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Re: Ypur Expert Opinion ... Power Supply Upgrade [Re: GreyFuss] #878943
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I really tried to watch that one, Gil, but he was just too annoying.

Greyfuss, Windows 7 is really a great operating system. It's fast and secure and stable... It's definitely the best OS they've ever developed. There are certainly new things to learn, but once you learn a few things, it's great. When I go back to XP now, it feels so clunky and old and slow.

Like it or not, it's just time to move on or you will get left behind. And you will croak of second hand smoke if you try Bingo at the VFW hall!

I don't think my desktop and my Start screen are ugly... well, maybe the desktop is REALLY green!

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Re: Ypur Expert Opinion ... Power Supply Upgrade [Re: GreyFuss] #878944
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Well, the desktop is purty. I'll hold off on telling you what I think of your start screen. Though it does remind me of something a kid would do if he was turned loose with a lot of colored construction paper and a pair of blunt scissors. grin

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Re: Ypur Expert Opinion ... Power Supply Upgrade [Re: GreyFuss] #878945
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Hey, I spent a lot of time getting it just right with my blunt scissors and my construction paper! I do have white glue all over my keyboard now though. grin


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Re: Ypur Expert Opinion ... Power Supply Upgrade [Re: GreyFuss] #879009
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Well I have viewed about a dozen videos about Windows 8 and can't see why this is any good for a desktop user. The Metro Interface that is designed for mobile devices is terrible on the Desktop computer with all the dragging around the screen. Why Microsoft didn't put in an option to not use the Metro Interface for Desktop users sure is baffling to me. I don't do the mobile devices and I guess I can see that Win 8 must be useful for those who do (watching others) but why force it on to the Desktop. To me the drop down menus is the easiest to use and with just clicking the mouse on the desktop. There just is too much dragging, swooshing and possibly keyboard shortcuts. In short, Windows 8 looks to be more like an action/adventure game more than a pure adventure game and I dislike action/adventures. hardwall So no Win 8 for me.

Now onto watching a bunch of Win 7 videos


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Re: Ypur Expert Opinion ... Power Supply Upgrade [Re: GreyFuss] #879028
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See! I TOLD you you would not like Windows 8 and that was why you need to consider either getting a new Windows 7 computer or picking up a copy of Windows 7 and hanging on to it for a future build.

Personally, I find Windows 8 easier to use with a keyboard and mouse and some of the new features make like SO much easier. The new task manager is what the task manager SHOULD be; you can grab a screenshot by simply pressing Windows key + Print Screen and it is saved as a .jpg file in a folder called Screenshots; I can send a photo to someone without even opening up my email program; I don't have to reboot after every update...

But then, I prefer action and RPG games to pure adventure games, so there you are!


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Re: Ypur Expert Opinion ... Power Supply Upgrade [Re: Draclvr] #879040
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Originally Posted By: Draclvr


But then, I prefer action and RPG games to pure adventure games, so there you are!



Do you also use the mobile devices?


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Re: Ypur Expert Opinion ... Power Supply Upgrade [Re: GreyFuss] #879048
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Just barely, Greyfuss. I dearly love my Kindle Fire, but only just last month got a cell phone that has a touch screen. It's a cheap $20 Tracfone, but it works for me!

I would probably have a hard time getting used to Windows 8 on a touch device because it works so well for me with keyboard and mouse.

I'm only a "semi-luddite!" And can you tell that Gil and I were up way too late last night teasing each other?!


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Re: Ypur Expert Opinion ... Power Supply Upgrade [Re: GreyFuss] #879063
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Can I just install win 7 on my xp computer. Anything I have to change on the xp? Thanks
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Re: Ypur Expert Opinion ... Power Supply Upgrade [Re: GreyFuss] #879064
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This is a very interesting and informative topic! Looks like I am going to have to get a new Pc sooner than I thought!!!! I am sure I will be back looking for help with the new bad win 7 system.... Don't thinking want win 8 either.


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Re: Ypur Expert Opinion ... Power Supply Upgrade [Re: GreyFuss] #879065
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Originally Posted By: GreyFuss
Egad.....no way...Win 8 is not for computers and not for me for sure. That looks like its made for touchscreen stuff like Lanlynk says.

