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#94979 - 06/19/04 11:03 AM Re: 2004 List twist again...
looney4labs Offline
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I am looking forward to it Flotsam---

Moving is such a pain, but it will be nice having your own bathroom laugh

I would love to move to some land if Scotty could beam my house and its contents out of it's present location and down to acreage laugh
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#94980 - 06/19/04 05:08 PM Re: 2004 List twist again...
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I will never move. I can't face having to clean up the garage.

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#94981 - 06/19/04 06:17 PM Re: 2004 List twist again...
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A little bit early as a surprise (and cos I have a big real life day smile . Nearly 100 participants, and almost 200 games recommended. Its always fun and its always a pleasure.

Some final observations. Newish games picked up votes, no doubt as more people played them, which meant some games had to suffer. Notable in this respect were Zork Nemesis and Amber, which had their totals more than halved. It doesn’t mean they are any less good in their own right of course.

Some older games also notably picked up their recommendations. Lighthouse and Sanitarium were two such games, the latter no doubt benefiting from being re-released.

Good games of course just keep on keeping on. GK2, Myst, Riven and Grim Fandango were all in the top 5 in our original list and are still thereabouts this time.

Freeware games made an appearance for the first time, and some essentially backyard offerings (some of which did get commercial releases) did well, Dark Fall being the obvious standout.

50 games were mentioned that weren’t mentioned last year, many new but some quite old. Beneath a Steel Sky and Flight of the Amazon Queen were two of the latter.

Finally, there is a new top game, the 4th in 5 years, recommended by about 2/3 of all participants.

As always there is a numerical and an alphabetical list. I have taken some liberties with names to get series games together on the alphabetical list, and because of some personal foibles - I refuse to call the Schizm games Mysterious Journey 1 and 2. Errors are all my own.

And as I say every year, there are no losers here. Every game on this list made at least one participants top 15 recommendations.

Happy playing happydance


68 Syberia
64 The Longest Journey
56 Dark Fall
48 Grim Fandango
42 Myst 2: Riven
41 Myst/RealMyst
38 Sanitarium
37 Gabriel Knight 2: The Beast Within
37 Syberia 2
36 Myst 3: Exile
35 Broken Sword 1: Shadow of the Templars/Circle of Blood
34 Black Mirror
30 Zork Grand Inquisitor
24 Amerzone
24 Gabriel Knight 3: Blood of the Sacred, Blood of the Damned
24 Timelapse
22 Monkey Island 3: Curse of Monkey Island
22 Morpheus
22 Obsidian
22 Shivers
21 Riddle of the Sphinx: An Egyptian Adventure
20 Blackstone Chronicles
20 Broken Sword 2: The Smoking Mirror
18 Atlantis 2
18 Lighthouse
18 Zork Nemesis
17 Neverhood
17 Tex Murphy: Pandora Directive
16 Discworld Noir
16 Black Dahlia
16 Gabriel Knight 1: Sins of the Fathers
16 Myst: Uru
16 Runaway
16 Schizm: Mysterious Journey
14 Broken Sword 3: The Sleeping Dragon
13 Journeyman Project 3: Legacy of Time
12 Amber: Journeys Beyond
12 Faust
12 Monkey Island 1: The Secret of Monkey Island
12 Phantasmagoria
12 Schizm 2: Chameleon
11 Day of the Tentacle
10 Post Mortem
10 Tex Murphy: Under a Killing Moon
9 Discworld
8 Byzantine: The Betrayal
8 Discworld 2: Missing Presumed..?
8 RHEM
7 Journey to the Centre of the Earth
7 Last Express, The
7 Tex Murphy: Overseer
6 Atlantis 3
6 Bad Mojo
6 Dracula Resurrection
6 Monkey Island 2: Le Chuck’s Revenge
6 Nancy Drew: Ghost Dogs of Moon Lake
6 Riddle of the Sphinx 2: The Omega Stone
6 Sherlock Holmes: Case of the Rose Tattoo
6 Shivers 2: Harvest of Souls
5 Arthurs Knights 1: Tales of Chivalry
5 Callahans Crosstime Saloon
5 Dark Side of the Moon
5 Dig, The
5 Dracula: The Last Sanctuary
5 Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis
5 Jack the Ripper
5 Journeyman Project 2: Buried in Time
5 Kings Quest 6: Heir Today, Gone Tomorrow
5 Kings Quest 7: The Princeless Bride
5 Monkey Island 4: Escape from Monkey Island
5 Nancy Drew: Message in a Haunted Mansion
5 Salaambo
5 Sam and Max Hit the Road
5 Simon the Sorcerer
4 7th Guest
4 Blade Runner
4 Deathgate
4 Eric the Unready
4 Full Throttle
4 Nightlong: Union City Conspiracy
4 Ripper
4 Temujin
3 Arrival, The
3 Bioscopia
3 Cameron Files: Loch Ness
3 Crystal Key 2: The Far Realm
3 Cydonia/Lightbringer
3 Dark Eye
3 Egypt 3: The Egyptian Prophecy
3 Harvest
3 I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream
3 Messenger/Louvre; The Final Curse
3 Nancy Drew: Treasure in the Royal Tower
3 Nancy Drew: Danger on Deception Island
3 Phantasmagoria 2: Puzzle of Flesh
3 Physicus
3. Pilgrim 2: Legend of the Prophet and the Assassin
3 Reah
3 Simon the Sorcerer 2
3 Starship Titanic
3. Stupid Invaders
3 Titanic: Adventure out of Time
3 Tony Tough and the Night of the Roasted Moths
3 Toonstruck
3 Zork: Return to Zork

