I have done everything at the Bar and gone 'round to Jenny's apartment, found some stuff in the janitors room and tried Jenny's bell, told lies, she is 'uppitty' and tried again told more lies, and again and again and again - getting bored standing here in her hallway trying to figure out what I could have missed and why she won't talk to me (Nick) - anyone else have trouble here? What could I have missed, have checked my inventory and have the 3 pieces of gum and the CD and have talked til I'm blue in the face to the barkeep. HELP! Please
Love, Betty Lou

Try using some different conversation topics, Nick should act like he's a janitor, and then you should be able to talk to jenny...hope this helps

I figured it out - the first time I visited the Bar I got the CD, gum, a card, the drink coaster, and grabbed a hat (baseball cap) on my way out, but somewhere I got lost and had to replay the BAR and forgot to get the cap - the cap was the thing I needed to make me look like the janitor (to hide my face anyway) and I have gone on to Rania's house......thanks for the help.
Love, Betty Lou

Hi, I'm back.....could not get to the computer all day yesterday, everyone else here was on it all day. Anyway, I am a bit confused here - have those pieces of paper from the planters in Dania's apartment (boy, they sure were hard to find, like my looking for something in the morning without putting my glasses on {I am myopic, severe} and everything is so fuzzy but still have to get right up on top of it) - and I can't seem to figure out how to separate them in my inventory when I right click on them and they appear on my screen all in one pile...how do I make this puzzle work? Do I need to put them together like a jigsaw puzzle? HELP please
Love, Betty Lou

This was a tough one. I think you either left click and drag or right click and drag, to seperate the pieces. Then you hold down the ctrl key and left click and drag to rotate the pieces (sounds complicated, but not really). The puzzle in general was tough....hope this helps

That is an extremely difficult way to move puzzle pieces around and rotate them - and just how do I know if I have the 5 numbers in the correct order when the edges of the pieces do not match each other at all, no matter what order they are in?
Next - I have the paper-piece movement/rotation down OK (not great but I can make it work) but now how do I get to enter/type the numbers into the remote? I can pick it up and hold it, but my "x" movement cursor remains a ghost on or behind it and I cannot enter any numbers in it as I can't figure out how? Help again please...
Love, Betty Lou

Yes that remote was a pain too. I think you have to left click on it, then there should be a red outline around it. Then you should be able to push the numbers. This game certainly has its awkward controls....

Finally figured it out - see Con.TVRemotenumbers thread - now have made it to the Univ. and smoked out the receptionist but cannot figure out how to 'access' the files on her computer - can anyone help - that is if you aren't off somewhere watching football games all day? THANKS
Love, Betty Lou
P.S. Don't eat tooooooooo much! mmmmmm, what's in this dip? And what kind of pizza is that?

I got it! just need to type in the number of the item not the number and name or the name by itself - am happily on my way again - what's to drink today?

Well, I need some help now - I have finally after about a million tries, managed to climb up on top of the file cabinets and I have the foldup ruler in my inventory, but I cannot figure out how to retrieve that bottle on the top of the bookshelves no matter what I do - I can pick it up from inventory, but when I try to use it on the bottle I just end up dropping it - I can right click on it in inventory and it opens and I can hang onto it when the inventory closes but cannot find the right spot to use it on that bottle - is there a specific spot to use it to push the bottle to the floor? or am I doing something wrong?
Love, Betty Lou
P.S. who's playing today and who is winning?
Pass the chips please....Non-Fat of course

Thanks for that link Jenny - Yes my inventory I emptied before travelling back to the past, and the trick for this one is apparently to start with opening bottom right file drawer, then left 2nd drawer from bottom, then right 2nd from top and stepping up as you go so as to put one closer to the shelves - then open inventory, left click on ruler and use on bottle and it jumps to the inventory......thanks and now am on my way...
Love, Betty Lou

Question - I have the code, have accessed the computer and have read all Dr. P's files with the disc in the portable disc drive, but how do I know if I made a copy of those files from the computer hard drive to the disc? When I try to 'copy' during or after reading a file I get no reaction and have no idea if the 'copy' worked or not - <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="confused.gif" />

Has everyone gone to a celebratory dinner after the (football) game or something? How do I know I have succeeded in 'copy-ing' those files at Dr. P's? Want to know before I try to go on and have to go back and do it again if I didn't.....thanks
Love, Betty Lou

Betty Lou, I don't have the faintest idea! Why don't you just save at this point so you'll have something to go back to, if it doesn't work out...