Lots of people agree with you.

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Now I wonder if there is a good video on what Win 7 is like.

Using Windows 7 is much more like using XP than Windows 8 is. Some interfaces that were changed in Vista will also be changed in Windows 7 -- for example the way you access and use Desktop Properties. This is where the Start Search is particularly useful. You just type what you're looking for into it and it lists possibilities. You want Device Manager? Type Device Manager in the Start Search. It's usable pretty much off the bat.

It's too bad you waited so long to look at Windows 7 because now all the computers in the local stores have Windows 8 instead of 7.

Re: Ypur Expert Opinion ... Power Supply Upgrade [Re: GreyFuss] #879067
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The answer to that question, kjos, is "maybe." Run the Windows 7 Upgrade advisor to be sure your computer has enough power and there are drivers for all your components. If it's an older computer, it may not work well.

Windows 7 Upgrade Advisor

It's been a fun topic, Winfrey!


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Re: Ypur Expert Opinion ... Power Supply Upgrade [Re: Draclvr] #879070
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Originally Posted By: Draclvr
Just barely, Greyfuss. I dearly love my Kindle Fire, but only just last month got a cell phone that has a touch screen. It's a cheap $20 Tracfone, but it works for me!

It's not the cost of a phone -- it's the monthly charges that keep me from getting one. And if I did get one, I'd want one with strong enough speakers that I don't have to hold it up to my head to hear.

Re: Ypur Expert Opinion ... Power Supply Upgrade [Re: GreyFuss] #879071
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Thanks Draclvr,will do.
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Re: Ypur Expert Opinion ... Power Supply Upgrade [Re: Jenny100] #879073
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It's too bad you waited so long to look at Windows 7 because now all the computers in the local stores have Windows 8 instead of 7.


That is why I want my next computer to be from ecollegepc or Cyberpower where Win 7 is still available. My hope is that there is so much dislike for Win 8 that they would continue support for Win 7 past the expiration date of 2020 because I have already missed close to 4 years of Win 7. Has Windows 7 had any updated Service Packs?


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There is an SP1 for Windows 7.

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Originally Posted By: GreyFuss
Well I have viewed about a dozen videos about Windows 8 and can't see why this is any good for a desktop user. The Metro Interface that is designed for mobile devices is terrible on the Desktop computer with all the dragging around the screen. Why Microsoft didn't put in an option to not use the Metro Interface for Desktop users sure is baffling to me. I don't do the mobile devices and I guess I can see that Win 8 must be useful for those who do (watching others) but why force it on to the Desktop. To me the drop down menus is the easiest to use and with just clicking the mouse on the desktop. There just is too much dragging, swooshing and possibly keyboard shortcuts. In short, Windows 8 looks to be more like an action/adventure game more than a pure adventure game and I dislike action/adventures. hardwall So no Win 8 for me.

Now onto watching a bunch of Win 7 videos


Just wait until they release Windows 8.1 (codename Blue) - It blows just as many chunks, if not more. Apparently some of the 3rd party apps, like those that restore the start button, no longer work.

If that's the direction they intend to go, I'm out of the Microsoft fan boy club smile

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Windows 7 has had SP1 for quite a long time. In fact as of this week, you must have SP1 for continued support from Microsoft - just like they did for XP SP2.

2020 will be it for Windows 7, Greyfuss, no matter what. They may continue limited support for the enterprise, but that's it. While it all remains to be seen, I'm not writing off Windows 8 just yet. This is interesting reading based on user reveiws at Amazon. Just How Much Do People Really Hate Windows 8

Jenny, I got my mom a Tracfone that has features for use with hearing aids for $20. The speaker phone is so loud that it's painful if you mistakenly have it up to your ear! She can even hear hear on her cell phone without her hearing aids. I also don't care for the expensive monthly contracts since I don't text or need the internet on a phone. I pay for what I use and only when I use it. No contracts. I pay roughly about 4 cents per minute.

Yeah, I'm not looking forward to Blue either, Inland. If it disables 3rd party apps, I'll be joining the "blowing chunks" crowd too.