2 11th Hour, A Quiet Weekend in Capri, Alida, Atlantis: The Lost Tales, Beneath a Steel Sky, Cassandra Galleries, Chemicus, Chronomaster, Clue Chronicles: Fatal Illusion, Connections: It’s a Mind Game, Conspiracies, Crystal Key, CSI, Duckman, Dust, Forgotten: It Begins, Hitchcock: The Final Cut, Inherent Evil, Legend of Kyrandia 1: Fables and Fiends, Legend of Kyrandia 2: The Hand of Fate, Loom, Nancy Drew: The Final Scene, Pepper’s Adventures in Time, Pilgrim, Rama, Road to India, Sherlock Holmes: Curse of the Mummy, Traitors Gate, The Watchmaker, Zak Mackracken and the Alien Mind Benders, Zanzarah

1 A Case of the Crabs, Ace Ventura, Ark of Time, Arthurs Knights 2: Secrets of Merlin, Azrael’s Tear, Bad Milk, Beyond Time, Ceremony of Innocence, Comer, Crystal Skull, Cult, Dark Fall 2, Deep Space 9: Harbinger, Dragonsphere, Dragon Riders of Pern, Dreamweb, Ecoquest: The Search for Cetus, Egypt 2: The Heliopolis Prophecy, Feeble Files, Flight of the Amazon Queen, Freddy Pharkas, Frontier Pharmacist, Gast, Gateway, Gilbert Goodmate and the Mushroom of Phungoria, Ghosts, Isabelle, Jack Orlando, Jazz and Faust, Law and Order: Double or Nothing, Liesure Suit Larry 5: Passionate Patti Does a Little Undercover Work, Liesure Suit Larry 7: Love for Sail!, Maniac Mansion, Monty Python and the Quest for the Holy Grail, Mystery of the Druids, Nancy Drew: Stay Tuned for Danger, Nancy Drew: The Scarlet Hand, Outcast, Pandora’s Box, Pleurghberg: Dark Ages, Quest for Glory 1: So You Want to be a Hero, Quest for Glory 3: The Wages of War, Quest for Glory 4: Shadows of Darkness, Realms of the Haunting, Rent-a-Hero, Riddle of Master Liu, Robin Hood: Conquests of the Longbow, Secrets of the Luxor, Shadow of Destiny/Shadow of Memories, Space Bar, Space Quest 5: The Next Mutation, Torins Passage, Touche: The Adventures of the Fifth Musketeer, Twinsun’s Odyssey, Uninvited, Uru Live, Versailles, X Files, Zero Critical
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#94982 - 06/19/04 06:19 PM Re: 2004 List twist again...
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4 7th Guest
2 11th Hour
1 A Case of the Crabs
2 A Quiet Weekend in Capri
1 Ace Ventura
2 Alida
12 Amber: Journeys Beyond
24 Amerzone
1 Ark of Time
3 Arrival, The
5 Arthurs Knights 1: Tales of Chivalry
1 Arthurs Knights 2: Secrets of Merlin
2 Atlantis: The Lost Tales
18 Atlantis 2
6 Atlantis 3
1 Azrael’s Tear
1 Bad Milk
6 Bad Mojo
2 Beneath a Steel Sky
1 Beyond Time
3 Bioscopia
16 Black Dahlia
34 Black Mirror
20 Blackstone Chronicles
4 Blade Runner
35 Broken Sword 1: Shadow of the Templars/Circle of Blood
20 Broken Sword 2: The Smoking Mirror
14 Broken Sword 3: The Sleeping Dragon
8 Byzantine: The Betrayal
5 Callahans Crosstime Saloon
3 Cameron Files: Loch Ness
2 Cassandra Galleries
1 Ceremony of Innocence
2 Chemicus
2 Chronomaster
2 Clue Chronicles: Fatal Illusion
1 Comer
2 Connections: It’s a Mind Game
2 Conspiracies
2 Crystal Key
3 Crystal Key 2: The Far Realm
1 Crystal Skull
2 CSI
1 Cult
3 Cydonia/Lightbringer
3 Dark Eye
56 Dark Fall
1 Dark Fall 2
5 Dark Side of the Moon
11 Day of the Tentacle
4 Deathgate
1 Deep Space 9: Harbinger
5 Dig, The
9 Discworld
8 Discworld 2: Missing Presumed..?
16 Discworld Noir
1 Dragonsphere
1 Dragon Riders of Pern
6 Dracula Resurrection
5 Dracula: The Last Sanctuary
1 Dreamweb
2 Duckman
2 Dust
1 Ecoquest: The Search for Cetus
1 Egypt 2: The Heliopolis Prophecy
3 Egypt 3: The Egyptian Prophecy
4 Eric the Unready
12 Faust
1 Feeble Files
1 Flight of the Amazon Queen
2 Forgotten: It Begins
1 Freddy Pharkas, Frontier Pharmacist
4 Full Throttle
16 Gabriel Knight 1: Sins of the Fathers
37 Gabriel Knight 2: The Beast Within
24 Gabriel Knight 3: Blood of the Sacred, Blood of the Damned
1 Gast
1 Gateway
1 Gilbert Goodmate and the Mushroom of Phungoria
1 Ghosts
48 Grim Fandango
3 Harvest
2 Hitchcock: The Final Cut
3 I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream
5 Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis
2 Inherent Evil
1 Isabelle
5 Jack the Ripper
1 Jack Orlando
1 Jazz and Faust
5 Journeyman Project 2: Buried in Time
13 Journeyman Project 3: Legacy of Time
7 Journey to the Centre of the Earth
5 Kings Quest 6: Heir Today, Gone Tomorrow
5 Kings Quest 7: The Princeless Bride
7 Last Express, The
1 Law and Order: Double or Nothing
2 Legend of Kyrandia 1: Fables and Fiends
2 Legend of Kyrandia 2: The Hand of Fate
1 Liesure Suit Larry 5: Passionate Patti Does a Little Undercover Work
1 Liesure Suit Larry 7: Love for Sail!
18 Lighthouse
64 Longest Journey, The
2 Loom
1 Maniac Mansion
3 Messenger/Louvre; The Final Curse
12 Monkey Island 1: The Secret of Monkey Island
6 Monkey Island 2: Le Chuck’s Revenge
22 Monkey Island 3: Curse of Monkey Island
5 Monkey Island 4: Escape from Monkey Island
22 Morpheus
1 Monty Python and the Quest for the Holy Grail
41 Myst/RealMyst
42 Myst 2: Riven
36 Myst 3: Exile
16 Myst: Uru
1 Mystery of the Druids
1 Nancy Drew: Stay Tuned for Danger
3 Nancy Drew: Treasure in the Royal Tower
5 Nancy Drew: Message in a Haunted Mansion
2 Nancy Drew: The Final Scene
1 Nancy Drew: The Scarlet Hand
6 Nancy Drew: Ghost Dogs of Moon Lake
3 Nancy Drew: Danger on Deception Island
17 Neverhood
4 Nightlong: Union City Conspiracy
22 Obsidian
1 Outcast
1 Pandora’s Box
2 Pepper’s Adventures in Time
12 Phantasmagoria
3 Phantasmagoria 2: Puzzle of Flesh
3 Physicus
2 Pilgrim
3 Pilgrim 2: Legend of the Prophet and the Assassin
1 Pleurghberg: Dark Ages
10 Post Mortem
1 Quest for Glory 1: So You Want to be a Hero
1 Quest for Glory 3: The Wages of War
1 Quest for Glory 4: Shadows of Darkness
2 Rama
3 Reah
1 Realms of the Haunting
1 Rent-a-Hero
8 RHEM
1 Riddle of Master Liu
21 Riddle of the Sphinx: An Egyptian Adventure
6 Riddle of the Sphinx 2: The Omega Stone
4 Ripper
2 Road to India
1 Robin Hood: Conquests of the Longbow
16 Runaway
5 Salaambo
5 Sam and Max Hit the Road
38 Sanitarium
16 Schizm: Mysterious Journey
12 Schizm 2: Chameleon
1 Secrets of the Luxor
1 Shadow of Destiny/Shadow of Memories
6 Sherlock Holmes: Case of the Rose Tattoo
2 Sherlock Holmes: Curse of the Mummy
22 Shivers
6 Shivers 2: Harvest of Souls
5 Simon the Sorcerer
3 Simon the Sorcerer 2
1 Space Bar
1 Space Quest 5: The Next Mutation
3 Starship Titanic
3 Stupid Invaders
68 Syberia
37 Syberia 2
4 Temujin
10 Tex Murphy: Under a Killing Moon
17 Tex Murphy: Pandora Directive
7 Tex Murphy: Overseer
24 Timelapse
3 Titanic: Adventure out of Time
3 Tony Tough and the Night of the Roasted Moths
3 Toonstruck
1 Torins Passage
1 Touche: The Adventures of the Fifth Musketeer
2 Traitors Gate
1 Twinsun’s Odyssey
1 Uninvited
1 Uru Live
1 Versailles
2 Watchmaker, The
1 X Files
2 Zak Mackracken and the Alien Mind Benders
2 Zanzarah
1 Zero Critical
30 Zork Grand Inquisitor
18 Zork Nemesis
3 Zork: Return to Zork
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#94983 - 06/19/04 06:25 PM Re: 2004 List twist again...
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Thank you so much, Flotsam! Good luck with your move! thumbsup
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#94984 - 06/19/04 06:31 PM Re: 2004 List twist again...
looney4labs Offline
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Registered: 04/05/04
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#94985 - 06/19/04 07:10 PM Re: 2004 List twist again...
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Realms of the Haunting
System Shock 2
Thief: The Dark Project
Thief 2: The Metal Age
Thief 3: Deadly Shadows
Baldur's Gate
Baldur's Gate - Tales of the Sword Coast
Baldur's Gate 2 - Shadows of Amn
Baldur's Gate 2 - Throne of Bhaal
Fallout
Fallout 2
Half-life
Postal 2
Syndicate
Aliens vs Predator
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#94986 - 06/19/04 07:25 PM Re: 2004 List twist again...
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Umm excuse me for being a bit dense, but I didn't think Dark Fall 2 had been released yet... duh

