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#878874 - 04/06/13 06:36 PM Re: Ypur Expert Opinion ... Power Supply Upgrade [Re: GreyFuss]
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Just read this posted today Windows 8 Has Failed so that looks to be out.

Jenny I like the idea of building a big rig with a dual boot and Win 7 with Win XP but if XP is on the same computer wouldn't it make the whole computer a security risk if XP is on board?

I have been drooling over the cases I see at ecollegepc and Cyberpower. Huge cases with airport size fans. I could do without all the neon lights but a supersized PSU is getting me turned on. Once again I had better go lay down and cool off to get rid of this "I want a new computer" virus I just caught.

Question about the Win 7, what is the real difference between 32 bit and 64 bit. Is it one of those things that the human eye really can't see. Like super duper expensive speakers vs very good speakers? And when will the support stop for that? Like XP will Win 7 Pro support last longer than Home?

I love this as I am learning so much.
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#878876 - 04/06/13 06:37 PM Re: Ypur Expert Opinion ... Power Supply Upgrade [Re: GreyFuss]
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And that's the bottom line for sure. They aren't going to be keeping it patched because they can't. Good point.

Greyfuss, you can find any number of articles out there that say Windows 8 has failed. You can also find any number of articles that say it's the wave of the future or that the verdict isn't in yet. I'm in the camp with the verdict isn't in yet, because I really like it.

Did you watch the video I linked you to?

Jenny can explain the reason about 32 bit and 64 bit, but essentially 32 bit can only "see" and use a bit less that 4 GB of RAM. 64 bit can see and use 8, 16, 32 and on up GB of RAM.

I had my XP and my Windows 7 on the same motherboard and it didn't work out well at all. If you get a new computer, you will be getting a snazzy updated motherboard too. They just don't have the drivers needed to run XP well. I finally built a low end system just to house my old XP drive.

Oh, and Microsoft will support Windows 7 until 2020, so you will be good to go for a long time.

Just to whet your appetite, why don't you go to eCollegePC and just play around with putting something together just to see what's out there - it's sort of fun!
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#878877 - 04/06/13 06:49 PM Re: Ypur Expert Opinion ... Power Supply Upgrade [Re: GreyFuss]
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Sorry Drac, what video was that? The one about installing a PSU?


Edited by GreyFuss (04/06/13 06:53 PM)
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#878879 - 04/06/13 07:04 PM Re: Ypur Expert Opinion ... Power Supply Upgrade [Re: GreyFuss]
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No, the one on page 2 of the thread... Meet Windows 8.
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#878880 - 04/06/13 07:20 PM Re: Ypur Expert Opinion ... Power Supply Upgrade [Re: GreyFuss]
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Originally Posted By: GreyFuss
Just read this posted today Windows 8 Has Failed so that looks to be out.

That guy seems to think people would rather keep spending money on an Office subscription (or have Office quit working) than possibly spend money as necessary on computer upgrades. All this "in the cloud" stuff you read about is marketing. They want to push people into spending and spending and spending on the same software every year instead of just buying it and using it as long as it works.

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Jenny I like the idea of building a big rig with a dual boot and Win 7 with Win XP but if XP is on the same computer wouldn't it make the whole computer a security risk if XP is on board?

Just disable the network card in XP and it won't pick up any viruses from the Internet while XP is running. When you want to browse the Internet, you boot into Win7.

I was actually thinking more of a 2nd hard drive for your current computer, but I don't know how old it is, how much memory it has, or if it has space for a 2nd hard drive.

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#878890 - 04/06/13 08:11 PM Re: Ypur Expert Opinion ... Power Supply Upgrade [Re: GreyFuss]
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Drac

I don't see a video in that link.

Thanks Jenny for your input. It may be because I have the the new computer virus but instead of paying for a new PSU, Graphics Card, Windows 7 OS and new Harddrive it may be better to get a new rig with all that on it but its nice to hear you options.

I still don't know, is Win 7 64 bit better or worth it over 32 bit?

Is Win 7 Ultimate any different than Pro?

Since Win 7 has been out for a while when does support expire for it? Will support last longer for Pro like XP does Ultimate?


Oh my...there are just soo many choices to pick from at ecollege and cyberpower and compared to what I use to spend on computers in the past very reasonable.

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#878893 - 04/06/13 08:24 PM Re: Ypur Expert Opinion ... Power Supply Upgrade [Re: GreyFuss]
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Originally Posted By: GreyFuss
I still don't know, is Win 7 64 bit better or worth it over 32 bit?

Yes. Most new computers come with at least 8GB of system RAM, and a 32-bit operating system wouldn't even be able to use half of that. There's no point in using 32-bit unless you have an old system where the motherboard won't take more than 4GB anyway. The only advantage of 32-bit is that 64-bit operating systems won't use 16-bit code. But games that are so old they use 16-bit code are best played in an emulator anyway.

