2000 A list with a twist

Hi,
Just a thought but.....
I first came here to get some ideas about what to play. Trawled around and found some back posts, found some top 10 lists, and asked some direct questions. As a result, I am still here and have played some good stuff.
Others obviously come here for the same reason. There are often new posts asking for suggestions.
So (and realising that one persons poison is anothers champagne, and that nothing is perfect) I propose we start a thread on which each person can submit a maximum of 10 games that they would recommend others play. If you don't have 10 you would recommend, or haven't played enough, less than 10 is fine - but no more.
The emphasis is on the fact that you are recommending games for others to play. This would eliminate (perhaps) the game which made the earth move for you (for whatever reason) but which whilst it will forever occupy a niche in your favourite games file, you cannot in all honesty recommend it to someone else to play today.
Your 10 would not be in order of priority. Just 10 (or less) recommendations. If you originally post less than 10, but then play one that you have to add, you can do so. But 10 is the maximum.
We could keep the thread open for (say) 28 days (or till the end of this month). It would then be closed, and we could compile a single composite list of the games mentioned, in order of most to least. I am willing to volunteer to do the counting.
Then some clever moderator type person could put the list in the hall of fame or classic posts or somewhere else obvious, to serve as a resource for current and future gamers. It would be date marked, and a new list could be compiled at appropriate intervals to pick up new games.
There would obviously be more than 10 games on the list, and the collected wisdom of everyone here (especially the BAAGs) would give a good snapshot of recommended games at the date indicated. The numbers (and tastes) of people here should ensure a good cross section, and offer another source of info, and a possibly broader opinion than a single review.
We could cut the list off at a certain point down, or discard any games with less than a certain number of mentions, or simply post the whole list. I suggest we cross that bridge at the time but also suggest that we don't ultimately list any game that is only mentioned once.
Finally, we are talking adventure games, and whilst its hard to define, I think we know it when we see it. Its the games we talk about here. Some may have different opinions about whether certain games fit the genre, but at the end of the day if I was to put (say) Quake on my list, I suspect it would reside at the end of the list with just one vote. Under my own rules it would not make the final list and all disputes about whether it was really adventure or not would never arise.
So with some trepidation as a newbie but in (optimistic) anticipation of wild enthusiasm I will kick it off with the list below. I will confess there are many I haven't played that will no doubt make a later list, but you have to start somewhere.
And if this is has all been done before and I missed it, my apologies.

flotsam

Morpheus
Riven
Amber
Zork Nemesis
Faust
Bad Mojo
Obsidian

1. Burn:Cycle
2. Monkey Island I
3. Monkey Island II
4. Loom
5. Full Throttle
6. Zork Grand Inquisitor
7. Grim Fandango
8. The Dig
9. Zak McKracken and the Alien Mindbenders
(although I have a feeling that this 8-bit Ron Gilbert classic will drop off, but it's the only game I almost threw up laughing so hard..)
10. Amber: Journey's Beyond

1. Monkey Island II
2. Monkey Island I
3. Gabriel Knight I
4. Gabriel Knight III
5. CMI
6. Blade Runner
7. Gabriel Knight II
8. Laura Bow 1-2
9. Full Throttle
10. The Riddle of Master Lu

Hmm...on second reading, my list seems to read like an advert for LucasArts!

-Muppet-

Here's my list.......

1. Riven/Myst
2. Shivers
3. Obsidian
4. Zork Nemesis
5. Morpheus
6. Atlantis 2
7. Amber
8. Timelapse
9. Lighthouse
10. Gabriel Knight II

I haven't finished TLJ....so I can't add it....

~Dee

Here's my list*:

1. Riven
2. TLJ
3. The Neverhood
4. Zork Nemesis
5. Pandora Directive
6. Shivers
7. Timelapse
8. GK II
9. Atlantis II
10. Bad Mojo

*subject to change, of course!

