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#88003 - 04/04/02 08:19 AM Re: TLJ = Too Long Jawing for me
nickie Offline
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Isn't it interesting how different our likes and dislikes, and perspectives on games are? I enjoyed the dialogues, much more interesting to me than a puzzle, and I never noticed the swearing! I don't swear myself, so you'd think I would notice, but I was so totally immersed in April's world that everything just flowed by. It seems to me in retrospect that the writer was trying to show how less than ideal the real world was for April, and employed devices to heighten the difference.
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#88004 - 04/06/02 12:08 AM Re: TLJ = Too Long Jawing for me
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Nickie,

I have just finished my replay and I agree. Other than the one dialogue with the priest - the dialogue flew by.

I will have to say that for this gamer - the replay was twice as great as the original play. I have recently replayed Gabe and Tex. I now have to say that TLJ is for me the greatest game I have ever played. This time around I was no longer focused on beating the game - Did that 2 years ago. I just wandered, roamed and reveled in the plot, the perfect voice overs, the characters that were so real that I almost miss them and those amazing worlds. All those incredible and varied places in this journey.

At the end - I was stunned all over again - maybe even more so and I thought of all the questions I still had - and fretted that there had to be at least one sequal. Well I suppose you can tell I am a fan - but I do think that those who gave up on the game - and I do understand why. well perhaps if possible you should dig deeper into this game - because there is so much to it, that at the end - it would be hard for me to think that most, if not all, would take away some worthwhile degree of pleasure from experiencing this journey. smile

Laura
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#88005 - 04/11/02 05:56 PM Re: TLJ = Too Long Jawing for me
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Ouch. I pity you guys who sat through some of those conversations. Just turn the subtitles on. When it gets tedious, skim the paragraph and tap escape to skip to the next. You usually only need to glance at the line for a second to tell whether it's important or not.

It's such a good game, but if it didn't have this feature it might have driven my insane.

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#88006 - 04/27/02 12:26 PM Re: TLJ = Too Long Jawing for me
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There was too much swearing in the game? I'm glad some other folks didn't think there was too much swearing! I thought there was a "little" swearing, but that was fine with me, I barely noticed it. Hmmm, what does that say about me?

I loved the game, but I did think those conversations went on and on and on! On a positive note, at least I managed to get all the subtext and background info you are supposed to get in a game, since I had to listen to all that talking. I'm so bad at that part in some games where you find a 200 page book (I'm exaggerating but not by much), you open it, and you are supposed to read it all to find the clue on page 145! Nooooooooooo! If it's in some supplementary step, I can't always bring myself to do it, unless it's really short.
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#88007 - 04/28/02 02:39 PM Re: TLJ = Too Long Jawing for me
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TLJ is the best game I have ever played and is my No.1 game. I enjoyed the long conversations as it meant you got really involved in her life and I really cared what happened. I really hope there is a sequal as I would love to get involved in the other adventures that would have happened to her before she got old.

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#88008 - 04/28/02 05:16 PM Re: TLJ = Too Long Jawing for me
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Laura, I just loved your introspection on this game. It makes me want to replay it right now. When I finished this game, I immediately contacted the developer to put my two cents in. I loved it. Shares no. 1 top favorite with another un-named game that isn't adventure.

Lots of the dialouge could be skipped. You didn't have to listen to everything. IMHO, the dialouge slowed down (their length shortened) as the game progessed and the puzzles became more important.

It seems that people either loved this game or really disliked it. I think that choosing the correct questions to ask were a puzzle. If you asked the right questions, you didn't need to ask the rest. I know I'm being very opinionated but I feel sorry for those who couldn't hack the dialouge. I feel that they missed out one one of the best games ever.

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#88009 - 04/30/02 04:55 AM Re: TLJ = Too Long Jawing for me
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Sorry to be late for the discussion... Before I read this I thought I was quite alone in not being a fan of TLJ.