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Is Win 7 Ultimate any different than Pro?

Not for your purposes. As you can see here
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows7/products/compare#T1=tab01
you don't get Bitlocker and you can't switch between 35 different languages with Pro.

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Since Win 7 has been out for a while when does support expire for it?

2020 -- of course that may change in the future and it may be supported later than that.

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Will support last longer for Pro like XP does Ultimate?

Pro is the Professional version, which will be supported longer than the Home version. Ultimate is the same as Enterprise (the difference is that Enterprise uses a volume license) and will be supported the same as Pro.

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Oh my...there are just soo many choices to pick from at ecollege and cyberpower and compared to what I use to spend on computers in the past very reasonable.

Have fun.

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#878897 - 04/06/13 08:45 PM Re: Ypur Expert Opinion ... Power Supply Upgrade [Re: GreyFuss]
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All valuble lessons Jenny, thank you. If I am not mistaken Win XP support was extnded when it was first supposed to expire by Microsoft. Hopefully they will do that with Win 7 also. The Tomato Lady knows me well and if she says Win 8 would drive me crazy then I certainly wouldn't want to make myself crazy. Any push might send me over the kook-kew's nest
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#878905 - 04/06/13 09:33 PM Re: Ypur Expert Opinion ... Power Supply Upgrade [Re: GreyFuss]
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Hope you find the computer you're looking for, GreyFuss.

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#878908 - 04/06/13 09:45 PM Re: Ypur Expert Opinion ... Power Supply Upgrade [Re: GreyFuss]
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Greyfuss, there is a button on that page that says, "Watch the Video." You really should at least take a look at it so you know what Windows 8 looks like.

64-bit Windows 7 Home Premium will be exactly what you need and it will be supported until at least 2020.

This has been a fun discussion! Please feel free to come back here for help with the jungle of components to choose from if you decide to have one built for you.
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#878914 - 04/06/13 10:20 PM Re: Ypur Expert Opinion ... Power Supply Upgrade [Re: Draclvr]
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Originally Posted By: Draclvr
Greyfuss, there is a button on that page that says, "Watch the Video."


Where, Drac? I didn't see one on the Meet Windows 8 page. Not that I want it, I'd just like to see the hype. grin

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#878916 - 04/06/13 10:26 PM Re: Ypur Expert Opinion ... Power Supply Upgrade [Re: Draclvr]
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Draclvr, I watched the video. Thanks. They make Win 8 look pretty cool. Everything seems to be moving toward touch. Maybe Win 8 is kind of a bridge OS, with both touch and keyboard/mouse?

When Win 8 was on sale at the first of the year, I thought about upgrading from Win 7. One of my sons said that unless I was using a touch screen, though, I might as well stick with Win 7 for now, even though Win 8 has some other features.

I love new technology, but I usually let the bravest users work through the bugs and glitches ... in games and devices. wink
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#878918 - 04/06/13 10:48 PM Re: Ypur Expert Opinion ... Power Supply Upgrade [Re: Draclvr]
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Originally Posted By: Draclvr
Greyfuss, there is a button on that page that says, "Watch the Video." You really should at least take a look at it so you know what Windows 8 looks like.

64-bit Windows 7 Home Premium will be exactly what you need and it will be supported until at least 2020.

This has been a fun discussion! Please feel free to come back here for help with the jungle of components to choose from if you decide to have one built for you.


There isn't a "Watch the Video" on the screen I see. Could it be because I am using FireFox? Or maybe I need new glasses, new brain, both of which I should really be upgrading too.

I have been playing around with the different configuration at those computer sites and I know for sure that I will need help with things like Motherboard and such and of course I would not purchase anything without posting the configuration for all of you to help me with.
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#878924 - 04/06/13 11:34 PM Re: Ypur Expert Opinion ... Power Supply Upgrade [Re: GreyFuss]
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Originally Posted By: GreyFuss
There isn't a "Watch the Video" on the screen I see. Could it be because I am using FireFox?

Well I see the button with Firefox -- but only if I block scripting from aspnetcdn.com
And whether I block aspnetcdn.com or not, the button doesn't work in Firefox on a Mac. However I see the button and it works in Safari. And I have to wonder how much they paid those people to act like such microbrains.

Here's a different Windows 8 video that answers a vital question
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gL2i7MCb768

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#878931 - 04/06/13 11:50 PM Re: Ypur Expert Opinion ... Power Supply Upgrade [Re: GreyFuss]
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Thanks for the link Jenny

Egad.....no way...Win 8 is not for computers and not for me for sure. That looks like its made for touchscreen stuff like Lanlynk says. Draclvr, you were right, I would never like that. Now I wonder if there is a good video on what Win 7 is like.
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