Love, Witchen =O)

My recommendations are:

1. Blade Runner
2. Day of the Tentacle
3. Gabriel Knight 1
4. Grim Fandango
5. Journeyman Project 3: Legacy of Time
6. The Neverhood
7. Ripper
8. Timelapse
9. Zork Grand Inquisitor
10. Zork Nemesis

*Here's mine:
1. Shivers I
2. Myst
3. Riven
4. Timelapse
5. Morpheus
6. Zork Nemesis
7. Faust
8. Lighthouse
9. Journeyman Project 3: Legacy of Time
10. Beyond Time

*This list may be edited as I have yet to finish TLJ and Atlantis 2, and have not yet started Gabriel Knight 3, Blade Runner, China, and a couple others.

1. Grim Fandango
2. The Quivering
3. Gabriel Knight 3
4. The Longest Journey
5. The Feeble Files
6. Circle of Blood
7. Journeyman Project 3
8. Sanitarium
9. Lighthouse
10. Riven



[This message has been edited by vermin (edited 06-06-2000).]

These aren't necessarly my top 10 games but a comprehensive list of games that best exemply the variety of Adventure games that are out there from a
perspective/graphic/challenge/ view. With each IMHO being one of the primier games of it's "kind". Almost a cornerstone list of games, that everyone should play through at least once to see that not every adventure is the same.
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[*]Myst

[*]The Pandora Directive

[*]Black Dahlia

[*]Traitors Gate

[*]The Dark Eye

[*]Gabriel Knight 2: The Beast Within

[*]7th Guest

[*]Blade Runner

[*]Lighthouse

[*]Shivers
</OL>



[This message has been edited by Brian (edited 06-06-2000).]

1. Grim Fandango
2. TLJ
3. Riven
4. Curse of Monkey Island
5. Amber
6. Woodruff and the Schnibble
7. Dracula Resurrection
8. Amerzone
9. GK3
10.Feeble Files

[This message has been edited by mamadoc (edited 06-06-2000).]

1. Riven
2. Amber
3. Timelapse
4. Obsidian
5. Shivers
6. Journeyman Project series (3 is my favorite)
7. Morpheus
8. The Neverhood
9. 7th Guest
10. Sam and Max Hit the Road

BTW-all of these are ported to Mac, except for The Neverhood, which I must say was worth it to me to abandon my favorite OS briefly for!

Maybe we can note on any tabulated lists which are ported to Mac.

Gabriel Knight 2
Sanitarium
Sam and Max Hit the Road
The Longest Journey
Journeyman Project 3
Zork Nemesis
Day of the Tentacle
Grim Fandango
The Dig
Monkey Island 2

1. Monkey Island trilogy (so far...)
2. Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis
3. Sam and Max Hit the Road
4. Day of the Tentacle
5. Gabriel Knight: Sins of the Fathers
6. Grim Fandango
7. Simon the Sorcerer 1&2 (again so far...
8. Lost Files of Sherlock Holmes: the case of serrated scalpel
9. Broken Sword series
10. Beneath a Steel Sky

not in any particular order

Amerizone
Amber
Zork Nemesis
Timelapse
Qin
pandora's box
legacy of time

I would recommend to others:

Myst
Zork Grand Inquisitor
The Legend of Kyrandia, I, II, III
Amber: Journeys Beyond
Morpheus
Sanitarium

This is until I get to my next five. In no order:

Any Tex Murphy game
Gabe 1 & 2 (trash three)
Circle of Blood
Byzantine
Outcast

Okay, time for the next five. Again in no order.

Black Dahlia
Grim Fandango
Journeyman 2
Sherlock Holmes, Case of the Rose Tattoo
CALLAHAN'S CROSSTIME SALOON

Don



[This message has been edited by Don M (edited 06-07-2000).]

1. Day of the Tentacle
2. Myst
3. Curse of Monkey Island
4. Rama
5. Timelapse
6. Riddle of Master Lu
7. Journeyman Project 2: Buried in Time
8. Gabriel Knight 2: The Beast Within
9. Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis
10. Zork: Grand Inquisitor

01 BLACK DAHLIA**
02 SHIVERS
03 TIMELAPSE
04 RIVEN
05 BYZANTINE
06 CYDONIA
07 REAH
08 MYST
09 ZORK NEMESIS
10 OBSIDIAN
11 BLACKSTONE CHRONICLES

** I have listed 11 games because despite my enjoyment of BLACK DAHLIA, the technical gliches associated with CD #7 would turn off many players and so I would exclude this game from my recommended list.

