maybe." Run the Windows 7 Upgrade advisor to be sure your computer has enough power and there are drivers for all your components. If it's an older computer, it may not work well.

Windows 7 Upgrade Advisor



Thank you for this link. I used it last night to check my old XP laptop. Results showed that I could upgrade to Win 7, but it would have to be a "Custom" install--meaning that I'd have to install the 32 bit version and reinstall all my other programs. Not to mention spending, what?, about $100 for the Win 7 upgrade. Decided not to go there.

BUT, I did install a full version of the newest Ubuntu Linux OS. The laptop is running great; everything looks really good. I can use this extra laptop mainly for internet use backup. Might be fun to check out what games are available for Linux too. I've worked with Linux a little, but never looked into gaming.

Well, this thread has gone all over the place, hasn't it?
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#879587 - 04/09/13 12:40 AM Re: Ypur Expert Opinion ... Power Supply Upgrade [Re: lanlynk]
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Your post, lanlynk, gave me another thought. If MS isn't careful they could very easily drive users to start using other OS on their computers.
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#879590 - 04/09/13 12:51 AM Re: Ypur Expert Opinion ... Power Supply Upgrade [Re: GreyFuss]
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I've played around with Ubuntu Linx too - unfortunately gaming is extremely limited. And every time I needed to do something I had to enter tons of code - I just want my OS to work for me. And as long as you have it on a single hard drive in a stand-alone computer, you won't have to enter "Grub Loader He]]" like I did. The grub load took over everything and I lost my first Windows 7 installation. Even the people at the Linux forums where I went for help admitted the grub loader had also caused them tons of problems in dual boot situations.
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#879592 - 04/09/13 01:08 AM Re: Ypur Expert Opinion ... Power Supply Upgrade [Re: Homer6]
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Originally Posted By: Homer6
Your post, lanlynk, gave me another thought. If MS isn't careful they could very easily drive users to start using other OS on their computers.


Proprietary software can be so expensive, whether Microsoft, Apple, or any other. It makes for tough decisions about upgrading computers. I think it's so crazy that I can buy computer components for less money than the programs that run on the devices!

In some cases, I HAVE gone to open source freeware. Since I've retired, I have had no need for MS Office, for instance. I use LibreOffice instead. Saves me hundreds of dollars. When an upgrade is needed, I just download it. It works for my needs. Zimbra is another example of open source. It's an email client. Why should I pay $100 for Outlook if I don't need it now?

Linux is a good OS. It's more intuitive now days. And the compatible software database for it is growing. Anyway, its a good alternative for someone who doesn't specifically need Windows to run games or programs. Good for graphics, music, email, or internet.

MS does make it difficult to leave them, though, because of PC gaming and business preferences. Just look at how hard Apple and others have worked to grab a piece of the pie!
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#879593 - 04/09/13 01:14 AM Re: Ypur Expert Opinion ... Power Supply Upgrade [Re: Draclvr]
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Oh, goodness, Draclvr! Was there a specific problem? I haven't had to do much command work at all. Last night, I was able to access my Windows Network with the new Linux machine. The network printer install went smoothly, too. I decided not to do a dual boot. Just installed over the old XP.

I know what you mean, though, when a tech problem happens. It can really destroy a good mood! Sometimes it's difficult to track issues down. Well, just look at all the people here on the forum posting about game issues!

Certainly I agree about the lack of gaming choices for Linux. Windows has a captive audience there. Unless someone does console gaming, PCs are the only answer. Even Macs take back row in that!
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#879594 - 04/09/13 01:15 AM Re: Ypur Expert Opinion ... Power Supply Upgrade [Re: GreyFuss]
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Well said, Lanlynk.
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