Pilgrim

Hi Marian

I am still near the beginning of this game, at the bridge. I am supposed to be making the hermit's mouse fly but first I have to figure out how to "retain the energy attached to the mouse".

Any hints you can give me?

Thanks.

Hi Oldbroad
This was a somewhat convoluted puzzle if I remember correctly and depends where you are at in the sequence.
Mags walkthrough is pretty good here and if you post where you are I will look and report back. The first step is go to Petronus

Thank you for your help, flotsam - it is appreciated.

Petronus has told me the machine may work if I can retain the energy of the mouse. The hermit won't talk to me any more until the mouse flies. The merchant has nothing new to say. Pablo and Isabeau are practicing.

The merchant is off of the bridge and has his oxen near him.

What else do you need to know flotsam?

Thanks.

If you are where I think you are, you need to get a demonstration of the machine. Go to Potronus and see if you can figure out what to do there in order to get a demonstration.

Marion, I may be wrong but I think I had the demonstration. When you first ask Petronus about the machine (before the mouse is involved) he explains what it does and you see a visual. I honestly don't remember it that well now and will have to go into a prior save to see what it did. Now when I "use" the machine on Petronus I am asking about the mouse, saying that it made the leaf fly can't it make the mouse fly also. (I don't remember any leaf flying though, so maybe that is what you are talking about?) But the way Simon is wording that, it seems he saw it (even if I didn't)

If you have received the demonstration, try clicking the mouse and then the machine on Potronus if you haven't already.

Unless we are talking about 2 different things, I have done that already.

When I click the mouse on Petronus and tell him that the hermit wants to see his mouse fly, Potronus says that is an interesting challenge, then asks if I might have any suggestions. Then I click the machine on Potronus and state that the machine made the leaf fly, might it be able to make the mouse fly. Petronus has told me it wouldn't and then says unless I can figure out a way to retain the energy attached to the animal.

Have you looked at what Potronus is holding on the top of the machine?

HAH! That is what I missed. I will see if that moves me along at all and for how long.

You are welcome - sorry I wasn't able to cut straight to the chase the first time you asked the question.

No problem at all Marian. I know it is hard to know where a person is when you can't see it. And when trying to explain where you are, you (I) often leave big gaps of information out.

BUT - may I say ARGH!!! A timed puzzle that doesn't seem like it has much time. I will have to work on this.

DOUBLE ARGH. I clicked too fast on too many different things I guess and the game crashed.

Well, sheesh. I hope you are able to continue without the game crashing again!

I'm heading over to glitches. The game won't open anymore at all.

Darn it.

Well Marian. I think I'm back in business but have to start the game again. Since it appears to be a fussy game, I will probably just use the walkthrough when I run into problems BUT maybe not. Maybe only for the timed stuff. (Wouldn't want you to miss me ).

I'm happy to hear that the game is working again!

So I replayed to the point I was at and consulted the walkthrough so I wouldn't panic again. Got the mouse back to the hermit safe and sound. Now I am already stuck again though with the cask puzzle. I can put the cask on the boat and I can mark a green paint line on the boat. I can (oh wait, let me go try something).

Heh, heh. Figured it out as I was typing. Done with weighing the cask.

Thanks for the telepathic help!

Sounds good!

Made it to Toulouse. See you there! I am going to try to NOT use the walkthrough. Getting used to how it works.

So far, I am liking this game even with the trouble I had.

It always sounded like an interesting game to me, but I have not played it. I spent some time in Toulouse when I was 18 years old (a loooong time ago). Have fun.

And I failed miserably to come back so apologies

I played this game - twice - a very long time ago - and certainly found it either "buggy" or "picky" !! [Can't make up my mind.]

But I still liked it

No problem flotsam. I'm sure there will be more opportunities. And Marian got me going.

I'm still early in Mad so I hope it's not too bad. I just have to remember not to panic next time I run into a timed puzzle. It just took me by surprise. And I am saving often.

If I remember correctly, oldbroad, the "sticky" bits were only here and there - with stretches in-between that I managed pretty well

Hi fellow Boomers,
I've never heard of this game until I read this thread. Can anyone tell me if and where this game is available for download? I just looked at Mag's walkthough and it looks like the type of game that I would like to play.
Sandy

It's an older game and not available for download anywhere, as far as I know. I believe that oldbroad is playing this on her Windows XP computer, and no idea whether the game would run on systems newer than that, although I tend to doubt it.

I see a few for sale on eBay; here is one listing.

It's not available for download -- not from any legitimate site anyway -- and probably won't ever be due to the presence of 16-bit code. Pilgrim was originally published in 1997 for Windows 3.1/95. Windows 3.1 means 16-bit code, which won't run on 64-bit Windows outside of emulation. Although the game was re-released in 2001 for Window 95/98/ME, it's not likely that the 16-bit code was replaced because Windows 95/98/ME is 32-bit and works fine with 16-bit code. 32-bit XP also works with 16-bit code.

