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#892953 - 06/07/13 09:07 PM Part 2: Computer Monitors???
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In Part 2 of GreyFuss is getting a new computer (Part 1 is HERE ) we look for answers, options, opinions, suggestions and help on new Monitors.

I really don't need a new monitor (or a new computer for that matter) but if I am to grow up and get out of the Win XP world I might as well get out of the 20" 4:3 aspect ratio monitor I have now. This Dell Flat Panel has been great but it is older than 9 years and once again I should grow up to wide screen.

First some criteria that I want and then the questions.

* Need at least a 24"

* Vesa compliant as I plan on mounting it to the wall behind my desk.

* Have at least 2 type of connectors. At least one DVI for new computer (plus one for the XP PC for older games, maybe one, D-sub?, for 98SE) See question below for HDMI.

* Have Built in speakers for the XP & 98SE. The main computer has surround sound system



On to the questions...First Round


Is HDMI connection just for watching HD TV or HD games or is it the preferred method now for PC to monitor connection and is it better than the DVI? (of course the Graphic Card would have to support this)

Response Time: Is the lower the number the best or the higher? i.e. 5ms vs 1ms

Is LED backlit the best? It is for TV's but what about PC monitors and game playing?

Is an LCD Monitor the best used with a PC or is LCD TV technology just as good. Which is preferred?

Of course more questions will be generated by any and all help from you.
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#892972 - 06/07/13 11:53 PM Re: Part 2: Computer Monitors??? [Re: GreyFuss]
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Yea! GreyFuss Computer Part 2 bravo

I don't know about the TV connection aspects of monitors, so someone else will have to comment about that.

Personally, I use a Viewsonic, 22" LED monitor right now. LED is considered somewhat better, or at least the more current technology, than LCD. LED is actually LCD too, though, just a different type. There are other new technologies that have to do with angle viewing, etc. (IPS, for one). Here are a couple of links to read over:

Best Gaming LED/LCD Computer Monitors 2013

Monitors Buying Guide

The lower the response time listed, the better. Although keep in mind that manufacturers often list their "best" recorded times rather than their average. And the language they use to describe these response times can be confusing and difficult to compare to another brand's specs. Check around for reviews.

EDIT PS: That is going to be one heck of a monitor!


Edited by lanlynk (06/08/13 01:01 AM)
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#892974 - 06/08/13 12:54 AM Re: Part 2: Computer Monitors??? [Re: GreyFuss]
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Ummm... wow! I agree with lanlynk; that will be one heck of a monitor! Plus those are great links - I've bookmarked them myself.

First my monitor. It's a 4 year-old 22" Viewsonic. It has both HDMI and VGA connections. I have my old XP computer connected to the VGA interface. If I have both computers on, all I have to do to switch between them is press a button on my monitor. That's a very handy option rather than using a switch. I have a separate mouse and just switch my little Logitech Unifying Receiver for the keyboard. It's not perfect, but it works. A multiple computer KVM switch might be an option to allow you to use the same keyboard, monitor and mouse on all your computers. Some of them even have sound options.

HDMI just means High Definition Multiple Input - or that you can get HD video and audio through the same cable. Your old computers will not have an HDMI interface. So, if you want to use the (usually crappy, but adequate) speakers built in to the monitor, you will need to be sure there is a way to connect a separate speaker cable from your monitor to the old computer. That's assuming there will be a normal audio jack outlet from the monitor. Most likely with all new monitors, the build-in sound will be delivered through HDMI. If that's not possible, it might be best to just use a set of old speakers, especially if you want to be able to have sound for two extra computers.

The links explain a lot of the rest, but as you said, I'm sure there will be a lot more questions!

EDIT: Greyfus, this morning I was wandering around Newegg and saw this ViewSonic. It doesn't have HDMI, but does have the regular audio output on the back. This is the type of monitor that would work great with a KVM switch with support for sound.

ViewSonic

This ASUS has both HDMI and an audio output for even more options.

ASUS

The actual user reviews are a great resource. I usually throw out the 1 eggs reviews as most of the time they are not relevant.


