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#960277 - 06/03/14 05:13 PM what's the deal with Steam?
nolalou Offline
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My new computer came with an app for Steam, which looks like a game sharing, downloading platform. I see some adventure games like Broken Sword 5 are on Steam (at least from a google search , it appears that way). Have any of you used it? Any advantage over any other site, like Gog.com ? I havn;t decided if I should create an account or not,

Thanks!

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#960279 - 06/03/14 05:35 PM Re: what's the deal with Steam? [Re: nolalou]
MaG Offline
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I use Steam a lot for newly released games but a lot of the members do not use it because they prefer DRM free games sites like GOG or ShinyLoot.
Since I do not use GOG - other members that use both can give you more comparisons.

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#960280 - 06/03/14 05:47 PM Re: what's the deal with Steam? [Re: nolalou]
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I don't have a problem with Steam either. wave
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#960285 - 06/03/14 06:43 PM Re: what's the deal with Steam? [Re: nolalou]
kjos Offline
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I use them all and never had any problems with any of them. I use steam a lot.
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#960288 - 06/03/14 07:10 PM Re: what's the deal with Steam? [Re: nolalou]
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I've been using Steam for a couple of years now (at least). It's never caused me any trouble. I do prefer the DRM-free nature of GOG, but all too many of the newest games aren't on there yet, and as a reviewer, I generally need access to the newer games wink

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#960290 - 06/03/14 07:11 PM Re: what's the deal with Steam? [Re: nolalou]
Pokey Offline
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Steam has some great game sales. There should be one coming up in June, so check it out. The prices on many of the games are amazingly low.

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#960293 - 06/03/14 07:30 PM Re: what's the deal with Steam? [Re: nolalou]
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You can read about Steam at the Wikipedia
Wikipedia article on Steam

It is not just a downloader. It's more of a management system for whatever software or games you buy on it. If you intend to use it, you should take time to read about how to use it -- how to use the offline mode, for example (unless you want it connecting to the Internet every time you play a game).
https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=3160-AGCB-2555&l=english

Some people like how Steam automatically patches your installed games by default, but this may not be convenient -- especially if you don't have a very fast Internet connection and by the time Steam downloads and installs a large patch you're out of time to play the game.

Read more about Steam on the Steam website. For example,
Steam Account information
https://support.steampowered.com/kb_cat.php?id=94

Knowledge Base
https://support.steampowered.com/kb_cat.php?id=3

Sometimes Steam has "exclusives" for a while, but most games eventually become available elsewhere. Check out the Steam catalog of games and see if there is anything there that you want, and that you can't find anywhere else.

I do not use Steam myself.
Some people find it convenient, but it's not for me.
I think you really have to do your own research and decide for yourself.

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#960299 - 06/03/14 08:57 PM Re: what's the deal with Steam? [Re: nolalou]
oldbroad Offline
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"you're out of time to play the game." What does this mean Jenny? I've not seen any time limits anywhere on Steam.

I actually like Steam. I have less trouble downloading from there than I do from GOG and Big Fish. I like Shiny Loot too but they don't have enough Adventure Games for me. Very good sales sometimes though.

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#960310 - 06/03/14 10:43 PM Re: what's the deal with Steam? [Re: nolalou]
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oldbroad, I believe Jenny means that if you have an hour free to play and Steam updates your game and you have a slow connection that your free time will be spent waiting for the update rather than gaming.

Ana wave
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#960314 - 06/03/14 11:39 PM Re: what's the deal with Steam? [Re: nolalou]
Pokey Offline
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Actually, if you right click on each game, you can set it to not do any updates. That is the way I have set my library up, especially when it is an older game or one I have already played and don't want to update. A brand new game might need an update. They may do an update even though the game is not set to update, but that is rare.

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#960330 - 06/04/14 04:29 AM Re: what's the deal with Steam? [Re: Pokey]
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Here are GOG's Terms of Service and here are Steam's.
You can judge for yourself which is clearest and most inspiring of trust.
As an aside, I found it interesting that GOG's can be copied and Steam's cannot.