What I remember most is the endless waiting for April to job from one end of the screen to the other. A complete waste of my time, I can't understand why they implemented a "run" feature when in fact she only jogged at a slow pace (better to implement the sprint option like inte Simon 3D). Small things like that puts me off the game.

What really bothered me was the language. Not the swearing (it there was any?) but the translation. I played the Swedish version, but sometimes it seemed to me they hadn't used a Swede to translate the manuscript. It was most obvious with the landlady. I guess in the English version she says "Honey" all the time, which I think is very American, but you really can't translate it into Swedish the way they did. We don't go around saying "honey" (Swedish: "Raring") like that.

The story didn't really catch my interest either, it was mostly a game to beat and nothing more. I also found it to be very linear. I was trying to trade it before but now I've decided to introduce it to my mother. (I tried to show her Myst but she didn't get the idea.)

I always play with subtitles, like Quaro suggested, so I was able to fast-forward most dialogue which is good since I'm not a game dialogue person. I like puzzles. smile

Basically, what I'm trying to say is that the game was good, but nothing special. It held no magic like Riven or DoTT.

Pernilla

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#88010 - 11/04/02 06:51 AM Re: TLJ = Too Long Jawing for me
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It's bad that the svearing is so overdone in the english version. In the norwegian part the foul-mouth is rather toned down and not very unsetling.
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#88011 - 11/05/02 11:07 AM Re: TLJ = Too Long Jawing for me
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I had not come back to this thread in a while, but wanted to once again say that Laura's comments made me want to play this game again.I no doubt will appreciate TLJ even more the second time around, when I am not so focused on completing it, rather than just savoring it.
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#469218 - 03/01/09 01:10 PM Re: TLJ = Too Long Jawing for me [Re: Bruce Fielder]
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i just got to chapter 3 and love this game , i will admit some parts mainly the preiest and cortez the dilog is very very long
frown but overall very good game also i know alot of people have mentioned there dislike for the F word being used too much i have just started chapter 3 and i have heard the F word about 3 times and b**tard used prob same i dnt think the swearing is used as much as people made out to be , and i know sum parts have long diolog but if you really wanted you can end the conersaion str8 away bye picking the good bye option lol


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#469224 - 03/01/09 01:28 PM Re: TLJ = Too Long Jawing for me [Re: davech1987]
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There is a lot of dialogue in this game, but I liked it wave
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#469301 - 03/01/09 04:38 PM Re: TLJ = Too Long Jawing for me [Re: looney4labs]
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i agree the diolouge is good and since i tend to read faster than listen i have subtitles and press esc when i think is it needed and i like the fact if u think u have missed sumthing important u can read it in the dairy section which is very helful

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#469460 - 03/01/09 10:07 PM Re: TLJ = Too Long Jawing for me [Re: davech1987]
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I have to revise the view I expressed earlier in this thread ....

After playing the game a second time (many years after the first time) I really enjoyed it !! grin

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#469641 - 03/02/09 11:05 AM Re: TLJ = Too Long Jawing for me [Re: Mad]
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Wow! Seven year gap in posts on this game, between 2002 and 2009.

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#469691 - 03/02/09 12:02 PM Re: TLJ = Too Long Jawing for me [Re: Jenny100]
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Talk about beating an old horse but I have to throw my two cents in here. TLJ for me basically defined the Adventure genre and taught every one else how to tell a story. Yes there was a lot of talking but it was needed to reveal to the heroine and the player what was going on. I dare say there is no other game before or since that has so many detailed characters with well defined personalities. Each brought something to the game. I cannot think of a game that has achieved this level of story telling. Gabe and Tex defined the detective side of the genre which is still unequaled. April Ryan defined the fantasy side. For those of us who enjoy story based games TLJ excels above all others and set a high bar yet to be reached. I cannot think of a single game since that can match the multiple highly developed characters and depth of story. TLJ is the standard by which all other story games are measured.

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