Edited by Draclvr (06/08/13 10:53 AM)
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#893030 - 06/08/13 11:32 AM Re: Part 2: Computer Monitors??? [Re: GreyFuss]
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Originally Posted By: GreyFuss
* Have at least 2 type of connectors. At least one DVI for new computer (plus one for the XP PC for older games, maybe one, D-sub?, for 98SE)

You may have to use an adapter for the D-Sub unless you buy an older model.

Quote:
Is HDMI connection just for watching HD TV or HD games

No.

Quote:
or is it the preferred method now for PC to monitor connection

Again no.

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and is it better than the DVI?

No. HDMI has the potential to offer both sound and video over the same cable -- at least if the connections on both ends are set up for it. The picture doesn't look any better with HDMI than with DVI though -- as long as you're talking about DVI-D (digital DVI). Check the Wikipedia for more information on the differences in DVI types.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVI

You may have noticed that Frogwares had to make a patch for Sherlock Testament so it would work properly with HDMI.
***Sherlock Testament patch description***.
One of the things they mention is that the patch fixes screen lag with HDMI. Now Frogwares fixed the problem, but other game companies may not. So for best compatibility, I'd say to use DVI for games.

There is another type of port that is even newer, called the "Display Port."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Display_port

New video cards may have all three ports -- DVI, HDMI, and the Display port.

Quote:
Response Time: Is the lower the number the best or the higher? i.e. 5ms vs 1ms

Not if it means sacrificing things that are more important, like viewing angle, color depth, or color accuracy. 5ms is still fast enough for gaming.
According to the ***Wikipedia***...
Quote:
A worst-case response time of >16ms is insufficient for video gaming, due to the human eye being able to perceive differences in response times greater than 5ms. The difference between response times once below 10ms at 60Hz begin to become harder to perceive due to limitations of the human eye.

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#893039 - 06/08/13 11:47 AM Re: Part 2: Computer Monitors??? [Re: GreyFuss]
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Well, choosing a new monitor is going to be the hardest and most time consuming of all the choices of me getting a new computer. There are so many out there and different ratings seem to show a different variety of monitors. Of course I need more schooling and hopefully through my learning others will too.

What do you guys mean when you say "That it going to be one heck of a monitor"? Why?

There are so many choices, configurations we have to move on to Round 2 of the questions but let me say a little more about my needs to help. I may be trying to learn more than I need and making it more difficult.

I only play Adventure games, a lot of Internet use and do some photo editing. So I am not sure about the need for super fast response lag times but would like some speed. Vivid, vibrant colors are a must and I am not looking for bargans or narrowing my search by cost. Looking for the best in my needs catagory to last another 9 years.

Still don't understand the type of connections yet.

DVI replaced VGA (D-Sub) as the optimum connection. Has HDMI replaced the DVI as a better transfer of the graphical data or is it for HD TV viewing only? What about Display Port which is another connection I just read about? Is this the optimum now?

Is a HD monitor over kill for what I need a monitor for? I will never be watching TV or movies on it. Or is it advisable because there may be HD content on the Internet (Youtube and such)? In which case an HDMI connection and Graphics card is a must but I sure would want to disable the audio part of that to direct the sound through the sound system and not the monitor speakers.

What is IPS monitors?

A lot of Monitors state the have x amount of USB ports but they say upstream and downstream. Not sure what that means


I know that I will develop more questions and the thread may get long but all your help is appreciated no matter what or how much you comment on.

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#893041 - 06/08/13 11:57 AM Re: Part 2: Computer Monitors??? [Re: GreyFuss]
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Sorry Jenny

I didn't see your post as I was still typing the above one.

Will check out the links
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#893044 - 06/08/13 12:04 PM Re: Part 2: Computer Monitors??? [Re: GreyFuss]
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I have a very old Nec... but I like it. One feature I have on the front is Not only a menu button but a Select 1/2 that I can switch from my XP to my win 98.
Guess I just have to read all the details on every monitor to find this feature on a new monitor???

Thanks for posting these GreyFuss.... lots of good info for us that have to update soon.
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#893155 - 06/08/13 07:38 PM Re: Part 2: Computer Monitors??? [Re: Winfrey]
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The only "relevant" comment I can make is that my LED monitor is fantastic and I would highly recommend one thumbsup
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#893161 - 06/08/13 08:07 PM Re: Part 2: Computer Monitors??? [Re: Mad]
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My father just purchased an led monitor . He stated the difference between led and lcd , to him , was akin to the difference between a dvd and blu ray .