Games from GOG are DRM-free.
There are an appreciable number of games on Steam that are not DRM-free, I gather, and some, like me, consider the Steam Client itself a form of Digital Rights Management (DRM).
This third party client stands between you and your games.
You must have it installed to download your games.
Not so GOG.
It is wholly up to you whether you use their downloader or not; it greatly increases the speed of your download but you can use your browser to download games if you'd rather.

I don't know how Steam treats their users since I am not one but I know that GOG listens to theirs and makes a concerted effort to be straight with them.
They themselves make old games, classic games playable on modern machines.
Steam does not.
If the publisher/developer doesn't do it, it doesn't get done.
Of course, that may not matter if you have no interest in games older than yesterday and want the newest games now, although the specific game you mentioned, nolalou, BS 5, is available on GOG and so are a number of other newer games.

Translating legalese is not my forte, but just from reading the two TOS, I'll say this: Steam's explicit warning that they take no responsibility for games which may include viruses or Trojans doesn't make me any more tempted to make use of their service.
Having been a member of GOG since early 2010, I feel fairly safe in saying that GOG makes sure nothing of the sort is ever included in a game they sell.

In the end, it's up to you.
Some people use both, some prefer one over the other.
I prefer dealing with people who are gamers and actually care about gamers.
I use GOG.

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#960385 - 06/04/14 09:35 AM Re: what's the deal with Steam? [Re: traveler]
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I only use Steam if I can't get a particular game anywhere else and I'm absolutely desperate to get it !! rolleyes

However, I use GOG all the time. I really like GOG. For me it's so much easier and non-interfering to use.
And I can always put a game from them onto a disk - which is something I much appreciate laugh
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#960395 - 06/04/14 10:06 AM Re: what's the deal with Steam? [Re: oldbroad]
Jenny100 Offline
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Originally Posted By: oldbroad
"you're out of time to play the game." What does this mean Jenny? I've not seen any time limits anywhere on Steam.


Originally Posted By: BrownEyedTigre
oldbroad, I believe Jenny means that if you have an hour free to play and Steam updates your game and you have a slow connection that your free time will be spent waiting for the update rather than gaming.

Ana is correct. Some patches can be quite large, which is an issue for those with slow connections where it may take an hour or more to download and install the patch. It is especially bad if your playing time is limited. But even if it isn't, waiting around when you feel like playing isn't fun. Updates that invalidate your saves are another issue.

Originally Posted By: Pokey
Actually, if you right click on each game, you can set it to not do any updates.

You can configure Steam, but it's not set that way by default. That's why I said that a new user should take time to read about how to use Steam. Using Steam is not as simple as using a site where you simply download a game and install it.

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They may do an update even though the game is not set to update, but that is rare.

I was not aware that Steam would ignore your settings like that. Does that only happen with multiplayer games or does it apply to single player games too?

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#960517 - 06/04/14 08:21 PM Re: what's the deal with Steam? [Re: nolalou]
Pokey Offline
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Registered: 06/01/99
Posts: 5495
Loc: California
I'm not sure why it happens. I read on a board that it has happened to others. I believe it only happened to me once, so no big problem. It is annoying to have games you have already played be updated while you are waiting to play, so I make sure they are all set to prevent updating.

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#960530 - 06/04/14 09:11 PM Re: what's the deal with Steam? [Re: nolalou]
oldbroad Offline
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Registered: 04/01/06
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Loc: Chicago
Thank you Ana and Jenny100 for clarifying that. I have not yet encountered that issue but I can certainly see how annoying it will be when I do.

Traveler - I do not find the GOG downloader to be any faster than the IE browser downloader (if that is what is being used if I'm not selecting something else?). For me it takes about an hour per GB to download with either of those downloaders or the BF or my MSN Explorer downloader.

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