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#921356 - 10/30/13 01:41 PM Re: Sorta's On going Neighborhood Saga [Re: Sorta Blonde]
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#921645 - 10/31/13 01:07 PM Re: Sorta's On going Neighborhood Saga [Re: Draclvr]
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It's better that then figure out where all the fire trucks will park and whose home will be saved first.
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#921659 - 10/31/13 02:15 PM Re: Sorta's On going Neighborhood Saga [Re: Sorta Blonde]
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I wonder what would happen if you pepper sprayed any surface the bad guys might touch?
It would be interesting to find out.

Not that I'm vicious or anything. grin

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#921663 - 10/31/13 02:32 PM Re: Sorta's On going Neighborhood Saga [Re: Sorta Blonde]
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You hit the nail on the head Homer! I can just see the other houses catching (although this neighborhood has pretty good sized yards),there are lots of trees and open areas behind every house that would catch in an instant. Very scary to think about.

My best thoughts are that the Snake (who is trying to profit from this guy's woes) and was sure he would get all his 'goodies' is going to get less and less each time the place is looted. I hope 'they' take it all and then Snake and company will be very unhappy.

Nobody can go in there, no action around there since the Hazmat team posted and taped it. Just a sad empty house with nobody who cares.

Moral of the story is: Don't live alone without any good friends and with nobody in your own family who you will allow to speak to you. You might end up like this guy. Estranged family, nobody cares a bit about him (because of his whatever grudge he carries) and no close friends that he would ever let into his house. Except of course the 'caretaker' who knew of the hoarding, took care of the guy, made sure his cars ran, made sure he got to and from places he needed to go, found him after 3 days lying on the floor with nobody around and saved his life, and then got pushed out of the picture by a con man pseudo friend who only saw dollar signs. The old guy couldn't stick up for the 'caretaker' who was supposed to get an old Pinto car he had been working on for years. So everything goes to people who could care less.

Terrible to be without friends who would do something for you when you really needed it. Lesson learned. Make plans, leave a will or at least 'wishes' in case of injury, etc. It gets to me how awful this whole thing turned out. AND it's still not over.

I'll update if the news crew gets here. Gotta convince the 2 people who did the most to buy into my plan. Looking forward to something good being done to resolve this stupidity. Nothing like lights and cameras to get a neighborhood in gear. rotfl
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#921878 - 11/01/13 01:31 PM Re: Sorta's On going Neighborhood Saga [Re: Sorta Blonde]
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Cameras do get people excited, especially those who don't want to be on camera. I've a feeling the guy you call snake will be one of those who might like to find a hole to hide in when/if the cameras appear.
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#922126 - 11/02/13 10:00 PM Re: Sorta's On going Neighborhood Saga [Re: Sorta Blonde]
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Hi Sorta,

It's been a while since I've checked on my GB friends. Then I saw your posting and have read thru it. I kept thinking of what a blight that property as well as the people involved are to the neighborhood. So I agree with the others that it's time to call out the cavalry and make some noise. All that bed chemical stuff has got to or soon will be permeating the air. You won't need to be inside to be harmed by it. In fact, please be careful about going near it. If hazmat is going in there, why don't they have a barricade to keep people like 15 feet away from it. The more you share, the more I'm scared for you.

This reminds me of what happened with my Mom's ranch townhome, about an hour from where I live which just sold this past August, 3 years almost to the day she died. My youngest sister who's in charge of my Mom's estate got the place in impeccably clean condition. My Mom was fastidious with cleaning but that went to the wayside when hospice and family coming and going the last 3 weeks of her life.

After having it on the market for over a year, we decided to rent it with the option to buy after a year. Estate funds were being eaten up by taxes. Although we didn't care for the people who wanted to rent it, there were no other offers so we accepted and they signed the contract. BEfore that they woudln't let us into their current living quarters, a small apartment. That left us very skeptical but, as I said, we had little choice. When they moved in, they brought their 2 dogs. They never mentioned they had any dogs. Within the year they were in my Mom's home, they filed for bankrupcy without telling. When we pushed to find out if they had applied for a home buyer's loan, that's when they revealed that little item.

Finally, we had an offer which depending on the place being cleaned up. An order of eviction was written up but the renters kept avoiding the sheriff. He couldn't get to them to enforce the notice. The realtor had a friend meet her there and she told the renters she needed 5 minutes to give a client an idea of the layout of the house The minute she was inside, she handed over the eviction notice.