HI, Gang........Gad, how could I forget BYZANTINE AND LIGHTHOUSE! Two of my favorites. Byzantine never has gotten the glory (or the sales) it deserves. Exceptional game!

Love, Witchen =O)

Riven/Myst
Journeyman 3-Legacy of Time
TimeLapse
Zork Nemesis
Broken Sword 1 & 2
Sanitarium
Zork - Grand Inquisitor
Atlantis 1 - Lost Tales
Legend of Kyrandia Series

I agree with the gang,. after I play Atlantis 2, TLJ & Aztek, and some of the many, many others I have yet to get to, they will no doubt make my list.

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granny goodwitch

A woman NEVER shot a man while he was doing dishes!

1. Myst & Riven
2. Byzantine
3. GK III
4. Atlantis II
5. JP3 - Legacy of Time
6. Black Dahlia
7. Grim Fandango
8. Circle of Blood
9. Sanitarium
10. Zork Nemesis or GI
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11. TM - The Pandora Directive (got to mention Tex to be fair)

This Month's Top 10

1) Black Dahlia
2) Obsidian
3) Shivers 1&2
4) Myst\Riven
5) Ring
6) Goblins 1,2,&3
7) Blade Runner
8) The Crystal Key
9) Lighthouse
10)Zork Grand Inquisitor

Sassy

amber
obsidian
tlj
outcast
sanitarium
grim fandango
zork grand inquisitor


good in their time:
myst
indiana jones and fate of atlantis

a very hard list to come up with; I left out some games that are not all-around and consistently good IMO - but I would recommend to a seasoned adventure gamer.

-imagin

I've only played 4 modern adventure games and here is my list in order:

1)Myst
2)Grim Fandango
3)JP3 Legacy of Time
4)Gabriel K3

(Currently in Chapter 2 of The Longest Journey and it is a fairly good game so far.)

My Top Ten would include those games that after saving and closing down for the night, I was excited/couldn't wait to get back to the game again. In no particular order:

Day of the Tentacle
Sam & Max Hit the Road
Myst
Full Throttle
Kings Quest 5/6
Shivers
Under A Killing Moon
GK2-The Beast Within
Sherlock Holmes - The Rose Tattoo
Grim Fandango

In no particular order:

Morpheus
Amerzone
Obsidian
Myst
Riven
Amber JB
Journeyman: Buried in Time
Journyeman: Legacy of Time
Zork GI
Drowned God
Tomb Raider the Last Revelation

oops, that's eleven

Gareth

Haven't played enough games to have a top ten list, but of what I've played, I would unhesitatingly recommend:

1. Riven -- best of the first-person, "plop you in a strange place and make you figure out what the hell's going on" games. My favorite adventure game to date.

2. Amber: Journeys Beyond -- the only game I've ever played that actually scared me.

3. Last Express -- not a game I really love, but I think anyone interested in adventure games should try this one out. Played completely in real time, it is definitely a unique experience.

I would also recommend, with reservations:

1. Myst -- started me on the genre, so that should say something for it, I guess.

2. Grim Fandango -- the best written, best voice-acted, best thought-out game I ever played, but weakened by a really crummy interface. I consider this a "flawed classic".

3. 7th Guest -- basically a puzzle game in adventure fancy pants, but a good puzzle game.

4. Outcast -- an action adventure game that got me started on THAT genre.

doug

I haven't played enough games to have 10 favorites, but I will offer my top 5, if that's OK-- in no particular order:

Myst
Timelapse
Atlantis and A2 (I know, even I can't believe I said that!LOL)
Obsidian

maryt

My list--also in no particular order

Myst/Riven
Atlantis 2
Timelapse
Amber
Beyond Time
Zork GI
Reah
The Crystal Key
Qin

[This message has been edited by Jenny (edited 06-08-2000).]