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#893165 - 06/08/13 08:39 PM Re: Part 2: Computer Monitors??? [Re: GreyFuss]
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The last monitor I bought for myself was a Samsung Sync Master (LED) –and it's connected with an HDMI cable. HDMI cables a somewhat less intrusive than DVI, but other than that there's no difference video wise.

As to HDMI sound support, I don't use built in speakers, so I've always opted for a good external set. The sound quality of external speakers just can't be matched.

Your best bet is to visit your local electronics store (assuming you still have one in your area - they're getting to be a rare commodity) and compare them side by side. That's what led me to purchase the Samsung, it just looked much crisper that the others.

In the end, monitors (as well as other components) are a personal choice, just make sure you have adequate room for the size, and go with a top end brand.

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#893169 - 06/08/13 09:29 PM Re: Part 2: Computer Monitors??? [Re: GreyFuss]
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Are HD monitors any good for game playing or general computing? Or are they just for watching TV or Movies? My mind is boggled for all the info I have been reading. I can't get much information as to the preferred connection now a days. If DVI-D and HDMI are no different where does this new Display Port connection fall? What about DVI-D Dual Link is that the best of all?
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#893174 - 06/08/13 09:51 PM Re: Part 2: Computer Monitors??? [Re: GreyFuss]
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All I can tell you is that the best monitor you can get will be better for everything you do. My old eyes appreciate the quality of the display whether I am doing email, surfing or gaming.

I don't see a lot of difference between what you are going to see on your screen and all the different options you mention. From what I read, there are almost no devices on the market right now that support dual link DVI-D. I would go for a good DVI and VGA option to support your old computers.
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#893179 - 06/08/13 10:00 PM Re: Part 2: Computer Monitors??? [Re: GreyFuss]
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Originally Posted By: GreyFuss
If DVI-D and HDMI are no different where does this new Display Port connection fall?

It looks just the same as the other two to me.
My most recent monitor has DVI, HDMI, and a Display port, and they all look equally good.

Be sure to get a monitor with at least 16.7 million colors. The difference between 16 million and 16.7 million colors may be subtle, but you'll probably notice it.

When they say a monitor is an LED, they're referring to the backlight. Older LCD monitors used a fluorescent backlight (CCFL).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CCFL
It's not a choice between LED and LCD.
It's a choice between an LED or CCFL backlight.

You can read about IPS at Wikipedia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-IPS#In-Plane_Switching_.28IPS.29
Either S-IPS or S-PVA would be acceptable alternatives to IPS and have some advantages described in the Wikipedia article.

I wouldn't get a TN display. Even if the colors are acceptable, they tend to have poor viewing angles -- especially vertically.
The Wikipedia article explains more.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-IPS#In-Plane_Switching_.28IPS.29

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#893181 - 06/08/13 10:23 PM Re: Part 2: Computer Monitors??? [Re: GreyFuss]
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cry cry cry So much info

So staying away from a TN monitor what is the best...IPS?

Quote:
Be sure to get a monitor with at least 16.7 million colors. The difference between 16 million and 16.7 million colors may be subtle, but you'll probably notice it.

Good advice and written down...thank you


Edited by GreyFuss (06/08/13 10:29 PM)
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#893188 - 06/08/13 10:54 PM Re: Part 2: Computer Monitors??? [Re: GreyFuss]
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Monitors capable of 16.7 milion colors are pretty much the norm anyhow , so no real need to worry there . Going to a brick and mortar store is a good idea when looking for a monitor , but in the end , more often than not , a monitor can be purchased cheaper online at places such as Newegg or Tiger Direct . Sales sometimes come in to play at places such as OfficeMax . Hdmi actually stands for High Definition Mutimedia Interface . Out of curiosity GreyFuss , will you retain your current keyboard and or mouse ? You could save some money if you decide to . Some keyboards and mice can get rather expensive . So can video cards and all the other parts you will need .

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#893191 - 06/08/13 11:21 PM Re: Part 2: Computer Monitors??? [Re: GreyFuss]
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Thanks, Creeping Doom. Had a minor brain drain there - that is indeed what HDMI means. Don't overthink this, Greyfuss... a really good monitor with all the features you want is going to be fine for you.
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#893195 - 06/09/13 12:11 AM Re: Part 2: Computer Monitors??? [Re: GreyFuss]
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Thanks Creeping-Doom for your input...