Hi Betty,
I went back to check exactly what I did. On the page that has all the files on it, you will see copy below. Type copy at the top and click on execute. It will then say copying....6 files. When you click on the floppy in inventory, Nick will say it has a virus. Hope this helps.
Kay

And things were going along so well!----maybe too well?
I am back in Nick's in the present - have sorted through all my stuff on the floor and dumped into the trash what I can (means I don't need it) but when checking EVERYTHING on the floor I find I am missing the syringe and I see by skimming thru the w/t that I am going to need it later - have looked at my 'map' and Hapacom is no longer available to me to go back and get another one - I seem to recall that I used it (somewhere) but can't find out where from my notes or the w/t - have started as a NEW player and am keeping better track of what I have and where I am at - I know I had the syringe and ether so what could have happened to it? Or can anyone else figure it out - did anyone else have something disappear from inventory on them?
Love, Betty Lou

Well, I am back on track - have replayed as NEW player and am now attempting to 'feed' my gray rubber duck to those 'monster' dogs.....
I still wonder what ever happened in my first game to that silly syringe - could not figure out what happened to it...
Love, Betty Lou

Hi Betty,
Glad you are back on track. I lost a couple of things because they fell to the floor instead of going back in inventory. I had to check my saves to find out when I had it last, then I went hunting. That is probably what happened to you. Good Luck!
Kay

Thanks Kay. I never thought about the possibility of my having dropped it accidently - BUT I had 'dropped' some items at other places deliberately to make room in my inventory and when I went back to get those items and take them home I never found the syringe - mmmmmmm, now I wonder just where the heck that darn thing is - oh, well, I have progressed up to trying to outsmart those two electronic robot dogs and have a couple of clues just how to do it when I get back into the game later....today is another grocery shopping day for us and we will be outa here in a little while...thanks again
Love, Betty Lou

I hate to tell you this, Betty Lou, but you will need that syringe to deal with those dogs...

That's OK Jenny, as I started the game over as a NEW player and made sure the second time around that I kept track of the stuff I already knew I would need. And I solved the pesky problem of those nasty electronic dogs and just how does one 'toss' a water filled rubber duck at them and survive? I found out that by holding down the CTRL key when you 'drop' the duck it does not drop at your feet but 'flies' further away from you right were you want it to go.......Hip Hip Hooray for me and everyone else who got so frustratingly stuck here - got 'eaten' by those dogs so many times that I wanted to cry...but days ago I figured out that whilst waiting for the slow loading scenes in this game, I might as well crochet another row or two on my "Chuck's hats for Chemo" so that is what I do to keep calm - have now finished 39 hats for Chemo patients and one for each of my family members (hubby does not want one) besides and have started two more......onward and upward....
Love, Betty Lou

Congratulations on your success, Betty Lou, and thanks for passing on that tip about tossing the duck...

Hey Jen, question for ya (and anyone else who has played this game and done this bit) - I 'climbed up that girder and saw through the window the cut scene' but cannot figure out how to climb up there AND grab the wire cutters - how the heck did you do it? I seem to be holding on for dear life with my left clicking mouse as I climb (go forward and up with the up arrow button) - I think I need another drinky............
Love, Betty Lou

That's OK Jenny, sometimes it just helps to post my problem here then go back and 'fiddle' with it some more and a solution sometimes comes to me - the answer to this one is to 'climb the girder' and do NOT touch the mouse until I have lowered my eyes to the edge of that window sill so I can see the wire cutters then can grab them before I 'jump down to the ground.
Am now getting irritated with the exploding bra, but I WILL CONQUER this puzzle too.
Thanks again. Love, Betty Lou

For the exploding bra, don't forget you can make Nick "run" instead of "walking."