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Re: Ypur Expert Opinion ... Power Supply Upgrade [Re: InlandAZ] #879107
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Just wait until they release Windows 8.1 (codename Blue) - It blows just as many chunks, if not more. Apparently some of the 3rd party apps, like those that restore the start button, no longer work.

If that's the direction they intend to go, I'm out of the Microsoft fan boy club smile


Thanks Inland, I got a good chuckle there. Funny you mentioned this as I was thinking something similar (well not blowing chunks) I was thinking if Win 8/Blue is the direction Microsoft is going and away from the Desktop user I wonder if moving to Mac is a good option.

Thank you Jenny and Drac for the SP 1 info, good to know.

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2020 will be it for Windows 7, Greyfuss, no matter what. They may continue limited support for the enterprise, but that's it.


But...But... wasn't XP Pro supported longer that the Home edition? and wasn't that extended?

Just checked my records and it was only 2004 when I bought my first Windows XP computer, seems like so much longer ago. And 2007 when I bought the current Desktop XP. So it does look like my best option is to move to Windows 7 and have at least 7 years of use. Build the unit big enough that if necessary it would be easy to upgrade to a new operating system at that time. But more likely that getting 7 years out of a new one I would probably build another one at that time and hopefully Microsoft or someone will have an OS suitable for Desktop use.

A new computer would also get me to finally going with the super speed cable that I have been putting off because I will have to change all my email accounts. My cable is fast enough now but I want the fastest my cable company offers and even though my Earthlink is through them, Earthlink has no faster option.

Off to play with some more builds at ecollege and Cyberpower....


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Re: Ypur Expert Opinion ... Power Supply Upgrade [Re: GreyFuss] #879119
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But...But... wasn't XP Pro supported longer that the Home edition? and wasn't that extended?

Depends on what you call "support."
Are you talking about the ability to phone up Microsoft for help?
or are you fine just getting security updates?

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The problem with going with a Mac is that very few of your games will work on a Mac. They are getting better at porting games to the Mac, but they are mostly casual games, the occasional adventure game and now and then an RPG.

Here is the chart for the support cycles with mainstream support being the ability to call Microsoft for help as Jenny says. DO IGNORE the "But Windows 8!" on the right... grin

Microsoft Support Cycles


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Re: Ypur Expert Opinion ... Power Supply Upgrade [Re: Jenny100] #879136
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Originally Posted By: Jenny100

Depends on what you call "support."
Are you talking about the ability to phone up Microsoft for help?
or are you fine just getting security updates?


Yes, the Security Updates.


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Here is the chart for the support cycles with mainstream support being the ability to call Microsoft for help as Jenny says. DO IGNORE the "But Windows 8!" on the right... grin
Microsoft Support Cycles


Thanks for the link Drac, am I reading it correctly that the Security Updates will stop in August 2014?

lol consider it ignored



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That would be April 2014 - they put the day of the month first, so it's April 8, 2014.


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Originally Posted By: Draclvr
That would be April 2014 - they put the day of the month first, so it's April 8, 2014.


Oh, I see that they used the European way of writing a date 8/4/2014 which I assumed to be August 4th 2014 and not the US date way 4/8/2014

Thank you Ma`am

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I thought the same thing until I saw some of the other dates that didn't make sense any other way!

Good idea about a new computer thread, but this one has been a ton of fun!


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I don't use a smart phone either. I no longer have kids living at home to keep track of. Don't text. And trying to see websites on a small screen? Forget about it! Hardly use my cell phone except when traveling anyway. Just can't justify the monthly expense.

I do have a media player and a tablet though. They do most of the same things as smart phones do, just without the always-on calling aspect. Works for me. I have eReaders too: a keyboard Kindle and a touch Nook.

RE: Win 7 & Win 8 ... I went from XP to Win 7. Skipped Vista. As far as Win 8, I want to watch to see if it turns out to be a strong OS or one folks sneer at like they did Win ME and Vista. Weren't those two systems sort of transitional too? Sometimes, people's reactions are just an initial response to something different, not necessarily flawed. Maybe a little more time will tell.


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