Draclvr, you know you are right... smirk

OK...let me throw this one at y`all and see what you think...Its quite new I think and there isn't much in the way of reviews or ratings at least I couldn't find much...Is it overboard? 1.07 Billion colors, AH-IPS, LED
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824260135

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#893197 - 06/09/13 12:40 AM Re: Part 2: Computer Monitors??? [Re: GreyFuss]
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That is one fine monitor! But I didn't see anything about VESA Mounting Compliance. Will it go on the wall like you wanted?

Wow, all this info! Coming to GameBoomers makes me smart. idea
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#893198 - 06/09/13 12:49 AM Re: Part 2: Computer Monitors??? [Re: GreyFuss]
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Gasp... I'm having a hard time getting past the price! Yes, it's VESA compatible - it's down toward the bottom in the Details tab.

This one has no VGA option, so connecting your old computers to this monitor either directly or through a KVM switch would be difficult.

You'll be needing a pretty beefy video card to get the most out of this monitor.
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#893245 - 06/09/13 09:31 AM Re: Part 2: Computer Monitors??? [Re: GreyFuss]
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Thanks for the input and opinion on this Dell. I was a bit concerned about this being so new that it didn't have much in the way of user reviews. It does look to have way over the specs of any other monitor and because of that it probably delivers one of the most vibrant colors. What I am most worried about it I can't find the word "gaming" in any article about this computer. The view reviews I read all said it was beautiful and the best monitor they ever bought but the reviewers said they were graphic artists or photographers. One bad review I read stated it was beautiful on still pictures but in gaming it had terrible ghosting on movement and he returned it. Think I will stay away from this as more reviews have to com into play. Plus Neweggs ad is wrong as it does not have built in speakers. It takes the Dell SoundBar for speakers. I do have 2 of those but.....

What do you think of this one released Sept 2012? Don't faint on the price Draclvr but look at all the connection choices including Dual Link DVI-D

http://www.reviewgist.com/specs/asus-pb278q
http://www.reviewgist.com/best-monitors

Am I going overboard?
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#893248 - 06/09/13 09:57 AM Re: Part 2: Computer Monitors??? [Re: GreyFuss]
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... Whew, sorry. Still picking myself up off the floor!

If you go for one of these very large - this one is 27 inches - high resolution monitors, your old computers may not have enough video card to work on them. As I said above, it's going to take a pretty beefy card to work on them. Hopefully Jenny or Inland will know more about this, but you might want to check into what video card/chips you have in the old computers if you still plan on using them with this monitor.

Another search you might try is "best monitors for gaming" keeping in mind that they are talking about shooters and RPGs. They do talk about some of the things you should look for in a gaming monitor. This article is from a year ago in PC Magazine.

The 8 Best Gaming Monitors

Here is another one for May 2013.

Best and Top Rated Monitors for PC Gaming

I agree with some of the other thoughts that you should go to a brick and mortar store and actually look at monitors. You won't get the best representation of colors etc. because of the lighting in these stores, but you can at least get a feeling for the differences.
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#893258 - 06/09/13 10:10 AM Re: Part 2: Computer Monitors??? [Re: GreyFuss]
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I will check out Best Buy but there aren't that many stores left and even then they don't seem to carry the models I am looking for.

You are probably right and I need to simplify my thinking and get my head out of the clouds.

One thing though is I have decided not to connect the Win98 to a new monitor as the games that I would use that for don't look good on an LCD so I would use my CRT monitor with that. So its just down to connecting one, maybe 2 XP computers and be able to switch the inputs. I too love the Logitech Unifying Mice and Keyboards. They are great except I hope they would make them so you could program them to more than one computer.

Head out of the clouds...check this out...the only problem is that I am not sure if this is a TN (Amazon says) or a TFT Active Matrix which it says in the review link. .

http://www.reviewgist.com/specs/asus-vg248qe
http://www.reviewgist.com/best-monitors

Isnt there a way to do a side by side comparison at Newegg or Amazon or somewhere between this model Asus and the one Draclvr linked to above? Asus VE248H ? I can't figure it out.



