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Re: Gothic Series .. Valley of the Mines .. Recent Post .. Aggghhhh !! [Re: Rowan] #974226
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Yes. Everyone has their own personal preferences - and that's how it should be laugh


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Re: Gothic Series .. Valley of the Mines .. Recent Post .. Aggghhhh !! [Re: Mad] #974382
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Finished Gothic 1 and saved the colony (even though the Old Camp wanted to kill me and the Water mages hated me for using their ore to make my magic sword). So much for gratitude. snicker

A question about Gothic 2: I have played Gothic 2 a lonooong time ago from disc. I also bought the gold edition from GOG which I have installed right now. How do I know if I am playing the basic game or the Night of the Raven? Or are the two entwined?

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The expansion is available through a specific location in the game after you've done certain quests. You can opt out of it altogether. But do try it. It's a fabulous expansion. You just have to wait until you're character is a bit more powerful.


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Re: Gothic Series .. Valley of the Mines .. Recent Post .. Aggghhhh !! [Re: hagatha] #974443
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In my set of disks, I have a separate one called "Gothic 2 Gold".

So I imagine an installation from that provides the option to play the Night of the Raven expansion as part of Gothic 2 - whereas the installation from the just plain "Gothic 2" disk (which is what I am currently playing) doesn't ??

However, not being anywhere near as competent in combat as you Veterans here on the Darkside, I am more than satisfied to be getting thrashed in plain old Gothic 2 !! lol


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Re: Gothic Series .. Valley of the Mines .. Recent Post .. Aggghhhh !! [Re: Mad] #974468
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There are slight changes from Gothic 2, a few new cutscenes when you first meet Xardas and a bit later when you see the wagon that was attacked by orcs. It is treated a bit different. You access the new area through mages, which I believe happens after you first enter the Valley of the Mines.

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So by playing from Gothic 2 Gold you automatically access Night of the Raven at some point?

Re: Gothic Series .. Valley of the Mines .. Recent Post .. Aggghhhh !! [Re: Rowan] #974632
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I'm pretty sure that's what will happen for you, Rowan smile

I'm just about to totally re-start Gothic 2, myself eek
I'm not much enjoying being a Paladin. I definitely prefer to fight more with weapons than use magic. So I've decided to re-play and choose the less "magical" option of being a Mercenary - the route I took in Gothic 1.
[I got by with little need for magic in that and managed very well.]

I've long ago written over all my early saves of course, so I reckon my best option is to start from the beginning again.
At least I'll know more what to expect and shouldn't take quite as long to cover the ground .... I hope !! lol



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Re: Gothic Series .. Valley of the Mines .. Recent Post .. Aggghhhh !! [Re: Mad] #974658
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Mad, are you going to replay the original Gothic 2 and not Night of the Raven? You will be missing a section of the game that I really enjoyed. I did not notice that it was any more difficult, especially since I've been through it before. I played as a Paladin but I sure appreciated having the fireball when I needed it.

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The only magic I use are scrolls. I rely on my bow and sword and lockpick. Since I haven't played Gothic 2 in a very long time I don't remember everything and it seems like a new game. A few situations appear familiar but then I always get myself in trouble anyway.

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That's the method I prefer, Rowan, and is how I played Gothic 1.
Anyway, I'm making good progress so far in my re-play and hope to continue doing so wink
And, of course, I hope you enjoy your replay of Gothic 2 a LOT !!

Pokey ....
I'm afraid I found The valley of Mines in Gothic 2 really, really difficult, so I have no doubt that the Night of the Raven version would do me in altogether !!

I'll be happy enough if I can enjoy and get to the end of this "ordinary" version lol


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Re: Gothic Series .. Valley of the Mines .. Recent Post .. Aggghhhh !! [Re: Mad] #974713
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I really think that the Valley of the Mines would be easier since you have played through it once. It was for me. I knew all the pathways and what I had to do.

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The expansion can be played at any point in the game after you have done the requisite things, so you can wait until your character is really strong before you go in. I didn't find the expansion too hard. It's big, and it's very good, very much worth playing. It would be a shame not to try it.