When the renters finally got all their stuff out of my Mom's house, my sister went back and took pictures most of which she didn't show me of how they'd trashed the place. Never picked up after the dogs, so much stuff in the master bedroom's walk in closet that a wall was cracked and they drove their car into the wall fo the garage partly knocking down the wall shared by the half-bath After the closing of the house, the attys urged my sister to consider sueing the rentors for $10,000 estate funds spent to make the house livable. My sister and I agreed that it wasn't worth our sanity to try to get money from people who don't have any. Plus, we figured the atty's were pushing just to get a few more bucks out of hte deal for themselves.

I know my situation wasn't anywhere near as bad as yours Sorta. It was more of a pain in the rear than anything else. Yet it did cause a lot of emotional trauma. I share my store mostly to warn you the adventure may be just beginning. Esp since the estate person is apathetic to the reality of the situation becuase she has control of it, it might be a bit of a fight to get a decent spotlight on the situation.

Call and alert everybody and anybody with any authority. Even the attorney general. Nothing could hurt. Sooner or later, somebody's gotta pay attention. If you have a possible ticking bomb there, so to speak, does it have to explode before they take you seriously!

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#922229 - 11/03/13 11:27 AM Re: Sorta's On going Neighborhood Saga [Re: Sorta Blonde]
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Woweee Butterflybabe! I can feel the anguish and painful memories from here. Ohhhhh! Renters can be horrible. I've told my story of a bad renter on here somewhere. Cost me $8000. bucks of rehab and many sleepless nights. It bothers me to this day and it's been TEN years. Lesson learned about checking on prospective renters.

You brought up some good ideas. If the two people nearest the old guy (the caretaker and his ex gal) won't act then I think it's time for the city to get involved. They have some newish laws about abandoned houses (which kids use for drinking/drug parties, etc.) They force the owners to clean up or demolish the place. So far, from the outside the place is neat, but the inside is a major hoard just like you see on TV. Awful.

As for the 'hazards'. It's dangerous, but not to casual contact. I've been 'counseled' by the Hazmat guy (who goes in without any protection now) that things won't leak out, the inside is pretty safe unless you spend a load of time in there with it all shut tight. He's just afraid someone cleaning it out or looking at it to buy will trip over or find something they can't see yet under all that STUFF. Just being careful. He has that yellow, Caution Tape, all over the place and signs on every door (very official notices) about not going in or taking anything out. Scary looking. But the thieves still enter the garage and so far not the house which has bars. It's only a matter of time I fear.

Most danger is from someone setting fire to the place and at this point, I'm rooting for the 'bad guys'. Old guy in nursing home won't see or benefit from a penny of what is being sold and nobody really cares about him except us neighbors, and nobody will allow US to do anything legal.

We tried Adult Protective Services when all this started and they listened, but did nothing. Everyone has called the police at each break-in and they did nothing, even when they saw the door completely off and things piled outside ready to take. Can you imagine a police department like that? I lost confidence in them.

The caretaker guy contacted the guy's niece, but she lives across the country and has only come here twice to look around and list the place for sale. Didn't want anyone's help (of all those who are closest to the situation). She's still resisting Hazmat so this place will sit empty.

I'm going to check back with the caretaker and see if he followed up on my suggestions. Maybe he has some good news.

Such a mess. And the worst part, is it happens all over. People not caring for others or their property (your house in point).

Something will eventually clear all this up, just got to find the right 'incident' or 'person'. We do have a state rep who lives around here and holds 'open meetings' in a house up the block every so often. I might go to the next one and voice my concerns. He seems to want to help 'his' neighborhood. Might be worth a try.

I'd be so much better if the old guy hadn't asked ME and a few other neighbors to watch over his place for him as they dragged him off to the hospital. Oh well. Praying for something good to happen out of all this.

Thanks for your story butterflybabe. I know I suffer among friends! hearts
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#923602 - 11/10/13 02:03 AM Re: Sorta's On going Neighborhood Saga [Re: Sorta Blonde]
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The sad part is that the old guy who used to live there, Sorta, is a nobody. If the place were owned by someone with money, it would get attention. Or if it was disovered that a celebrity used to live there years ago, I bet the media would have to play with that one. 'THis property once owned by the Kennedy Family has been found in horrendous condition, etc, etc. Gee, anybody famous in this guy's background? Might be worth a diligent hunt or could be a complete waste of time.

Hope things get better or at least more comfortable for your peace of mind soon!