Edited by GreyFuss (06/09/13 11:42 AM)
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#893284 - 06/09/13 11:59 AM Re: Part 2: Computer Monitors??? [Re: GreyFuss]
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Originally Posted By: GreyFuss
One bad review I read stated it was beautiful on still pictures but in gaming it had terrible ghosting on movement and he returned it.

Keep in mind he was probably playing FPS-type games. If you're playing adventures, you may not see a problem. You'd have to use an adapter for the computer with the VGA (D-Sub) connection though.

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What do you think of this one released Sept 2012? Don't faint on the price Draclvr but look at all the connection choices including Dual Link DVI-D

http://www.reviewgist.com/specs/asus-pb278q
http://www.reviewgist.com/best-monitors

Well, it's got the VGA connection, so you wouldn't need an adapter with it.

Newegg seems to have this model with 98 user reviews -- so you might want to look through their reviews even if you don't buy it there.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236294

27" is nice. Remember you'll need a more powerful video card to drive the higher resolution than you would with the 24".

The closest I know to a side-by-side comparison is to open two Newegg webpages, one for
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236102
and one for
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236294
and use the "Details" tab on both of them.

The one you're looking at is obviously a better quality monitor. Better viewing angles, better overall brightness, larger monitor, etc. Other specs are better too. If it's what you want, go for it.

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#893303 - 06/09/13 01:41 PM Re: Part 2: Computer Monitors??? [Re: GreyFuss]
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Greyfuss, once you get Windows 7 you will be able to "snap" two windows open side by side by simply dragging them to the edges.

That Asus VE248H is actually on my "wish list" should my dear old ViewSonic ever croak. It's old, but it's fine for me. It gets very good reviews. You can always download the user manual if you want to learn more about how it works.
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#893317 - 06/09/13 02:53 PM Re: Part 2: Computer Monitors??? [Re: GreyFuss]
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What ever you decide on, if it's going to be a large monitor - make sure that video card is up to snuff (as has been stated before). Find one with the highest memory bandwidth and a minimum of 2GB of VRAM.

Something along the lines of GeForce GTX 670/680 would do well. If you plan to run multiple monitors, side by side, look at something like a GTX 690/780 w/4GB VRAM.

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#893323 - 06/09/13 03:16 PM Re: Part 2: Computer Monitors??? [Re: InlandAZ]
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The ram on a video card isn't quite as important , as the monitor's resolution and refresh rate . A card with 2gb or ram would be fine on a monitor with a 1920x1080 resolution . In actuality , even a card with 1.5gb or ram would be ok on a 1920x1080 monitor . Where higher ram on a video card really comes in to play , is on multiple monitor setups , or resolutions higher than 1920x1080 . Also , more graphic intensive games , such as rpg & fps games , are areas where 2gb or more would be beneficial . Do not limit to an Nvidia video card , as AMD also have some nice choices , & the performance difference between the two is mostly minimal at best.

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#893327 - 06/09/13 03:26 PM Re: Part 2: Computer Monitors??? [Re: GreyFuss]
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Large monitors do benefit from memory bandwidth, moving those textures across the bus requires a fairly wide lane. 2GB versus 1 GB is a personal thing, and you're right, for most Adventure Games 1 GB is sufficient. I have however played several games lately that definitely would chugged without the additional VRAM.

All of the higher end cards are fairly expensive though, we'll see what GreyFuss decides on.

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#893338 - 06/09/13 04:32 PM Re: Part 2: Computer Monitors??? [Re: InlandAZ]
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I play some fairly graphic intensive games myself . Right now , my most graphic intensive games are Witcher 2 , Crysis 3 , & Metro : Last Light . A shame that the top cards for both AMD & Nvidia are insanely expensive ( both the Nvivia Titan & AMD HD 7990 are $1000 each or more) . Having 2gb of ram on a video card would be pretty much future proof for adventures . That is , until the developers stop writing games based on dx9 . I am considering a card upgrade , from my gtx 590 classified to either gtx 690 sli or an hd 7970 crossfire setup . Interested to see what happens , GreyFuss !!