Well said, Jenny - that's the long and the short of it.

Yes Sandy. I'm playing in my XP from a disc I found on Amazon. Took a chance hoping it would work in XP and so far, so good.

Thanks to all of you, fellow Boomers,
Since I now have a WIN 10 PC, I guess I'll just have to pass on this one. HAPPY GAMING!
Sandy

Mad, did the picky part have anything to do with having to do things in an exact order? I seem to be stuck trying to give the money changer a bag of money that he won't take. I took a look at the walkthrough and it seems I just did things in a different order but I'm not sure. I haven't really been able to play much lately but will be home tomorrow and will try to figure out what I did wrong or didn't do. I hope it is not an "order" issue. I don't like that. I hope I just missed something somewhere.

I really hope it isn't an "order" issue either. I tend to equate that with poor game design.

I agree... definitely one of my biggest pet peeves with some games.

"Mad, did the picky part have anything to do with having to do things in an exact order?"

After all this time I honestly can't say for sure, oldbroad, but I think it's very likely it would have.
Some of those older games did suffer from such faults and I found consulting a walkthrough to be the best way to get past them ]

It's already 4:11 in the afternoon and I haven't been able to talk myself into playing the game

Oh, dear !!

Well I hope you do manage to carry on, oldbroad.

On the whole, even though it had its moments, I did like this game

I typed the wrong thing above. It is the cutler that I'm clicking the money bag on (I typed the money changer above but that was my bad memory typing) which is what the walkthrough says to do, and then you are supposed to click Paul on him. When I click the money bag, the cutler stops sharpening and looks up, then when I click Paul on him he looks down. He doesn't do anything else. Doesn't start sharpening again, doesn't talk, doesn't take the money. Therefore, I cannot go back to Paul's home without the maid shutting the door in my face. I guess I will play the part over and hopefully be done with it.

I DO like the game Mad, but when I have to do the same thing over and over, I need long breaks in between. I'm going to go give the replay a try right now though!

Only ended up having to replay 1/2 of the section. Started where I knew what everybody needed but I hadn't started fulfilling their needs. I think the difference was something to do with when I did the scale puzzle. Not sure though but I didn't have any trouble after that.

Am now in the Abbey dungeon.

I'm glad you were able to move on.

Hurrah !! That's splendid, oldbroad

Well, I finally made it out of the dungeon. If there was logic to the art room puzzle I sure didn't get it. There are 20 pictures and you have to use all 20 to open the door. I was playing trial and error for quite a while

At least I am not leaving the game tonight in 'stuck' position.

Thanks for your support!!

Keep us posted.

I'm stumped. I am trying to find Durandal the sword. I found "a" sword and I found a staff. There is a room with holes all in the floor that the staff will disappear into. I thought I was putting it in the sword or something but nope, it is going into the floor never to be seen again and doesn't seem to accomplish anything except that the holes are no longer active hot spots.

Or is it going in the sword? I can't really tell, but the hot spot on the top of the sword does go away when I put the staff in there. I am doing this on the slab where the sword goes. But even if this is correct, I am still stuck then. It is still not Durandal and I don't see anything else to do.

Can you try to hint me?

Thanks!

The staff and the sword are placed in two different places. Have you gone down to the basement mausoleum yet?

Different places huh? So, I guess I might have to try all those different holes and see if there is any difference...

Not sure what the basement mausoleum is so I don't know if I've been there. How would I recognize it if you can say without giving something away?

After you have picked up the sword, the walkthrough says to climb the stairs, out of the basement mausoleum...

Hm. That sounds like the room I am describing with holes in the floor. The sword is actually first picked up in the building above the room. I'll have to work on where the staff goes I think.

Thanks Marian. I'll let you know but not sure when I'll be trying it.

Keep me posted. Good luck with the game.

OK Marian. I'm not getting anywhere.

I know there is a column that is in what I assume is the mausoleum that shows a picture. It has an "active" spot so I assume it means something but I cannot figure it out.

What I referred to as the room with holes in the floor is I assume the mausoleum basement. There are crosses around the room and in the middle of the room a slab that you can put the sword in. The shaft will fit in any of the 36 holes and then will disappear and doesn't seem to add anything to the game.

The only other "active" spot I see is on some statue thing way at the other end of the scene. When I click it I get a close up of the statue. It is snow covered and there is a fan like picture or whatever on it. I don't know how else to describe it. It doesn't do anything.

I don't know if this is enough info for you to help me or not??

After you have picked up the sword and the staff, the walkthrough says to go back down to the basement mausoleum and place the sword at:



The staff gets placed somewhere else.

Let me know if this helps get you moving again.

