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#971924 - 08/06/14 09:00 PM Computer shuts down on its own
Winfrey Offline
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Every now and then my computer shuts itself off..
I found this in the events log

The kernel power manager has initiated a shutdown transition

any idea what I can do to correct this?
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#971930 - 08/06/14 09:54 PM Re: Computer shuts down on its own [Re: Winfrey]
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#971931 - 08/06/14 09:56 PM Re: Computer shuts down on its own [Re: Winfrey]
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I don't know, Winfrey.
I did a Google search for that error message, and there seem to be a lot of theories about what can cause it. One person said the fan on his graphics card had stopped, causing the card to overheat and shut down the computer. Someone else decided it was a flaky power button on the computer case. So it seems like a lot of things can cause it.

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#971933 - 08/06/14 09:58 PM Re: Computer shuts down on its own [Re: Winfrey]
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I saw quite a few references to malware too. Be sure to run all your scans. This is on a Windows 8 computer.
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#971934 - 08/06/14 10:06 PM Re: Computer shuts down on its own [Re: Winfrey]
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thanks.. I will run malwarebytes again tonight... and I
5. Step
Uncheck the option Automatically restart
we will see if this helps
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#971939 - 08/06/14 10:59 PM Re: Computer shuts down on its own [Re: Winfrey]
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Winfrey,

You just had to start this thread to get symmetry with Volkana's thread where the computer starts itself.
wink

If this is a desktop computer, open it and make sure there is no accumulation of dust on any fans or heat sinks. Overheating will cause cpus to reduce clock rate and turn off if they get hot enough.
You can get programs that will monitor internal temperatures and keep logs.

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#972040 - 08/07/14 01:06 PM Re: Computer shuts down on its own [Re: Winfrey]
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Robert can you suggest a good monitor

computers new... right now I have CPUID hardware Monitor but it does not have logs... I am running about 6126 rpms right now. but I show a 337500 max... hmmmmm
now it dropped to 1500


Edited by Winfrey (08/07/14 01:08 PM)
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#972051 - 08/07/14 02:24 PM Re: Computer shuts down on its own [Re: Winfrey]
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Get the free Speccy from the same people who make CCleaner. I use it all the time...

http://www.piriform.com/speccy
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#972054 - 08/07/14 02:46 PM Re: Computer shuts down on its own [Re: Winfrey]
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ok, downloading it now...
I was getting strange values from my CPUID Monitor... deleted it and loaded the newer version and now have both yours and cpuid.. both showing the same 1225rpms ....will monitor this. Thanks


Edited by Winfrey (08/07/14 04:00 PM)
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#972067 - 08/07/14 04:42 PM Re: Computer shuts down on its own [Re: Winfrey]
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Don't worry about rpms... look at the temps. I don't think you have any issues with your hardware on this new computer, but it never hurts to check. Your case has some of the best cooling available.
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#972068 - 08/07/14 04:43 PM Re: Computer shuts down on its own [Re: Winfrey]
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Thanks... I'm kinda freaking out about this.. woozy
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#972086 - 08/07/14 08:12 PM Re: Computer shuts down on its own [Re: Winfrey]
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I saw a event log this evening stating that the computer could not come back from hibernate.. I don't have hibernate on. This is weird.
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#972111 - 08/08/14 03:05 AM Re: Computer shuts down on its own [Re: Winfrey]
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Being a new computer doesn't mean something wasn't installed correctly. So time ago I read an article talking about a CPU which wasn't installed correctly. There was a thermal goo which went under, or over the heat sink, I forget which, which hadn't been put on correctly. It seemed whoever slathered on the goo didn't put enough and the CPU was overheating, shutting down the computer.

I don't know if this is your problem, Winfrey, but it might be something to look into.
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#972145 - 08/08/14 08:03 AM Re: Computer shuts down on its own [Re: Winfrey]
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So would I have to open the computer? Would I be able to tell as I have never built a computer?
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#972150 - 08/08/14 09:56 AM Re: Computer shuts down on its own [Re: Winfrey]
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I wouldn't touch the computer or open it up. You might void the warranty. Something like that happened to my sister. I would call the warranty dept. Maybe they can help you beings they are the ones that built it.
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#972151 - 08/08/14 09:57 AM Re: Computer shuts down on its own [Re: Winfrey]
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Winfrey, while what Homer says is possible, I would put heat at the bottom of the list. This was built by eCollegePC and ONLY if you see temps out of the norm using Speccy should you worry about this. Like I said, don't look at the rpms... only the temps. What are your temps running at? Look at the CPU and the video card temps.

