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#889657 - 05/24/13 02:42 PM Re: Boot Up Taking Over 10 minutes [Re: InlandAZ]
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Thanks, Inland.

I've done that and now sent the email to you laugh
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#889669 - 05/24/13 03:19 PM Re: Boot Up Taking Over 10 minutes [Re: Mad]
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Nothing obvious in the bootlog - there are no timestamps, but at least nothing failed to load.

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#889672 - 05/24/13 03:24 PM Re: Boot Up Taking Over 10 minutes [Re: InlandAZ]
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So, no quick fix for me ?? I am distraught !!!! rotfl Thank you VERY much for looking, nonetheless, InlandAZ yes
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#889679 - 05/24/13 04:00 PM Re: Boot Up Taking Over 10 minutes [Re: Mad]
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When it's booting, is the hard drive light on solid or does it flicker? Does it go out for extended periods of time?

If it stays solid, it's probably trying to read from a bad sector. If it's flickering, it's reading files. If the hard drive light goes out for extended periods, Windows must be doing something unrelated to the boot drive.

You say you have 3 hard drives in the computer.
Do you install your games on one of the hard drives other than the XP drive?

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#889695 - 05/24/13 05:28 PM Re: Boot Up Taking Over 10 minutes [Re: Jenny100]
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Hi Jenny100 smile

I think I only have two actual "physical" drives. One partitioned into C and D and a separate, second, very big one, where I install my games (if I'm given that option). That one is labelled F.
[My CD DRive is E.]

I'll make a note to myself to watch the hard drive light and see what it does the next time I boot up - and then let you know. But it will probably be tomorrow now.

[As I said in a post higher up in this thread, I ran a separate CHKDSK on each drive and each one came up as clear. Shouldn't any possible bad sectors have shown up then ??]

Thanks.

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#889716 - 05/24/13 06:48 PM Re: Boot Up Taking Over 10 minutes [Re: Mad]
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Mad,

Have you tried again to do a System Restore? If your XP won't do it, that sounds like a problem of equal import to me. Have you ever tried to find out why it won't?

Gil.
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#889730 - 05/24/13 08:51 PM Re: Boot Up Taking Over 10 minutes [Re: Mad]
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Originally Posted By: Mad
I ran a separate CHKDSK on each drive and each one came up as clear. Shouldn't any possible bad sectors have shown up then ??

A hard-to-read sector won't necessarily show up in chkdsk as bad, even if it takes a lot longer to read than a healthy sector. A hard-to-read sector may not be totally bad, but it's getting there.

Do you know if your XP hard drive has S.M.A.R.T. (Self-Monitoring, Analysis and Reporting Technology) capability? If it does, you might try to find out how many sectors have been remapped.

Originally Posted By: Wikipedia
Today, most errors are detected and corrected by the disk drive -- sometimes by remapping a failed sector of the disk to a spare sector without the involvement of the operating system. This "silent correction" can lead to other problems if disk storage is not managed well, as the disk drive will continue to remap sectors until it runs out of spares, at which time the temporary correctable errors can turn into permanent ones as the disk drive deteriorates. S.M.A.R.T. provides a standardized way of monitoring the health of a disk drive, and there are tools available for most operating systems to automatically check the disk drive for impending failures by watching for deteriorating S.M.A.R.T. parameters.

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#889757 - 05/24/13 11:12 PM Re: Boot Up Taking Over 10 minutes [Re: Mad]
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There is one other possibility, since it looks like your drives may be OK. Perhaps your anti-virus program has changed it's startup procedure to include scanning more of your drives. This can happen if you have been regularly updating your anti-virus program.

Check the settings to see what is scanned during the boot process. You might be able to safely turn off some of the scans.

Of course, there may be other programs auto-running that you don't want so run msconfig and check the Startup list for junk.

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#889845 - 05/25/13 01:00 PM Re: Boot Up Taking Over 10 minutes [Re: Mad]
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You may want to download and install HD Tune - it contains a Health tab that displays your Hard Drive's current S.M.A.R.T counters. If you have a high Read Error Rate, or Reallocated Sector count it will definitely slow the boot process down.

