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#94575 - 06/20/00 03:02 PM Re: 2000 A list with a twist
Witchen Offline
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Hey, flotsam! Thanks a lot for the spot-check. We'll be looking forward to the final tally!

Love, Witchen =O)

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#94576 - 06/22/00 03:49 PM Re: 2000 A list with a twist
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Hi,
Just so as everyone is on the same time line, I will post summaries Monday morning, which is 72 hours from now.
You can work out what that equates to where you are from the the time indicated on this post.

flotsam
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#94577 - 06/22/00 04:19 PM Re: 2000 A list with a twist
Becky Offline
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Flotsam -- How hard is it going to be for people hoping to buy some of the highly rated older games to actually find them? I'm thinking in particular of Timelapse and Obsidian, although even Legacy of Time on CD is getting hard to find.

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#94578 - 06/22/00 11:41 PM Re: 2000 A list with a twist
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Becky,

If you don't mind them used, you can try www.gametz.com - though most people trade games, some sell them. Always worth a try and you'll find alot of older games available.

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#94579 - 06/25/00 02:50 PM Re: 2000 A list with a twist
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Hi,
The summaries of this thread appear below. First you have to suffer through an explanation and a comment.
Some respondents recommended series, or pairs of games, as a single recommendation. Others used separate recommendations for different games in a series.
The most prominent of these (ie recommended more than others) were the Gabriel Knight, Tex Murphy, Broken Sword and Monkey Island series, and the Myst/Riven pairing. Other series included Zork and Journeyman Project.
In consolidating the lists, I had to decide what to do.
If I recorded one vote for each game in the series, this effectively meant more than 10 recommendations for those respondents. It also meant that by comparison, those that recommended separate games in a series got less than 10 votes. An extreme example was Muppet, who used 6 recommendations to vote for 3 GK games, and 3 MI games. Some voted for those same games using 2 recommendations.
If I ignored the series votes, then everyone that recommended a series got less than 10 votes. Further, they might have preferred certain games in the series (or indeed all of them) to remain on their list ahead of other games.
The purest solution would have been to get everyone who voted for a series to re-vote, but this was supposed to be fun, not a trip to the dentist to have teeth pulled.
So, on the basis that everyone here is friends, and as we are recommending games to others not voting on the Nobel prize, I did both.
There are 3 separate list posts below. One is a list with the series votes included, another with them excluded. The third is an alphabetical list of all games indicating both results – if there is a number in brackets after the name, that is the total vote for that game including series votes .
You will see that it did not alter the overall result too much. Myst and Riven remained first and second whichever way you did it, and Timelapse remained third. The top 10 remained pretty much the same, and games with 10 or more votes increased by five. Beyond that in depth analysis, the alphabetical list will show the impact.
I hope this is acceptable to all.
The comment follows separately.

flotsam
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#94580 - 06/25/00 02:51 PM Re: 2000 A list with a twist
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Hi,
The three lists below are the outcome of this thread. The aim was to have adventure players recommend games to other adventure players, or would-be players.
105 games (give or take a Zork) were recommended, and 57 people responded.
It needs to be stressed that ALL the games here were recommended by at least one person as being amongst their top games to play. It is not a list of best to worst games of all time. Tastes will vary, but if a game is on this list, someone thought it was worth recommending to others to play. On that basis, there are no duds.
A more detailed explanation of the “rules” and rationale is at the very first post. The explanation for the three lists appears in the post above this one.
Happy playing.

flotsam
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#94581 - 06/25/00 02:57 PM Re: 2000 A list with a twist
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(this list excludes series votes)