IF you see temps in the red, one thing you might do is open the side of the case and simply look inside to be sure all the fans are running. I can't remember how many you have, but it's quite a few. The fan on the CPU heatsink and the video care are the most critical. But don't worry about it unless you see temps in Speccy that are way too high.

You are going to see odd messages like in your event log now and then. I have them all the time. It's only when you can pinpoint exactly when your computer shut down on its own and relate an event log to what happened. It's going to show the shut-down event, but it's the events leading up to it that might tell you something.

You don't say, but has it shut down on its own since you removed that piece of potential malware?
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#972153 - 08/08/14 10:00 AM Re: Computer shuts down on its own [Re: Winfrey]
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I have Speccy up now and watching it. No the computer has not shut down yet... :-)
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#972157 - 08/08/14 10:24 AM Re: Computer shuts down on its own [Re: Winfrey]
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Originally Posted By: Winfrey
So would I have to open the computer? Would I be able to tell as I have never built a computer?

I wouldn't recommend checking thermal goop to someone who was unfamiliar with the insides of a computer. Even for a computer that was not under warranty.

Thermal goop goes under the heat sink, which has a fan on top.
There's no way of checking it without removing the heat sink, and then you'd need to reapply the goop. That can be tricky. You have to avoid bubbles, and use the right amount of goop. Too little and you get insufficient coverage. Too much and the goop oozes out from under the heat sink and gets on other stuff where it shouldn't be.

Many companies don't even use thermal goop unless you specifically request it.
Instead they use thermal pads that are easier to apply.

If you suspect a problem with your computer and it's under warranty, you probably want to contact their tech support. Homer6 may be right about the problem being related to processor cooling, especially if the computer does this while you're using it and it's not caused by sleep or hibernation settings. But I wouldn't recommend a newbie try to fix something like that themselves without supervision by someone familiar with applying thermal compound.

As Draclvr says, you can tell whether the processor is cooling properly by monitoring processor temperature.

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#972158 - 08/08/14 10:27 AM Re: Computer shuts down on its own [Re: Winfrey]
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Thanks Jenny I have an email into Ecollege. I am watching my temps with the Piriform Speccy right now... mostly staying between 35 and 40
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#972162 - 08/08/14 10:41 AM Re: Computer shuts down on its own [Re: Winfrey]
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That's perfect for a Core i7 CPU. Like I said, I don't think temperature is your problem. If it hasn't happened since you removed that potential malware, that could very well have been the problem. By far, the most common cause of this issue I found (after hardware problems) was malware.
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#972177 - 08/08/14 12:06 PM Re: Computer shuts down on its own [Re: Winfrey]
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Now what is interesting.. my Temps are 38..42. but I started a game.. call of Atlantis... and my fan starts to really kick in.. I click the windows button and go back to desktop and see that the temps have risen to 63?
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#972191 - 08/08/14 12:45 PM Re: Computer shuts down on its own [Re: Winfrey]
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That's EXACTLY what is supposed to happen. My video card and CPU temps can go even higher than that especially when playing an RPG or a shooter.
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#972192 - 08/08/14 12:48 PM Re: Computer shuts down on its own [Re: Winfrey]
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ok.. good to know, i'm going to stop worrying now and go ride my horse! monky
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#972207 - 08/08/14 02:43 PM Re: Computer shuts down on its own [Re: Winfrey]
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Riding your horse will make ALL your worries go away!
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#973933 - 08/18/14 10:38 AM Re: Computer shuts down on its own [Re: Winfrey]
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was getting errors like this; Page fault non page area found a link and tried this:


(these are system files, if you think they are corrupt you can use the system file checker to fix them.
start command as a admin
(windows key+x, then type A)

sfc.exe /scannow <----------this will check the system files for corruption and repair any found

if you get a message indicating that it can not be repaired, run this command
dism.exe /online /cleanup-image /restorehealth )



Nothing I tried ever worked. I did not try dism.exe restore health cause I am not sure what that does.
Mike at ecollege said turn off sleep. I did not want to do that but ended up turning off sleep. I used to like to let it sleep and turn it off on Sundays... but....
Since turning it off every night It has not crashed.... hmmmmmm


Edited by Winfrey (08/18/14 10:42 AM)
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#973999 - 08/18/14 08:30 PM Re: Computer shuts down on its own [Re: Winfrey]
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Winfrey....Is the computer shutting down like before?

I also would be concerned if a tech support person told you to turn off sleep on a brand new computer. duh That should not be an option on a new computer.
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#974136 - 08/19/14 08:38 PM Re: Computer shuts down on its own [Re: Winfrey]
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Yes Darleen I was never able to fix this problem. In googling this issue it seems like I am not alone.
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