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#923674 - 11/10/13 12:46 PM Re: Sorta's On going Neighborhood Saga [Re: Sorta Blonde]
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Unfortunately, this guy caused his own troubles. He was a grumpy old man (even in his younger years). I met him about a week after I moved in in 1978. Our first meeting was after my hubby and I had rescued a lost and famished poodle and tied it (used a new collar and leash I'd had stored)to our front fence under a shady tree with food and water.

We went out to get some dog food (only had cat) and when we came back, the dog was gone and the old guy stomped across the street, yelled at me for leaving the dog tied to our fence and made me not like him immediately. He did however, adopt that dog and had it for many years. He wasn't all bad.

Then after all the drama of the head injury, etc. we found out the story of his life. He estranged himself from his entire family (2 brothers, a sister, several nieces and nephews) because he had given his brother a gun collection to 'sell' for him and never got the money. Uhhuh. Simple as that. He refused to speak to anyone in his entire family ever again, moved out here from the East and lived alone (except for the younger guy who I call the caretaker). Was engaged once, never dated again, never had visitors, no kids, nobody to care.

Such a sad story for a guy who was not a bad guy. He had friends 'outside' his house. Went down to the local coffee shop every weekend. Caretaker took him to the swap meets and lots of casinos. That was his life. Gambling (which netted him a jackpot of 150k!) and swap meets where he built up his 'hoard' in the house.

Now the hoarded house is locked up tight, caution tape all over from Hazmat, and the only person who came to handle things, his niece, refuses to do anything about the Hazmat requests. House is up for sale, but nobody can show it until Hazmat clears it. It's stuck in a major loop and nobody has any idea when this will all be over.

Right now, nothing is happening over there. The break-ins seem to have stopped (or I'm just not seeing them). We are is stasis.

Never be without friends and and relatives and someone 'close' who will look out for you if you can't do it for yourself. Lesson learned.
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#923678 - 11/10/13 01:02 PM Re: Sorta's On going Neighborhood Saga [Re: Sorta Blonde]
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Sorta, it is sad when one has no one in their life who loves them for who they are instead of what they can get.
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#923680 - 11/10/13 01:09 PM Re: Sorta's On going Neighborhood Saga [Re: Sorta Blonde]
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Yup L4L, that's what bothers me the most. Nobody cares except for his possessions and the money they can get from his house. Now with this Hazmat thing, they are getting nothing and if Hazmat 'condemns' the house, it will be a total loss all around. It will be demolished and carted away. I'm really expecting that to happen. I can feel it. Horrible situation all because of a 'family feud'. Frank isn't a bad guy, just didn't think he might some day need someone.

I'm all for Karma getting back at the Snake and his kids and friends for swooping in and 'looting' what they could. Makes me smile just thinking about it.
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#924073 - 11/12/13 09:34 AM Re: Sorta's On going Neighborhood Saga [Re: Sorta Blonde]
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#924094 - 11/12/13 11:33 AM Re: Sorta's On going Neighborhood Saga [Re: Sorta Blonde]
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Eeeeek, my10...
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#924100 - 11/12/13 11:55 AM Re: Sorta's On going Neighborhood Saga [Re: Sorta Blonde]
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Exactly what is going on in that house my10rugrats! Wow! The Hazmat guy told me it was about a gallon of mercury that was in the 'container' and the gal spilled just a bit of it. Can't tell how much because she was rather vague about it all since she felt stupid and embarrassed.

I'll bet that's why he had all that mercury in the first place. He was a watch and clock repair guy and collected the thousands of clocks in his house and garage and sheds. Probably had it to repair weights. Makes so much sense now.

Hazmat said exposure is dangerous in a closed hot environment, but is easily cleaned (with normal household stuff) IF you know how. AND you can track it all over on your shoes (which should be bagged and tossed along with all cleaning rags etc. Carpet has to be cut out, wood or other floors can be cleaned.

That mercury is the main reason the house is locked up tight. Hazmat guy says if the gal and her helper didn't show any signs by now that they are fine.

Thanks for finding that article. My 83 year old neighbor gal will now find out why he had SO MUCH mercury in the house. We've all been wondering about the amount they found. Neat.
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#924105 - 11/12/13 12:18 PM Re: Sorta's On going Neighborhood Saga [Re: Sorta Blonde]
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What a story!! thanks so much for sharing with us parts of your oh so interesting life, Sorta!!!
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