30 Myst
26 Riven
25 Timelapse
20 GK 2: The Beast Within
20 Grim Fandango
20 Zork Nemesis
18 Amber
18 Lighthouse
18 Shivers
16 Zork Grand Inquisitor
15 Sanitarium
14 Morpheus
13 JP 3: Legacy of Time
13 The Longest Journey
13 Obsidian
12 Black Dahlia
10 Circle of Blood
10 Curse of Monkey Island
8 Amerzone
8 Atlantis 2
8 Day of the Tentacle
8 GK 3: Blood of the Sacred, Blood of the Damned
6 GK 1: Sins of the Fathers
6 JP 2: Buried in Time
6 Tex Murphy: Pandora Directive
5 Byzantine
5 Full Throttle
5 Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis
5 The Neverhood
5 Sam and Max Hit the Road
4 Beyond Time
4 Blade Runner
4 Callahan’s Crosstime Saloon
4 Faust
4 Feeble Files
4 Last Express
4 Monkey Island 2
4 Outcast
4 Rama
4 7th Guest
4 Tex Murphy: Under a Killing Moon
3 Bad Mojo
3 Blackstone Chronicles
3 Broken Sword 2
3 Monkey Island 1
3 Reah

2 Atlantis, The Crystal Key, Cydonia/Lightbringer, The Dig, Dracula Resurrection, Drowned God, Kings Quest 7, Loom, Qin, The Quivering, Riddle of Master Liu, Ring, Sherlock Holmes: Case of the Rose Tattoo, Toonstruck,

1 The Arrival, Beneath a Steel Sky, Burn: Cycle, Dark Eye, Dark Side of the Moon, Discworld, Discworld 2, Dust, Fatal Illusion, Forgotten, Goblins 1, 2 + 3, Jewels of the Oracle, Laura Bow 1 + 2, Legend of Lotus Spring, Nightlong, Nile: An Ancient Egyptian Quest, Normality, Pandora’s Box, Phantasmagoria, Return to Zork, Ripper, Sherlock Holmes: The Case of the Serrated Scalpel, Simon the Sorcerer 1, Shivers 2, SPQR, Temujin, Titanic, Tomb Raider: The Last Revelation, Traitors Gate, Woodruff and Schnibble, X-Files, Zak McKracken and the Alien Mind Benders
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#94582 - 06/25/00 03:00 PM Re: 2000 A list with a twist
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(this list includes series votes)


38 Myst
34 Riven
25 Timelapse
24 GK 2: The Beast Within
22 Zork Nemesis
20 Grim Fandango
19 Shivers
18 Amber
18 Lighthouse
18 Zork Grand Inquisitor
16 Curse of Monkey Island
16 JP 3: Legacy of Time
15 Sanitarium
14 Circle of Blood
14 Morpheus
13 The Longest Journey
13 Obsidian
13 Tex Murphy: Pandora Directive
12 Black Dahlia
12 GK 3: Blood of the Sacred, Blood of the Damned
11 Tex Murphy: Under a Killing Moon
10 GK 1: Sins of the Fathers
9 JP 2: Buried in Time
9 Monkey Island 2
8 Amerzone
8 Atlantis 2
8 Day of the Tentacle
8 Monkey Island 1
7 Broken Sword 2
7 Tex Murphy 1, 2 and 5
5 Byzantine
5 Full Throttle
5 Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis
5 The Neverhood
5 Sam and Max Hit the Road
4 Beyond Time
4 Blade Runner
4 Callahan’s Crosstime Saloon
4 Faust
4 Feeble Files
4 Last Express
4 Outcast
4 Rama
4 7th Guest
3 Bad Mojo
3 Blackstone Chronicles
3 Discworld
3 Discworld 2
3 JP 1
3 Kings Quest 7
3 Reah
3 Simon the Sorcerer 1

2 Atlantis, The Crystal Key, Cydonia/Lightbringer, Discworld Noir, The Dig, Dracula Resurrection, Drowned God, Kings Quest 5 + 6, Legend of Kyrandia series, Loom
Qin, The Quivering, Riddle of Master Liu, Return to Zork, Ring, Sherlock Holmes: Case of the Rose Tattoo, Shivers 2, Toonstruck, Simon the Sorcerer 2

1 The Arrival, Beneath a Steel Sky, Burn: Cycle, Dark Eye, Dark Side of the Moon, Dust, Fatal Illusion, Forgotten, Goblins 1, 2 + 3, Jewels of the Oracle, Laura Bow 1 + 2, Legend of Lotus Spring, Nightlong, Nile: An Ancient Egyptian Quest, Normality, Pandora’s Box, Phantasmagoria, Ripper, Sherlock Holmes: The Case of the Serrated Scalpel, SPQR, Temujin, Titanic, Tomb Raider: The Last Revelation, Traitors Gate, Woodruff and Schnibble, X-Files, Zak McKracken and the Alien Mind Benders, Zorks (the others)
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#94583 - 06/25/00 03:03 PM Re: 2000 A list with a twist
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(This is a complete alphabetical list of all games recommended. A number in brackets after the game is the total including series votes. An asterix indicates it is available for the Mac).