Here the Freeware version - (you want HD Tune, Not HD Tune Pro) HD Tune

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#889978 - 05/25/13 11:23 PM Re: Boot Up Taking Over 10 minutes [Re: InlandAZ]
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Thanks all of you who are offering suggestions !! thumbsup

Jenny100
This is what the hard drive light does :

I switch the machine on and the "Motherboard Logo" screen appears.
The drive light is red for a few seconds and then goes off. But the Logo screen stays for at least five minutes.

When the boot up towards the Welcome Screen starts, the screen goes blank, the drive light flickers and then goes red for a short period and then goes off again.
And nothing else happens for another 5 minutes.

Whilst the Welcome screen is actually appearing, the drive light flickers continuously for a while and then mainly stays "solid" red until the boot up is complete.

Traveler
I've never bothered about the System Restore thing because any previous problems with this machine have always eventually been resolved without having to resort to using that.

Robert Gault
My techie Son in Law makes sure I don't have too much junk anywhere on any of my machines but I'll get him to check as soon as he is "available".

InlandAZ
Do I just download that HD Tune (say to Desktop) and then run it ??
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#890032 - 05/26/13 10:25 AM Re: Boot Up Taking Over 10 minutes [Re: Mad]
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Originally Posted By: Mad
I switch the machine on and the "Motherboard Logo" screen appears.
The drive light is red for a few seconds and then goes off. But the Logo screen stays for at least five minutes.

Since this happens before the hard drive even starts booting Windows, the problem isn't likely to be caused by hard drive corruption. What's likely happening during this first 5 minute delay is that the BIOS is trying to detect or initialize some piece of hardware. It may detect it, but be waiting for some feedback that it isn't getting.

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When the boot up towards the Welcome Screen starts, the screen goes blank, the drive light flickers and then goes red for a short period and then goes off again.
And nothing else happens for another 5 minutes.

NT-based versions of Windows detect hardware separately from the BIOS. So Windows is probably having the same problem with detection and/or initialization that the BIOS did earlier.

What's usually suggested in diagnosing this type of problem is to physically remove any non-essential hardware and see if the problem goes away. If it does, you start adding things back one by one until the problem reappears.

You could also check Device Manager for problems, though it might not indicate problems if initialization was eventually successful.

It's still worth testing the hard drive with the HDTune utility Inland suggested.

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#890049 - 05/26/13 11:21 AM Re: Boot Up Taking Over 10 minutes [Re: Mad]
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InlandAZ
Do I just download that HD Tune (say to Desktop) and then run it ??


Yes, that's all you need to do - It's a great little tool, I use it all the time.

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#890106 - 05/26/13 06:10 PM Re: Boot Up Taking Over 10 minutes [Re: Mad]
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Mad,

Jenny100 made an excellent observation and almost certainly has indicated the root of your problem.

As you don't sound like a techi smile and certainly will not want to poke around in the BIOS settings or check hardware (fans, batteries, memory sticks, etc.), you had better wait for your son-in-law to troubleshoot your computer.

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#890128 - 05/26/13 10:40 PM Re: Boot Up Taking Over 10 minutes [Re: Robert Gault]
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OK. I downloaded and ran HD Tune and got a full set of results - which I copied to Clipboard.
[So I can quote from those if you need me to.]
But the main thing (I think ??) is that the error Scan showed "No Damaged Blocks".

Anyway, I'll pass all this info on to my Son in Law as soon as he is available as I'm sure he'll find it helpful.

And thank you all again very much indeed !! praise
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#890217 - 05/27/13 10:55 AM Re: Boot Up Taking Over 10 minutes [Re: Mad]
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If sectors have been relocated, there will be no errors to report - The Info tab is the one you want to review.

You can view a list of error conditions below, the more serious errors are highlighted.

Known ATA S.M.A.R.T. attributes

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