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#893339 - 06/09/13 04:47 PM Re: Part 2: Computer Monitors??? [Re: GreyFuss]
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I'm sure Greyfuss' new graphics card will be adequate for a large monitor, especially since he's backed off the 27" ones. What I'm wondering is if his graphics processors on the XP computer/s he wants to connect will be up to snuff. That's why I mentioned finding out what the graphics card was. Wisely, he has decided to use the old CRT monitor with his 98 computer.

My old GTX 260 could run my 22" ViewSonic monitor with a 1680 x 1050 resolution, but the nVidia nForce 610i IGP on my XP can also run it. I'm sure any new monitor will have way more pixels to push than this 4 year old monitor though.

My Superclocked 3 GB GTX 660Ti is rocking Witcher 2 and Metro Last Light at maximum settings without breaking a sweat. Loving it... Nvidia is giving away a code for Metro Last Light with the higher end cards. AMD might be too - didn't check into them. Almost pulled the trigger on a GTX 670, but Newegg put this EVGA 660Ti on sale for $10 off and EVGA had a $20 rebate, so had to go for this one.

EDIT: Forgot. Yes, you can use the Unifying receivers on more than one computer. You just have to set them up on each computer. I have to switch my little receiver between my 2 computers to use my keyboard. But you really should look into getting a KVM switch if you're thinking about connecting more than one computer to this monitor. You can use the same keyboard, monitor and mouse on multiple computers by simply tapping a key or pressing a button. I have separate mice for mine and just switch press a button on my monitor to switch from DVI to VGA.
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#893359 - 06/09/13 06:03 PM Re: Part 2: Computer Monitors??? [Re: Draclvr]
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Originally Posted By: Draclvr
I'm sure Greyfuss' new graphics card will be adequate for a large monitor, especially since he's backed off the 27" ones. What I'm wondering is if his graphics processors on the XP computer/s he wants to connect will be up to snuff. That's why I mentioned finding out what the graphics card was. Wisely, he has decided to use the old CRT monitor with his 98 computer.



That's why I run Virtual PC and VMware - either will play the classics, as well as many of the newer games. About the only thing that VPC won't run are those games that require 3D Acceleration, and the latest versions of VMware provide that.

Neither product is perfect, but they generally get the job done quite nicely.

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#893360 - 06/09/13 06:06 PM Re: Part 2: Computer Monitors??? [Re: GreyFuss]
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Originally Posted By: Draclvr
Yes, it's VESA compatible - it's down toward the bottom in the Details tab.

Ah, I see it now. Didn't catch that, and I even did a Find search. HA! Probably misspelled VESA. blush

Here's just a thought I had, GreyFuss. If you're trying to get a wonderful new monitor with all kinds of great features, would backing away from that goal in order to run it on an old XP computer be the best way to go? Are those XPs fairly decent computers?

Why not just use a second monitor more compatible with the older computers and let your new computer enjoy every feature in a monitor it can. If you're putting the new monitor on the wall, a flat screen monitor can sit back on your desk ready for the old XP computers when used. I think once you get your super computer, you'll be spending very little time on those older computers. I would! Most games that ran on XP will run on Win 7.

Why make a decision about a new monitor based on old machines? Just my 2 cents. think
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#893363 - 06/09/13 06:45 PM Re: Part 2: Computer Monitors??? [Re: GreyFuss]
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VERY good point, lanlynk.
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#893395 - 06/09/13 09:56 PM Re: Part 2: Computer Monitors??? [Re: GreyFuss]
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@ Jenny100
* Very beneficial links and suggestions, thank you

@ Draclvr
* Great idea about taking a look at the manual, why didn’t I think of that?
* Glad you brought it up, the XP’s are both Dell’s XPS 410 Nvidia GeForce 8600GT & Dimension 8300 Nvidia GeForce 7600GS
* No more KVM switches for me, burned through my second one which was very good a short time ago. Plus there seems to be some lag and maybe picture degradation too. Thats why a direct hook up is where I want to go.

@ InlandAZ
* Thanks for the info about the video card and a new monitor. Duly noted.
* Using the CRT with the 98se is the only way to go with the oldies. LCD’s just can’t touch what the CRT does with the low resolution (Thanks to Jenny100)

@ lanlynk
* Don’t know why you got the idea that I was buying a new monitor based on the old XP machines. In fact it quite the opposite.an investment for the future. Hope the new one will last as long as the one I have now. I have heard that the LED’s do last longer.

