Ok I have finished most of it, Nora keeps popping up and I finally got the right guy, Max. I have been to Max's cave, looked at everything, did the music box and the message was on the computer. But when I go back to the mausoleum, I find no key. I have not yet completed the Spider or the Marble puzzle, is this why?I have the gas in the gas can and I think everything else is done except for those puzzles, of course the tangram puzzle being protected by the bees. Have not done that cause I have not been able to go into the mine yet. Do I have to complete those two puzzles in order to get the key? If so, I may have to do the solve thing, the spider in particular is driving me nuts. I am only able to get the green, red and blue, then I get stuck. Help!!

Before you enter the trailer, notice to the right, something under the trailer. Use your crowbar to pry away the metal skirting and retrieve the Safe Deposit Box key from the box...

That key won't appear in the mausoleum until you have all the bahos in place on the altar.

You have the can of gas; there shouldn't be anything keeping you from going into the mine. Put the gas in the elevator engine and go.

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I have SPOILER solutions for those puzzles. Holler if you want them.

I did try a spoiler for the Spider one, it was one of those F, R, L ones and I either did not do it right or it was wrong. It is very hard to figure out what is direction looking at it from that angle. It ended up saying L when there was no L to go to. I used the crowbar ages ago, I though I needed the key to unlock the door as I read in a w/t that it was in the mausoleum. I'll take my gas to the mine and see what happens, meanwhile if you send in your spoilers, I'll give them a try. thanks I went back in to edit this, I decided to use the solve it for the puzzles after battling them over and over. Now I am having to go through the Kiva by the mine door. I keep getting lost in the mines and take forever to find the ladder. I don't suppose there is an easy way to do this.

Sounds like you already have found your way to the mine. When you get to the "boneyard" turn around and take the "W" tunnel to the next room. Then take another "W" tunnel; that should be the room with the ladder.

My spider solution is probably different. I have a graphic of it. CYE.

WAREHOUSE MARBLE PUZZLE (by Mona)

Number columns, left to right, 1 to 7; and rows, top to bottom, A to G. Move the Marbles like this:

6G-3G, 1F-1C, 2A-5A, 7F-7G-6G, 7B-7F,
6E-7E-7B, 2C-2D-1D-1F, 5D-5E-7E, 2B-2D,
3B-3C, 5B-2B-2A, 5F-5B-2B, 4C-4B, 3F-5F,
6F-6D-5D, 6C-6E, 3C-6C, 3D-3B, 2D-3D, 2E-2C,
4E-4F, 6E-1E, 6C-6F, 6B-6E-4E, 4B-6B, 5A-5B,
2C-6C, 2F-2C-4C, 4F-2F, 3G-3F, 1E-2E, 1C-2C, 7E-6E.

Thank you, I have saved your Spider Puzzle, that is way different than what I was trying to do. I finished the game, but had to do Norah as I could not do that crystal puzzle quickly enough. Hopefully one day I can go in and do it right, I was full up on life, but it depleted so quickly. Oh well, I had fun trying. But again, thanks for the help and I will use it later. Now what to play, what to play, maybe Longest Journey, I am tired of being alone in a game.

Tom Senior already gave you the biggest clue for finding that key - I looked for a L-O-N-G time before I found out you have to have all the bahos sticks in place in the altar first.

And there are a lot of us who never solved that final puzzle, especially when you have to go back to a previous disc to reload your saved game, and then switch discs again to try the puzzle. Even with a picture of the solution in front of me I couldn't do it fast enough.

Yeah, with having the "solve this puzzle" for the whole game if you want it, then when you "reall" need it, it is gone. That was really mean, so at least by giving the Ianyi to Norah, I saved my friends. So what happens if you solve that last puzzle, does the town become alive again? Just curious, cause I sure don't think I want to do the every few minutes disk swap again.

Are any of you people using windows ME to play shivers2. I can't get mine to even install. Had no trouble at all with shivers1.Would appreciate any help. Jer.

I was playing both of the Shivers games on ME, the trick is to "not" let it test your computer when installing it. If it does, then your computer will not meet with it's backwards 1995 standards. If you let it test your computer, then it will not even let you try again, at least until you restart the computer. I found this out by accident. So put in the cd, say "no" to test, it will say your system "sucks" do you want to install it anyway, click yes. It will be fine, just pop in the cd and it will even auto-start. Both the games are worth playing, but I preferred the first one and loved the ending.