Hi there,
So far, there are 28 individuals contributing and already 81 games have been mentioned. At this rate, everything Ray has ever played will get mentioned at least once
The top 10 (not in order) are:

Riven
Amber
Zork Nemesis
Grim Fandango
Myst
Timelapse
Legacy of Time
Zork Grand Inquisitor
Shivers
Obsidian

Those with at least 5 recommendations are:

Lighthouse
Gabriel Knight 2
Morpheus
Gabriel Knight 3
Atlantis 2
The Longest Journey
Black Dahlia
Sanitarium

flotsam

Hey! Great work flotsam

I noticed the top 10 are mostly older games. Sad huh?

~Dee

Okay, here goes:

1. Myst/Riven
2. Zork Grand Inquisitor
3. Morpheus
4. The Curse of Monkey Island
5. The Last Express
6. Timelapse
7. The Legend of Lotus Spring
8. Amerzone
9. Ring
10. Reah


I'm currently playing Atlantis II, and unless the game suddenly loses all its remarkable heart and depth, it will end up high on my list.

Re: mostly older games making the lists: to some extent this is natural, because we've had more time to play older games. And I think there can be a nostalgic haze surrounding a person's first few immersive interactive experiences. (For instance, I find that the music from Myst affects me in the same way Golden Oldie songs from my teenage years do -- I don't just remember the song, but I remember what I was looking at and what I was feeling at the time.)

It's also easier to recognize a classic when you've had time to think about the game/book/painting, and put it in perspective, perhaps even to play/read/look at it more than once. This may explain in part why we seem to be favoring older games, but I don't think it explains the whole.

[This message has been edited by Becky (edited 06-11-2000).]

Hi,
Thanks for the encouragement MacDee.
Sad though I am not so sure about. Becky is right in that more of us will have played them, and I assume we will have played them because we have heard good things about them. The circle continues.
I suspect that newer games (like TLJ perhaps) will get more recommendations as time goes by. I haven't played it yet so it can't make my list. That is why I think doing this periodically (every 6 months say) will be both informative and useful. If you do it 4 or 5 times and the older games still come up, then maybe it is sad - or maybe it just says something about what people want to play.
idarcy had a good suggestion re Mac ported games and can the Mac-ers amongst you indicate at the end of the day what games are playable by the Microsoft challenged .

flotsam


[This message has been edited by flotsam (edited 06-09-2000).]

Here's my list, since you asked so nicely...

1. TLJ
2. Feeble Files
3. GK2
4. Broken Sword 1
5. Grim Fandango
6. GK3
7. Simon the Sorcerer
8. Broken Sword 2
9. King's Quest VII (my first graphic adventure, can't help it!)
10. Curse of Monkey Island


[This message has been edited by foofoobunny (edited 06-09-2000).]

Ok...the newbie's turn....

Actually...picking just 10 may be difficult:> )

1. Myst (of course:> )
2. Riven
3. JP2 - Buried in Time
4. JP3- Legacy of Time
5. Rama
6. Obsidian
7. Jewels of the Oracle
8. 7th Guest
9. TLJ
10. Lighthouse

The list could go on and on :> )

Andee

In no order:

Amber
Timelapse
Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis
Myst
Riven
Gabriel Knight/Beast Within
Monkey Island 1 + 2
Shivers

We are playing Obsidian now (hey Janie!) and that will probably make the the list. I know that would only put me up to nine, but the eternal optimist that I am, I want to save a spot for the next really great game that comes along.

Lizabeth

My favorites are not necessarily the games I would reccomend to someone else.

I try to tailor my reccomendations the taste of the person who asks.

The games I would most often tell someone about are:

Riven
Broken Sword / Circle of Blood: Shadow of the Templars

Amerzone
Timelapse
Journeyman Project 2
Zork Grand Inquisitor
Full Throttle

for kids:

King's Quest 7: The Princeless Bride
Nile: An Ancient Egyptian Quest

Wow! I used up my ten slots faster than I thought I would.