The staff gets placed in the mausoleum or somewhere else?

Somewhere else.

OK, I'll try again

I think I just said something misleading. The staff is not placed in the mausoleum *basement* - sorry. I should have qualified that. It looks like it is placed elsewhere in the mausoleum. My apologies.

No problem Marian. I checked inside and outside several times but I cannot figure it out

The line regarding where to place the staff begins like this:

Go to the location right below the column on the top floor...

That is the starting point.

Marian, I swear to you, I tried every hole in that floor and some of them more than once because I did try to use that column as a reference but I didn't get anywhere, until this time! I think I did not have the sword in place when I placed the staff and it did not work placing the staff first and then the sword. I even thought of that at some point but did not feel like going back and retrying them again. (I had to reload a saved game each time as the shaft disappeared into the holes.)

Thank you once again for sticking with me here. Let's see if I can get any further. It is taking me a long time to play this game which is actually a testament to the game. The less I like a game the quicker I reach for the walkthrough so I can get it done with.

Ah, yes, presumably the game insists that you place the sword first. That explains a lot.

I am glad you are liking the game so far. Nothing wrong with taking it slowly - I see that's a good thing.

Yes, nothing wrong with taking it slowly, just all those other games to play (like Tex Murphy).

Also, just so you know, the shaft is placed in the mausoleum basement (right below the column which is upstairs).

Good to know - thank you for the information.

Try not to think about Tex until you finish Pilgrim.

I'm stuck again. I can't seem to move forward very far without getting stuck.

I have helped a young couple get rid of a spirit in their home and am now in a room with a bell rope, a stairway up to a platform where there is a circular plaque with many different pictures on it where I can put the Staff and position it at any of these pictures, and there is a room off to the side where I picked up a map painting and read a note left there. The door out of the room will not open.

I don't know any other way to describe this Marian. I am sorry. I do know that it is probably about halfway down the walkthrough because I did look at the walkthrough while dealing with the spirit.

I guess I have to do something with the staff and that circular plaque thing. I haven't got a clue.

This game is way too hard for me!!

If you can hang in there until a little later, I am leaving for an appointment right now and won't be back for a few hours. Just wanted to let you know.

Meanwhile, maybe someone else will be able to help.

Not a problem Marian. I'm home this week and determined to finish this game (one way or the other)!

How nice to have a week off (I am assuming that's why you are home this week).

Looking over the walkthrough, it sounds like the first thing you need to figure out is where to place the map painting.

Thank you Marian. I found the wall for the painting. If there was a "action spot" on it, I missed it, but I tried it anyway. I have now moved out of there and am outside of some (something). I'll probably be back soon looking for more help.

Good luck!

Can you tell me the purpose of this maze I'm stuck in? Am I just looking for a way out or is there something else to it?

Thanks.

There is something that you must see/read while in the maze, and two or three things to click on. Someone also speaks to you while you are in there. So, it isn't just a matter of finding your way out.

Argh! Thanks. I checked it out and didn't see anything. I'll give it a more proper go but may need to use the wt for this one. Not sure if you could give hints for a maze.

Probably not, but I could go line by line with the walkthrough. Reading over it, it doesn't sound terribly convoluted, but the walkthrough has a map and it does look somewhat more complex.

I used the walkthrough but it didn't really seem to work for me. I eventually got it after clicking and clicking. The actual maze was a lot different than the map in the walkthrough.

Anyway, I am at the 3 Kings section now. I have talked to all 3 of them and taken all their stuff (peace, power, progress, glory, love, salvation, axe, staff, sword). The King of Lore wants me to kill his guard Weak; Weak wants me to give him power. The King of Strength wants me to kill his guard Pagan; Pagan wants me to give him salvation.

If I give the guards what they want, I get game over. If I give them something else, I get game over. When I give them what they want they bow their heads and it seems like I should do something else, but so far I haven't had much time once the cursor becomes available so I'm not sure if that's right or not.

When you get game over it brings you back to the beginning of the section. After listening to a rather long conversation, I can load my saved game but I'm getting tired of the repetition.

Anything you can tell me without giving me the full answer?

Each King has 2 gifts enclosed in glass and can be taken only by breaking the glass with weapons other than that king's.



Sorry - it's hard to be vague.

I have all of those already.

When they bend down and bow their heads, there is indeed something you are supposed to do. Thinking about knighting ceremonies might be helpful.

Wrote stuff and I guess I didn't hit submit.

What you're saying is what I thought. I had the cursor hovering over the staff one time waiting for it to become usable but when it did, it jerked itself over to the sword and then, game over. Thought I tried the staff more than once but maybe not. I was trying different things. I did figure out why the curser jerked anyway so I can avoid that in the future. (The item you click on them doesn't leave your bag until the curser becomes active again, thus causing the jerk.)