Hey Jen, I did not know you were psychic! haha
How did you know I am getting blown up with the bra? I will try that running trick tomorrow when I get back into the game....thanks for the tip.
What fun!
Love, Betty Lou

Because I got blown up with the bra from very many angles in very many ways.
That bra means business.
I forget if it's the Shift or the Control key that makes Nick run.

It is the control key - my only problem is going to be how do I grow another hand? For me it appears to take 3 hands to accomplish this task - My hands and my brain do not want to cooperate on the movements involved in this one = place bra, turn slightly right, run like h..l to the hole in the fence which all uses the space bar, left mouse button, left mouse button, track ball to turn a bit, up arrow key and CTRL key simultaneously to get the heck out of there - this one is going to take me a while to get done.....see ya later - maybe -.
Love, Betty Lou

This exploding bra scene started out to be funny, now it just sucks! No matter where I stand, how close or how far away before placing the bra, and no matter how fast I turn and RUN I just am not getting anywhere....Will keep on trying as I don't want to ask for a saved game (would not know how to load it in at this point) and I WILL NOT QUIT! Just wanted to vent a little. Thanks for listening.
Love, Betty Lou

Betty Lou, now that you've figured out how to run, try making for the opposite back corner from where the bra is...

Hi Jenny, I am not so sure that I DO know how to 'run' - I have been practicing 'running' either forward or backwards to the spot I think you mean, and my speed, either walking or running, seems to be the same no matter if I use the CTRL key or not - so what could I be doing incorrectly? walking and running are the same speed when I hold down the CTRL key or don't hold it down. I have even tried 'running' backwards so as to eliminate the turning motion and it still takes me the same amount of time....
I had the brilliant idea to practice, practice, practice getting out of the way WITHOUT placing the bra just to see if I could manage this 'puzzle' but no matter what I do my end result is 'flying off to heaven' so to speak.
Love, Betty Lou

Hi Betty,
The shift key makes you run. Try that and see if you aren't faster.
Kay

Thanks, Kay--I was going to tell Betty Lou that, but I had to go to the doctor and pharmacy, and that ate up a couple of hours. Then I actually had to install the game twice to make it work right so I could check....GRRRR

But you're right, of course, it is the shift key. I don't have any trouble with this, because I use the mouse with my left hand...

Thanks Kay. I can't imagine where I got it wrong...this will probably work now.
Jenny, you too? Use the mouse with your left hand, and I use our trackball mouse with my left hand, leaves my right hand free to make notes as I am right-handed....have a very difficult time making myself use any other mouse and with my right hand it feels very awkward....Hope you are OK and nothing seriously wrong. Feel better soon.
Thanks you guys.
Love, Betty Lou
Yea! Yippee! It worked the very first try. Thanks much you guys. :kiss:

Well, now that I know how to 'run' and ya know, running backwards was FUN! So, now I am having difficulty with climbing the pole and using the screwdriver on the vent cover.....it sorta goes like this and my end result is like an "Outer Limits" scene - stay close to the wall until I reach the pole, go stand in front of it as close to it as I can and carefully climb up it to near the end where the light fixture is - get as close to the vent as I can and be careful to hug the wall too - pop up inventory and grab the screwdriver - aim it on the front corner of the vent cover that is closest to me - naturally I drop the screwdriver - when trying to move the X cursor so I can pick it up again, as it lands on the light pole at my feet, if I am not careful I fall off the pole - first 3 or 4 times I 'died' and had to do this part over but last 50 tries when I fell off the pole I landed BELOW the pavement and everything is black and when I look up I can see the pole, the buildings and the fence 'floating' above me somewhere - but when I attempt to move myself back up to the right level it is like watching the afterburn of one of the rockets at NASA taking off and cameras showing what the scenery looks like below, and I appear to be either sinking further down under everything or headed to outer space....very freaky, so I hit ESC and have to try over again - anyone else have such an experience? Is this a 'glitch' in the game? This scene is going to take me days and days to accomplish, and I am getting VERTIGO up here on this narrow pole.....see ya around sometime soon - will let you know if I ever accomplish this.
Love, Betty Lou <img border="0" alt="" title="" src="graemlins/woozy.gif" />

You are having some strange experiences for sure, Betty Lou, but that front corner is where you should be looking. I finally got a chance to start this one tonight, but I'm still poking around in the Bar.