Les

No particular order

1.Atlantis II
2.Amber
3.King,s Quest 5,6,and 7
4.Sanitarium
5.Lighthouse
6.Amerzone
7.Curse of Monkey Island
8.GK2:Beast Within
9.Blackstone Chronicles
10.Broken Sword 2

And the list goes on...

No particular order
Myst
Riven
Sanitarium
Blackstone Chronicles
GK1
GK2
GK3
Lightbringer
Morpheus
Amber

It's interesting to me how many of us put Amber on our lists. Of course I wasn't gaming when it first came out, but did it really make that much of a hit, or is it just one of those games that people came to slowly appreciate? I just finished it recently, and found it very enjoyable, yet I had never heard of it until someone offered it to me in a trade.

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"There are two ways to live your life.
One is as though nothing is a miracle.
The other is as though everything is a miracle."
Albert Einstein

HI, Jenny!

I don't know the stats on how Amber sold when it was first released in 1996. But, I think is popularity has steadily grown since. It probably could be considered a "cult classic" by this time... There are still lots of reviews of Amber on the Web. One such is at http://pc.hotgames.com//games/amberj/review.htm Although, it sounds like the author of this particular review was an action gamer and entirely unfamiliar with adventure games....or already had a firm mindset...LOL

Love, Witchen =O)


[This message has been edited by Witchen (edited 06-10-2000).]

Hi all,
I've only played 6 games one of which (Crystal Key) I wouldn't recommend unless you're desperate. From the quick look I took, it doesn't rate high with many. Here is my list of 5.

Zork Nemesis
Riven
Myst
Amerzone
JP3

Looks like I gotta try Obsidian and Timelapse.

Rayy

You know, it is hard to get just 10 games, guess I play too much. I can easily put a list of 20.

Here is my list:

Loom (Anyone remember this one?)
Day of the Tentacle
Myst
Callahan's Crosstime Saloon
Neverhood
Circle of Blood
Journeyman Project 2
Zork Grand Inquisitor
Full Throttle
Toonstruck

Hi,
Just an update on where we are at.
The top 10 in order (some ties and allowing for errors) are:

Myst
Riven
Amber
Grim Fandango
Timelapse
Legacy of Time
Zork Grand Inquisitor
Zork Nemesis
Gabriel Knight: The Beast Within
Obsidian

Games mentioned by at least 5 different people are:

The Longest Journey
Lighthouse
Shivers
Morpheus
Gabriel Knight 3
Atlantis 2
Black Dahlia
Sanitarium
Monkey Island 2
Full Throttle
Day of the Tentacle
Circle of Blood
Amerzone
Buried in Time
Curse of Monkey Island

Almost 90 games have been mentioned in all.

flotsam



[This message has been edited by flotsam (edited 06-13-2000).]

Better late than never.... right? Count my fav's in (no particuliar order - oh, yes, they are......... in alphabetical order hahaha)
Black Dahlia
Beyond Time
GKI< II< III (does that count as 3?)
Lighthouse
Morpheus
Phantasmagoria's
Temunjin
Zork's (et al)

Th-th-that's all folks

Hey, flotsam....Thanks a ton for the re-cap! Interesting results!

Love, Witchen =O)

Here's mine (subject to future additions) in no particular order...

Curse of Monkey Island
Grim Fandango
Discworld II
Nightlong
Normality
Faust
Gabriel Knight II - The Beast Within
Sanitarium
Amerzone
Myst

There's still a lot I haven't played yet (just got Feeble Files and waiting for Longest Journey) but I wouldn't hesitate to recommend any of these to other people, although I admit Normality was a guilty pleasure.

"Remember that the most common mistake made by those designing something to be completely foolproof is underestimating the ingenuity of complete fools."

1.Myst
2.Riven
3.Rama
4.Lighthouse
5.Timelapse
6.Obsidian
7.Beyond Time
8.SPQR
9.Zork Nemesis
10.Curse of Monkey Island

Hey all,

This is a really good idea. Maybe some publishers or designers or the ever present marketing department people will have a peek at all these postings.