Not quite ready to play yet. Will let you know later... If my internet stays on. It went out last night right after I posted here. I just saw it go out again as I was typing. Hitting submit now while it looks to be connected.

Thanks.

Internet down time can be such a pain. We had to get someone over here emergently on Friday evening due to the same problem - fortunately things got fixed, at least so far. I hope it clears up for you.

Hi Marian,

I'm in Limbo trying to play Chess. I click the pawn (book) two times, then the rook two times and then am stuck. I am again getting tired of the repetition having to listen to this same conversation over and over. I'm still trying but have to step away from the game during the reload conversation.

I don't know anything about Chess. I don't know if I'm playing the game right but there doesn't seem to be very many options to it.

I don't know anything about chess either, and I suspect maybe you'll just need to know the moves. I know I wouldn't have the slightest clue what to do as a player. Having said that, here is the first line about the chess puzzle:



There are three more moves after this.

And you are also getting pretty close to the end of the game - there appears to be one more sequence of the game after the chess puzzle.

This doesn't seem to be working for me. The white pawn IS the blue book. I have to click it two times for anything to happen and then it brings the white rook to the bag. I'm reloading again now and will try again but ...

Well, ok. What happens next after the white pawn is in the bag?

Next sentence of the WT is:

Move white pawn from black square to white square above it.

Sorry, I can't think of any way to be vague about this.

And the final two moves involve the white rook.

I know this is probably something I shouldn't have bothered you with and just looked at the walkthrough. It's just irking me though!!

And that is where I was before.

After moving the white pawn from the black square to the white square, I can click on the rook, but then I get stuck. I assume I AM supposed to click on the rook.

Yes, the white rook is next. The last two steps:

Click the white rook (St. James statue) to replace it. Click the white rook to move to last white square on the left.

I am sorry I made you write the lines out for me instead of just looking. I got it now. I could have had game over a zillion times before seeing that hot spot for the last move. Also, wasn't sure what to click, the piece on the board, in my inventory, or in my bag. Very confusing puzzle (to me).

I'll see if I can move forward. Getting tired though.

No problem. You are quite close to the end now.

I can't even answer the first question. I tried using every item, person, and everything in my bag. None of them were the answer. Is that possible? I don't see anything else.

Tomorrow is another day. Maybe it will be more clear.

Well, I am puzzled, because looking the answers over, I don't see how anyone could necessarily come up with all of the correct responses without some sort of additional reference material.

I just took a look at a description of the game elsewhere online and it says the following:



What I am wondering is if this encyclopedia might be useful for some of the answers.

The encyclopedia may be helpful if I could only bring myself to read it. I read some only. However, I still don't see how NONE of the available answers can be correct.

However, you don't get game over until the 3rd answer so maybe it is not just one answer but a combination of two or three. I am absolutely horrible at this kind of puzzle. I will try some more but because I cannot take much more of the reloading conversation, I will probably end up having to look at the walkthrough. It's a shame when this happens at the end of a game. If the 'game over' would bring me back directly to the puzzle I would not mind it.

We'll see if I can find some patience and figure it out.

I will, of course, let you know.

It has certainly been an interesting ride following along with this game. I would really like to think that this question-and-answer session is fair to the player, so I will be waiting to find out.

OMG Marian. I was clicking the answers on the wrong hotspot on Marc. There is a hotspot on his mouth and one on his chest.

I am not finished yet but have answered two questions (apparently) correctly so far. Fingers crossed!!

Whatever works!!

Getting frustrated again.

Have answered 5 questions without to much problem but have been stuck on this 6th one for a long time. Seems like I've tried every possible answer.

How many questions are there Marian?

It looks like there are nine questions in total with Marc.

After that, there are six questions from Petrus.

And then there is a shorter session with Belibaste.

Ohhh

I'll never finish this game.

Thanks Marian!!

I wish I could be the bearer of better news!

Actually I'm on the 7th question not the 6th, so one better than I was thinking.

One more question. Do any of the answers get repeated?

Only in the first section with Marc are any of the answers repeated.

Thank you. I think that is why I haven't found the answer to number 7 yet. At least I hope that's why

I will hope right along with you.

That worked for 7, and 8 was easy enough but I've been stuck on 9 now for a few hours. I guess it's time to call it a night. Maybe the game won't be so stubborn tomorrow!!

I admire your determination.

Throwing a party! After several more hours today, I finished the game!! Did not look at the answers in the walkthrough. Lots of reloading from choosing wrong answers.

Could not have done it without your help Marian!!!

Congratulations!!!

And you did almost all of it by yourself. My help was sketchy, at best.

Another game conquered!

Don't underestimate yourself. You're a great help!!

Thank you. It's not easy at times to find *just* the information that is needed.

You are astounding, oldbroad, in how you refuse to give in and end up beating these games down to the bone !!!!