Glynn, I won't consider surgery either (I've had several episodes of blood clots), so that epidural is something I'll keep in the back of my mind. Thanks for the suggestion...

I'm beginning to wonder if those 'game gremlins' are poking at me - I did the ultimate BooBoo yesterday AM and deleted my saved game files.....and I HAD read the warning in both walkthroughs about just this very thing, but did it anyway, don't know where my brain went at that moment in time, but it sure was not where it was supposed to be or it went into a deep sleep.....have replayed the game from the beginning, saving lots along the way, and am now standing in that dreaded doorway trying to attract the attention of those darn dogs onto the duck and not me - someone said the hotspot for standing to 'toss' it is very hard to find and they are right... but very soon now I will be up on top of that light pole clinging to it for dear life....see ya later.
Love, Betty Lou

haha Jenny, it must be like seeing a sign that says 'wet paint' and reaching out to touch the area anyway just to see if it is true....I guess you and I aren't the only ones who hit that delet key on the right by mistake.....
Well, I finally made it up that pole, saved so I could return to same spot if I fell off, used screwdriver on the front corner of the cover and after about 10 tries figured out how to climb into that vent hole, then had trouble 'opening' the vent inside that pipe, but did that too, saved a lot along the way. Have made it now all the way to trying to outwit those &^%$#$% 'watch-robots', they are worse than the dogs, so many of them and they are so fast. Saving a lot here too, good thing there are unlimited save slots....this may take me a couple of days. Oh, well, say la vieeeee and Kay Sarah Sarah...
Love, Betty Lou

Ok, Ok - looky here now - SOMEONE, just has to have a cute trick up their sleeve for getting around these @#$%^&*&^%$#@ robot-guards.....just how the heck can I 'run' from cell to cell when they are too fast, and I can't tell just how many of them there are - and I am 'running' blind since I do not know the layout of that cellblock.....why can't I turn off the robots on those computer monitor/terminals? How can I shut them down? This may just be the 'puzzle' that does me in on this game - pooh! Who else has beaten these little devils and just how the heck did you do it? HELP!
Love, Betty Lou <img border="0" alt="" title="" src="graemlins/woozy.gif" />

I can't remember exactly what I did. But there are some side areas with computer terminals that are "safe" areas. I ran around the corridors in roughly a clockwise direction, ducking into "safe" areas. After the second one I ducked into, I turned left and ran down the hall, turning right at the end, and then around a few corners to the dead end, where there was a place to open the cell with the man in it. I had to try to time the runs according to the robots and got killed a lot. Once I got into the cell with the man, the rest was easy. You do turn the robots off, but you have to do it from downstairs.

Good Luck

Hi Betty,
I checked the layout of the prison cells after the robots were turned off, then loaded the save in the alcove where the eight monitors are. If you can make it there, save your game and turn around and watch the robots. You will see two go left at about the same time. Wait for both to come back. (The first one will pass in front of you when it comes back and in a few seconds the second will come back and go in another direction). Soon as the second one comes out, run left, straight down the hallway to the end, around the corner to the professors cell.

