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Re: Gothic Series .. Order of Play ?? [Re: Mad] #972879
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Hi Mad smile

After you do the jobs for Lord Andre, he'll let you see Lord Hagan. Hagen will send you to the Valley of Mines to get proof of the existence of the dragons. You'll get teleporter runes as you go along.

Who did you become an apprentice with? I usually go with Bosper, the bowmaker, because the easiest for me.


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Hi Barb smile

I have met Lord Hagen and been given the quest to go to the Valley of Mines but I'm trying to boost my stats as much as possible before I set off .... because I'm a wimp !! lol
[Then if I make it alive out of the mines I will have to give up my temporary allegiance to the Thieves or I won't be able to become a Paladin.]

And yes. I, too, chose to be apprenticed to the bowman Bosper as I read that his monetary rewards were likely to be the most beneficial throughout the game laugh

I am finding Gothic to be a great series and I'm so glad you Darksiders recommended it !!

Cheers.

Mad happydance


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Mad, the valley of the mines looks very imposing at first, but it is possible to get to the castle without having to fight any orcs, and there are a lot of them. Scope out the area and you will probably find a fairly easy way in.

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Ghorim in the Sect Camp won't speak to me. When I speak to him he stands up then sits down again. I can't progress in this camp unless he gives me his quest. I need only one more baal's approval and this quest would trigger it. Has anyone else experienced this glitch? I don't really want to join this camp anyway but I still want to do as many quests as possible for the experience.

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Thanks, Pokey. I'll do some "scopin" then laugh

Rowan ....
There were quite a few "mysterious" occasions in the Sect Camp where characters wouldn't interact with me properly and I couldn't complete certain areas - but I never found out why woozy

[I can only assume I must have done something beforehand that somehow upset the equilibrium - but you're not likely to have done that !!]


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Re: Gothic Series .. Order of Play ?? [Re: Mad] #973084
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I think it is a glitch, Mad. Years ago when I played this I played from disk and didn't have this problem. Now I'm playing the GOG version and don't know if it is properly updated. Just an observation. My logbook also states that I failed all 3 admission to camp quests which doesn't make sense because I have been accepted into the castle and am looting them out of spite. snicker

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Hi Rowan smile

I bought my Gothics 1, 2 & 3 in a two disk "collection" from Amazon uk.
And I'm playing them on my Win7 machine although the blurb doesn't give it as compatible.
[I don't think Win7 was even invented when these disks were produced.]
But no.1 played fine and no.2 is also playing fine. Just got the rare odd crash with both.

I definitely did experience glitches in Gothic 1 at the Sect camp - although only the ones I mentioned and not what you are describing ....

I'd be surprised though if GOG hasn't fully tweaked the game. I thought they normally did ?? duh


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Re: Gothic Series .. Order of Play ?? [Re: Mad] #973441
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Well, I went through the gate and onto the route that would take me to the valley of Mines - and I did find the "alternative" route.
BUT after using it, and meeting Jergan, it was pitch black night and even with a light spell or torch I couldn't see where the heck to go eek
So after many, many failed attempts to find a way into the castle, and despite reading walkthroughs and even watching one on YouTube, I just put God Mode on and ran for it redface

Finally I did get in and poked around - and thankfully I can now teleport there in the future.

I'm definitely not wealthy enough, well enough equipped or even strong enough to investigate the mines amidst all the Orcs though so I think I'll have to go back to civilisation and better myself .... always assuming I can survive getting back there in one piece.

And then return by teleport to continue "castle" adventuring rolleyes


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Re: Gothic Series .. Order of Play ?? [Re: Mad] #973485
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The Valley of Mines is fun, isn't it? I like that they used the same map as the original Gothic for the Valley of Mines. I always wait around until it gets light before I run for the castle. Using god-mode isn't a bad idea, either lol

That teleport rune to the castle is VERY useful. there's another one - As you come out of the mine from Khorinis,up the hill to the left, across the bridge, there's a rune that will take you back to that spot. Since you have to go back & forth a lot, that will help you.


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luck wave


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Thanks looney4labs smile

And thank you, too, Barb, for the tip about that other teleport stone. I'll have to try and make sure I find it !! yes

Although I won't have as much "play" time over the next few sweeks as real life "stuff" will be interfering !!!! rolleyes


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Mad, real life is pesky like that. I hope it is as fun as Gothic is wave


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Thanks, again, looney4labs .... But ....

Phew !! Either I'm not doing something right or the difficulty level for the Valley of the Mines has been ramped up no end !! shocked

Or then, again, it could just be that I am still a combat wimp laugh

But whatever, I have a feeling this part is going to take me a loooooong time to get through eek


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Re: Gothic Series .. Valley of the Mines .. Recent Post .. Aggghhhh !! [Re: Mad] #973671
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This is a tough area, but once you make it to the castle you'll probably have gained lots of exp points.