@ Creeping_Doom
Thanks so much for your input. Graphic cards will probably be covered in Part 3



OK...GreyFuss's new computer Part 2 is decided. New Monitor will be ASUS VG248QE 24-Inch Screen LED Monitor

To go along with Part 1's conclusion that the OS will be Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit.

Thanks for everyone's input. I am really learning a lot with you continued help. I think we are past the hard parts so on to the meat and potato’s.........

Part 3 of "GreyFuss's new computer" will come in a new thread soon smile
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#893399 - 06/09/13 10:14 PM Re: Part 2: Computer Monitors??? [Re: GreyFuss]
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I think we were all under the impression that you wanted to hook up at least one of your old computers to this new monitor. There was then some discussion of old video cards not being able to run one of these high end monitors. We were all trying to address any problems you might have encountered when you hooked up a low end video card to a new monitor and it wouldn't work. I think that was lanlynk's point - limiting your choice of monitor to the limitations of the old computers.

You will only be able to connect one of the old computers to the new monitor through the available VGA interface. You would need a KVM to connect more than one of the old computers. I've had IOGear KVM switches last for years.

Well, onward and upward to Part 3!
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#893416 - 06/09/13 11:37 PM Re: Part 2: Computer Monitors??? [Re: Draclvr]
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I have a Belkin KVM that links my Win98, WinXP and Win7 machines and allows me to use a mixture of very ancient mouse and keyboard with a mixture of very new everything else thumbsup
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#893457 - 06/10/13 09:07 AM Re: Part 2: Computer Monitors??? [Re: GreyFuss]
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Even if you were to get a monitor with 2560 x 1440 resolution (or some other extremely high resolution), there's no law saying you have to run it at that resolution. If the video card in your older computer can't handle resolutions that high, just choose a lower one. As long as it's a widescreen resolution it should look OK, even if it's not as sharp as the native resolution. Full screen resolutions will look stretched on a widescreen monitor. You're not going to find many adventure games that use extremely high resolutions anyway. Most will default to a lower resolution than your desktop resolution when you start the game.

It sounds like you're going to be using your CRT for your older computers, but if something happened to the CRT, you could still use the newer monitor with your old computers. Of course you'd need an adapter for any video card that only has D-Sub connections since the VG248QE has no D-Sub (VGA) port. But the pictures of the Geforce 7600 and 8600 that I found all had at least one DVI port.

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#893475 - 06/10/13 10:20 AM Re: Part 2: Computer Monitors??? [Re: GreyFuss]
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By the way, Greyfuss, good choice on the monitor. I did notice the pictures indicated that a VGA cable was the only one shipped with it which was strange since it doesn't have a VGA port. But the Details tab and comments by other users say a 5' DVI-D cable is what is included.
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#893482 - 06/10/13 10:51 AM Re: Part 2: Computer Monitors??? [Re: GreyFuss]
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Thank you Draclvr, I couldn't have made the decision without all the help, suggestions and input I receive here.

According to the manual, which looks to be generic for all the ASUS VG248 Series, contents include a Power Cord, DVI (Dual Link) Cable and Audio Cable. Thanks for bringing it to my attention so I could double check. The DVI cable will surely be used for the new computer to take advantage of all the features if I choose. I am pretty sure I saw somewhere that there is an HDMI to DVI cable or adaptor that I would use for the one of the XP's. I wonder if there is a Display Port converter also....hmmm more research.



EDIT:

Yes they do...hurray Display Port to VGA Convertor
So along with This HDMI to DVI Convertor I should be able to hook up the 3 computers to the display....right?


Edited by GreyFuss (06/10/13 10:59 AM)
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#893486 - 06/10/13 11:07 AM Re: Part 2: Computer Monitors??? [Re: GreyFuss]
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I don't see why not...
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#893488 - 06/10/13 11:14 AM Re: Part 2: Computer Monitors??? [Re: Draclvr]
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I don't see why not...


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Jenny100
thanks for bringing up the older Graphic cards. Changing the resolutions, thats good to know. I had thought that the 7600 had only a VGA connection but upon checking after I read your post I do see it has both, VGA & DVI. So a DVI to Display Port Adaptor would work. Love it!
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