Sorry to hear you had to start your game again.
Hope this will help a little. Good luck!
Kay

Hi Kayc, you say that you checked out the layout after you turned the robots off - ~ - How did you TURN THEM OFF? Was it after you had freed the professor and had all the cell laser doors turned off? Or is there a way to turn them off BEFORE I go find the prof.? It sure would help if those robots were to 'die' for me FIRST! And thanks for the tip - if I have time today I am going to try what you suggest.....got a meeting this AM and it definitely will tire me out so may take a nap when I get home....see ya later
Love, Betty Lou

Hi Betty,
I had a save after I freed the professor. I loaded it to check out what direction to run, then I loaded a earlier saved game to watch the robots and see when I needed to run. The only cell door that is necessary to open is the one with the professor and the one beside it. Good Luck!
Kay

I am definitely going to need a LOT of luck on this one, as I am not getting anywhere, am going to keep on trying til I use up all my patience with it, then I think I will just sit here and cryyyyyyyyyyyy! I don't understand why they did not allow a way to get to the control panels for these stupid things and without making it too easy let one turn them OFF!
Love, Betty Lou

This is not working - sometimes when I am in one of the 'safe' cubicles I get killed anyway, don't know why.....I need specific instructions how to get 'downstairs' and where to go to turn off those ~ robots ~ so I don't have to deal with them anymore.....is there any way to do this?
Is it a very difficult and complicated process to take someone else's saved game and insert it into mine so I can "get on with it"?
Love, Betty Lou, just call me totally done in & frustrated

Betty Lou, have you see the second walkthrough here at GB that Rosemary and Gordon wrote? Here is what it says: SPOILER
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Then go to the very next cell, open it and lift the bunk to reveal a secret room...

Yes, Jen, I have both w/ts and have tried all they say to do and all the suggestions given in this thread, and am getting nowhere.....don't know what else to do but give up
Love, Betty Lou

This was a very tricky part of the game. I thought I was getting nowhere until I suddenly found the end of the hall with the cell with the man in it. It was easy after that. Keep trying and I think you will eventually get it. I know it's frustrating because it seems you are making no progress.

Ah, Glynn, I will keep an eye out for you here, as I am sure you will have a few problems, as I did and as others did too. A couple of times I was very frustrated and about to give up, but Jenny and others have brought me to this point - have 'vanquished' those nasty robot-guards in the prison!
Jenny, that sure was weird = I found out if I oriented myself at that elevator core, you know, in the center, and watched the robots movements, as long as I was flattened up against the wall there they ignored me completely - so I worked my way around that elevator core until I could decide which hallway I had to enter and when that particular robot went the other way I ran like h..l and found the professor - now I am downstairs and have 'virused' the computer system but when I put the keycard back into the slot to go back upstairs it makes a noise, but I don't go anywhere - what am I doing wrong?
Love, Betty Lou

Great!!! Betty Lou, I knew you could do it. The lift should take you back up when you use the card. Make sure you are standing on the lift. I don't know of anything else you could be doing wrong.
Kay

Hi Kay, I am still downstairs with the two servers that are hooked up to all the computers, have used the floppy and infected them all til they are 'blue in the face' and cannot get my keycard to work so I can go back upstairs......it makes the noise as tho I have activated it, but I remain in the same room - So I cannot get to the lift/elevator until I return back up to the cellblock - have I missed something I need to do here? Thanks
Love, Betty Lou
P.S. I was at the end of my rope with this one and ready to QUIT but Jenny encouraged me yet again, and again, and I tried a different approach and it worked, but don't ask me which hallway I chose, as I do not remember/know how I got 'lucky'.....sure am glad that part is over.

Well, that is a DUH moment for me! It finally dawned on me that when you said I should be sure I am ON THE LIFT what that meant - apparently all my playing around with the keycard and the slot I did while standing too close to the slot and the lift rose behind me without my realizing it.....how silly of me - all I had to do was bring it back down and STAND on it and it worked just fine - I am now back up and into the next video scene - on my way! Thanks - I feel so silly....
Love, Betty Lou

Hi Betty Lou,
Glad you got to finish it.I hope they make a sequel also. I enjoyed it. We all have our duh moments. Mine was spending a long time trying to get the machine to work to move the boxes. Finally found out I was using the wrong receiver on it. The right one was back at Nick's apartment.
Kay