18 Amber
8 * Amerzone
1 * The Arrival
2 * Atlantis
8 Atlantis 2
3 * Bad Mojo
1 Beneath a Steel Sky
4 Beyond Time
12 Black Dahlia
3 Blackstone Chronicles
4 Blade Runner
3 Broken Sword 2 (7)
1 * Burn: Cycle
5 Byzantine
4 Callahan’s Crosstime Saloon
10 * Circle of Blood (14)
2 * Crystal Key
10 * Curse of Monkey Island (16)
2 Cydonia/Lightbringer
1 * Dark Eye
1 Dark Side of the Moon
8 * Day of the Tentacle
2 * Dig, The
1 Discworld (3)
1 Discworld 2 (3)
0 Discworld Noir (2)
2 * Dracula Resurrection
2 Drowned God
1 * Dust
1 Fatal Illusion
4 Faust
4 Feeble Files
1 * Forgotten
5 * Full Throttle
6 * GK 1: Sins of the Fathers (10)
20 * GK 2: The Beast Within (24)
8 * GK 3: Blood of the Sacred, Blood of the Damned (12)
0 Goblins 1, 2 + 3 (1)
20 Grim Fandango
5 * Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis
1 * Jewels of the Oracle
0 * JP 1 (3)
6 * JP 2: Buried in Time (9)
13 * JP 3: Legacy of Time (16)
0 * Kings Quest 5 + 6 (2)
2 * Kings Quest 7 (3)
4 * Last Express
1 Laura Bow 1
1 Laura Bow 2
0 * Legend of Kyrandia 1, 2 + 3 (2)
1 * Legend of Lotus Spring
18 * Lighthouse
2 * Loom
13 Longest Journey, The
3 * Monkey Island 1 (8)
4 * Monkey Island 2 (9)
14 * Morpheus
30 * Myst (38)
5 Neverhood, The
1 Nightlong
1 Nile: An Ancient Egyptian Quest
1 Normality
13 * Obsidian
4 Outcast
1 Pandora’s Box
1 * Phantasmagoria
2 * Qin
2 Quivering, The
4 * Rama
3 Reah
1 * Return to Zork
2 * Riddle of Master Liu
2 Ring
1 * Ripper
26 * Riven (34)
5 * Sam and Max Hit the Road
15 Sanitarium
4 * 7th Guest
1 * Sherlock Holmes: The Case of the Serrated Scalpel
2 * Sherlock Holmes: Case of the Rose Tattoo
18 * Shivers (19)
1 Shivers 2 (2)
1 Simon the Sorcerer 1 (3)
0 Simon the Sorcerer 2 (2)
1 * SPQR
1 Temujin
6 Tex Murphy: Pandora Directive (13)
4 * Tex Murphy: Under a Killing Moon (11)
0 Tex Murphy 1,2 and 5 (7)
25 * Timelapse
1 * Titanic
1 * Tomb Raider: The Last Revelation
2 Toonstruck
1 * Traitors Gate
1 Woodruff and Schnibble
1 * X-Files
1 Zak McKracken and the Alien Mind Benders
16 Zork Grand Inquisitor (18)
20 * Zork Nemesis (22)
0 * Zorks others (1)


[This message has been edited by flotsam (edited 06-25-2000).]
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#94584 - 06/25/00 03:18 PM Re: 2000 A list with a twist
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Hi,
My apologies if the lists are slightly hard to read. All my nice formatting disappeared when I cut and pasted. I will have a play with the editing to see if I can make it a bit less "messy".

flotsam
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#94585 - 06/25/00 03:41 PM Re: 2000 A list with a twist
MacDee Offline
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Registered: 06/06/99
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WOW!

Lots of work went into that. Thanks so much flotsam....

I find it very interesting that older games are amongst the top......

~Dee

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