1. Myst/Riven
2. Obsidian
3. Dark Side of the Moon
4. Forgotten
5. Zork Grand Inquisitor
6. Zork Nemesis
7. Shivers
8. Lighthouse
9. Drowned God
10.All the Tex Murphys'

I really could go on and on....but I won't.





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Kim~~:)

Had to give this alot of thought and really narrow it down as I've played so many great games My top 10 fav's as follows:

1. Tex Murphy: (Overseer,Pandora,UAKM)
2. Return to Zork
3. Timelapse
4. Black Dahlia
5. Titanic Adventure Out of Time
6. Shivers
7. X-Files
8. Atlantis 2
9. Dust
10.Curse of Monkey Island

Naturally, there are many games awaiting play such as Ripper, TLJ, Obsidian, etc., that could significantly alter this list!

P.W.

Here goes in no particular order with the exception of "The Quivering" which will solidly perch atop my all time favorites list:

1.The Quivering(a must play for true
adventurers!My all time favorite!)
2.The Arrival (fantastic sci-fi adventure)
3.Tex Murphy series (all)
4.Feeble Files (one of the best ever made)
5.Neverhood (either you love it or hate it)
6.The Longest Journey (Truly wonderful)
7.Grim Fandango (what it's all about)
8.Dracula Resurrection (unbelievable graphics and very spooky)
9.Day of the Tentacle (a real classic)
10.Broken Sword 1 & 2 (can't beat these for true adventuring)

I could add many more, but the list above relates the best of the best. It's too bad we can't list a top 20.
Thanks for the opportunity to do this.
Alan

In no particular order, here goes:

1. Any Tex Murphy
2. The Longest Journey
3. Any Monkey Island
4. Sam and Max Hit the Road
5. Any Discworld(especially Discworld Noir)
6. Grim Fandango
7. Gabriel Knight 1 and 2(not 3)
8. Circle of Blood
9. Toonstruck
10. Sanitarium

Zanthia

Hi,
The top 10 is now a top 11 with Shivers equal with Obsidian.
Those that join the list of more then 5 mentions are Sam and Max Hit the Road, Broken Sword 2, and The Neverhood.
As responses are dwindling and people will get sick of me pestering them, what say we end posts at the end of this weekend, and I will do a complete summary.

flotsam

Yea, yea I know a day late and a dollar short. Here goes and this hasn't been easy narrowing it down to only 10 - this list is subject to change at any time

Myst - the game that hooked me and therefore will always have a place in my heart
Obsidian
Zork Nemesis
JP3
The Longest Journey
Atlantis 2
Callahan's Crosstime Saloon
Bad Mojo
Pandora Directive
Under a Killing Moon

I'm playing Discworld Noir and The Quivering right now and they look like they are going to make it into the top 10 when I'm done. As stated subject to change

After much deliberation and heated discussion here we go in no particular order ...

Discworld series
Simon the Sorcerer series
Monkey Island series
Broken Sword series
(cheat mode off)
Day of the Tentacle
Shivers I
Pandora Directive
Callahans Crosstime Saloon
Riven
Black Dahlia
...
Near misses because they are now a bit dated
Zak MacKracken and the Alien Mind Benders,
Gabriel Knight I and Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis.
Grim Fandango lost out because of the interface!

Rosemary who also loved Blue Ice but wouldn't dare recommend it



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Rosemary & Gordon
Quandary

Better late than never.

• Amber-Journey's Beyond
• Black Dahlia
• Byzantine
• Gabriel Knight II
• Lighthouse
• Morpheus
• Myst
• Riven
• Timelapse
• Zork Nemesis

There are so many others I could name but these are games that got me hooked on adventure and all have been played more than once.

These are my top 9 in no particular order. This was hard to do. I finally decided on the basis of have I replayed them even when I had new games or old/new games for me to play which I always do.
Myst
Riven
Shivers
Black Dahlia
Timelapse
Last Express
Lighthouse
Zork Nemesis
Grim Fandago

I still have a lot games to go and a whole lot that I want to replay. I am beginning to think one only sees what is in a good game (like a good movie or good book) if one returns to it.