Hint:
Click to reveal..
Stay clear of the Orcs for now. At the bottom of the hill go left along the river, taking out the somewhat easier monsters (which will still have you running away) one at a time.


I think I'm quite ready for another adventure.
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Thanks very much for that tip, hagatha thumbsup
But I'm already in the castle, so do you mean I should use your tip when I venture out ??

Upto now, whenever I have actually ventured out, I've had to use God Mode to get back in again !! snicker

I just seem to be a magnet for Orcs scared


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Re: Gothic Series .. Valley of the Mines .. Recent Post .. Aggghhhh !! [Re: Mad] #973744
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Hagatha is right - keep away from the orcs for now. You did get the quest from Garond, didn't you? Work on that for now - run to the places you need to go without fighting. When you become a paladin, you'll get a spell that kills orcs easily.


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Yes, I got the quest, Barb, but I haven't had chance to play again yet to try and ..
Click to reveal..
find the mines

And last time I ventured out, everywhere I went there were Orcs !!

[I so hate running away all the time because I always panic and end up lost lol]


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Mad, sometimes when I run away from one enemy I run right into the mouth of another!

A question about Gothic 1: On the east side of the Old Camp where one of the focus stones was found, at the top of the ruin after jumping many ledges is a platform divided by a space. On the other side is a chest guarded by a troll. How do you get across the space? There is a column that is named but I can't seem to interact with it. I've tried bloodfly but I can't fly high enough to get over the space. Any ideas?

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Mad, a hint for Orc removal: you know that log you use to climb into the castle? The one that the Orcs can't climb? grin Have you got a bow of some sort?


I think I'm quite ready for another adventure.
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Rowan ..

The only way you can get to that chest is if you're trained in acrobatics - in which case you can just jump the gap. [That's what I did.]
Apparently it's a well known bug and the thought is that originally the developer intended for you to be able to knock down the column that's there and use it as a bridge but then changed his mind. However, he failed to put anything else in place !!

[But it's also well documented that the contents of the chest are so minimal it's not worth worrying about and not acquiring them doesn't affect the plot in any way - and I can confirm both as being true yes]

hagatha ..

Yes, I found that hint on the web today !! But thank you for mentioning it too.
So I could try that. But what's the betting I will keep falling off the log and get mashed anyway !! lol


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Mad, I've trained in acrobatics but I still keep falling down the chasm. I'm probably not using the keyboard right. Anyway, I just finished the Stranger quest. Now I'll go to the orc temple and do what I have to do there. I've already decimated the orc population there with my trusty bow from my vantage point on the mountain. Who needs an umululu when one has a bow? lol

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Hi Rowan smile

I didn't put many points into acrobatics at all - but I was able to jump across that gap.
And I did do the umululu quest in Gothic - but then I generally tend to do as many quests as I can to try and bolster my usually quite dreadfully feeble heroes redface

As for Orcs ??
Don't even mention 'em !! thumbsdown

Haven't had chance to play since my last post here and considering the speed you whizz through these games, you'll have finished Gothic and started and finished Gothic 2 as well before I've had chance to catch my breath shocked

Good on ya !!

Cheers.

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Update on Gothic 3. I finished it and talk about running around in the dark, this game tops the list. The only map is a world map which tells you next to nothing the quest list tells you things like go kill so and so but you have no idea where to go. I was always wondering where to go next other than to plunder and pillage towns and do tons of side quests, which also I had to guess where to go to finish them. If it wasn't for an invaluable site with help and Gamepressure I would have been completely lost.

As it was I got to the end and was supposed to have a particular scepter and didn't. I had been to the guy I was supposed to get it from and either it was a bug or player error (probably the latter) but I didn't have it and there was no way to get it. Fortunately there is a cheat in the game that allows you to get parts of the main quest that are needed so I was able to continue.

All in all not my favorite but I'm breathing a sigh of relief that it's finished. There are 3 paths you can go down in the game but I have no desire to play it again and go down any of the other two.

Incidentally for any who are familiar with Gothic 3 I chose the Path of the Rebels.

Now it's on to Gothic 4 which from playing part of the demo I think I will rather enjoy. I'm still looking at Risen 3 longingly, which is now available, but will wait until completion of Gothic 4 and hopefully a lower price.


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Thanks very much for your info, oldman, but sorry to hear Gothic 3 wasn't a good experience for you.
[I don't think it got rave reviews from many !! rolleyes]

But glad to hear you feel Gothic 4 will be more enjoyable.

After the sharp difficulty level rise in the Valley of the Mines section of Gothic 2 (with which I am at last getting to grips) I doubt I'll attempt the Night of the Raven version of it.
[I only play what I enjoy and won't drive myself to tackle a game "for the sake of it".]

But obviously I will give Gothics 3 & 4 a try to see how I do - before I form an opinion grin

Thanks again !! thumbsup


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Our opinions are interesting. I rather enjoyed Gothic 3 and Gothic 4 less. However, I'm still happy that I have all the games in the series.

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