Thanks for all your hard work Steve :kiss:
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#94987 - 06/19/04 07:36 PM Re: 2004 List twist again...
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Thanks So Much! :kiss:
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#94988 - 06/19/04 07:56 PM Re: 2004 List twist again...
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#94989 - 06/19/04 09:51 PM Re: 2004 List twist again...
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Thanks Arwen - I have made that change. I have left it as a Myst game though to group it with the others alphabetically.
Tig, as far as I know it hasn't been released but Laura voted for it. From anyone else I would have assumed it was an error, but I know she moves in lofty circles and thought she may have had a sneak peak.
If not, I will amend.
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#94990 - 06/19/04 10:02 PM Re: 2004 List twist again...
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Well, I did mean DarkFall 2, laugh

but since it hasn't been "released" yet - you can take away it's little 2 and make it DarkFall the first. But - it's going to be amazing....really.
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#94991 - 06/19/04 10:35 PM Re: 2004 List twist again...
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Good luck on your upcoming move.

wave Jema
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#94992 - 06/19/04 10:35 PM Re: 2004 List twist again...
flotsam Offline
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I believe you so lets leave it as is happydance
Did you get a peak??
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#94993 - 06/19/04 10:41 PM Re: 2004 List twist again...
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Well, Steve - come here and I'll tell you *whisper, whisper* laugh
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