As always, Ranged Rules, but a little magic and swordplay never hurt, either.


I think I'm quite ready for another adventure.
Re: Gothic Series .. Valley of the Mines .. Recent Post .. Aggghhhh !! [Re: hagatha] #974981
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Thanks, Pokey and hagatha, for the encouragement thumbsup

Maybe I will try the Gold Edition of Gothic 2 in the future - but as I've already got pretty well into my second attempt of the original edition now, I don't want to start up again lol


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Re: Gothic Series .. Valley of the Mines .. Recent Post .. Aggghhhh !! [Re: Mad] #975767
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I finally joined the mercenaries. The Gothic 2 gold edition seems to be much harder than I remember from my original version. I still have trouble fighting many baddies but sheer stubbornness got me this far. Chapter 2 has just started but I am still going to finish up several Ch 1 side quests before I take a step through the mountain pass. wave

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Re: Gothic Series .. Valley of the Mines .. Recent Post .. Aggghhhh !! [Re: looney4labs] #975875
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Well done, Rowan, for getting to grips with the "Gold" version !! praise

I, too, am gearing up to be a Mercenary on this second attempt - as I didn't enjoy life too well as a Paladin on my first - but I am endeavouring to get myself into a much more capable character than I did last time before I venture anywhere near the Valley of Mines lol


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Re: Gothic Series .. Valley of the Mines .. Recent Post .. Aggghhhh !! [Re: Mad] #976221
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I think I am nearly ready to venture into THAT valley again scared scared scared


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Re: Gothic Series .. Valley of the Mines .. Recent Post .. Aggghhhh !! [Re: Mad] #976222
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Good luck, Mad. I'm doing the Night of the Raven first so I hope to get more experience points that way before entering the valley of the mines. But there are tough areas here, too. I haven't personally killed an orc yet but I've had the help of companion npc's who've killed some for me. Levelling up is slow process.

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You are much braver than I am, Rowan !! And luck to you !!

However, even though I like this series very much so far, there is no way I will re-start Gothic 2 for a third time. So, if I get badly stuck, it will be a temporary dose of God Mode for me to get me out of trouble lol


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Re: Gothic Series .. Valley of the Mines .. Recent Post .. Aggghhhh !! [Re: Mad] #976338
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I assume you have both tried SNEAK+BOW SKILL?

I always found that in Gothic it was not so much of an advantage to be a Big Bad. The coward's approach is always best. Stick an arrow in their backs, I say, and never mind the heroics.


I think I'm quite ready for another adventure.
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Yes, hagatha, I have both those skills and also am definitely in a better prepared state to enter The Valley this time than I was the last time.

But that won't stop panic setting in (for me, anyway) once I'm faced with millions of Orcs.
I just know the ability to make rational decisions will elude me !! rotfl


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Re: Gothic Series .. Valley of the Mines .. Recent Post .. Aggghhhh !! [Re: Mad] #976410
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Oh yeah. It always takes me ages to clear a field of Orcs. One at a time. Approach, get their attention, run like the blazes, wait till they give up, shoot a couple of arrows in the back. Rinse and repeat. Gets the job done. Especially handy if I can get to a high place they can't go...like the beam you use to walk up to the castle. Really makes them mad. They hang around roaring while you turn them into a pincushion.

It's only near the end of the game that I actually FIGHT them. grin


I think I'm quite ready for another adventure.
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Love my bow. I even sleep with it! rotfl

I can now kill snappers but I'm mincemeat for trolls, shadowbeasts, and Bulco at the merc camp. A single orc I can do with the hit and run method. I try to keep at least 1000 arrows in my inventory. Nothing more dreadful than being in the middle of nowhere with an empty quiver.

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Well, I made it over the pass and into the castle - and now have the first two teleport stones safely stowed away happydance

I didn't even "look" at any Orcs or anything else that wanted to fight !!
I went into tunnel vision mode, swam straight across the river and then ran like the dickens 'till I reached the ramp up into the castle.
Although hoards of things were running after me, of course wink

Going to have a BIG rest now though before I even consider venturing out again !! lol


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I'm tired and anxious just reading about all of that, Mad. laugh

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