I'm late because I like a lot of games and can't decide so here in no particular order:

1. The Longest Journey
2. Myst/Riven
3. Grim Fandango
4. GK 1, 2, 3
5. Monkey Island Series
6. Tex Murphy Series
7. Journeyman Project Series
8. Amber
9. Sanitarium
10.Timelapse

I also liked the Atlantis 1,2 and so on and so forth.

Just got a chance to review all of the latest posts on this thread, and I want to re-iterate what Alan said about The Quivering. EVERYONE on GameBoomers should play this game! Really! I know I have been a minor pain about it, but don't just take my word for it. Go to Alan's site ( http://www.playinggames.bigstep.com/ ), buy it and PLAY it! You will not be sorry.

Here's Randy's review on Just Adventure if you don't believe me: http://www.justadventure.com/reviews/Quivering/Quivering_Review.asp

And here's Ray's take on it, although he was much less forgiving of the notorious 'Save' feature (or should that be the 'Save but that means you won't have enough imps to make it through the next level" feature?):
http://www.adventuregamer.com/reviews/misc/quivering.shtml
Do yourselves a favor. Play The Quivering.

Hope I'm not too late. Here's my list:
1-Myst--my first, and will always be my
favorite.
2-Zork Nemesis--am replaying now.
3-Shivers
4-Lighthouse
5-Gabriel Knight II
6-Tex Murphy- OTKM
7-Morpheus
8-Monkey Island
9-Sanitarium
10-Riven

Mary

So ya think the list is dwindling, huh?
And then come 6 more ratings lists from posters I thought had already posted! Shows what I know! LOL
I'll E ya this weekend....Baseball ROCKS!

Rick

Hi,
Must be all that decadence Rick!
I will post summaries Monday morning my time. That will be late Sunday in the USA. I know you have more than one timezone, but they aren't my strong suit, so I can't get any closer than that.
We can then close the thread.

flotsam

No problemo, flotsam. With all the hard compilation work you have done for us, we sure aren't gonna' get picky about USA time zones!

Thanks a Mil! Love, Witchen =O)

Myst (my first game!) and Riven
Shivers (both)
Zork Grand Inquisitor
Tex Pandora Directive
Curse of Monkey Island
Gabe 2
Black Dahlia
Broken Sword

Right now, am enjoying Lightbringer

Didn't anyone like Dark Side of the Moon?

Just a suggestion, but this thread has only been open 10 ( 11? ) days, maybe you should let it run for another week. There are still many regulars that haven't posted yet. What with schools getting out, Graduations, etc., a lot of people have been quite busy this last week or two.

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granny goodwitch

A woman NEVER shot a man while he was doing dishes!

Hi,
I did suggest till the end of the month in the starting post, and I didn't realise it was only 11 days.
Cos it slowed down, I just assumed everyone had posted that was going to.
At granny's request, and I got some e-mails as well, what say we hold off for another week. I will post summaries next Monday. They are ready to go so I will just up-date them.
In the meantime, idarcy asked for the list to show Mac games. If I e-mail you a list idarcy (and MacDee??) can you e-mail me back the ones that are Mac-ed?

flotsam

Sure flotsam.....

I'd be glad too...

~Dee

1. The Longest Journey
2. Zork Grand Inquisitor
3. Myst
4. Faust
5. Timelapse
6. Monkey Island Series
7. Broken Sword: The Shadow of the Templars (same as Circle of Blood)
8. Discworld
9. Simon the Sorcerer
10. Gabriel Knight 2: The Beast Within

Two others that belong in the top ten but are almost impossible to find are:

Loom
3 Skulls of the Toltecs

Lela and Bill

Flotsam ...you idea man! June 18th,2000

Here's mine!!
1) Myst/Riven
2) Zork nemesis
3) Zork Grand Inquisitor
4) Sanitarium
5) Journeyman 3
6) Lighthouse
7) Grim Fandango
8) Shivers

Flotsam....Great Idea!!! I can't wait to find out the results. You have taken on a very grand project and if you need any help....let me know at
hankmarkel@mediaone.net. Good Luck in this and in your gaming. Your gaming friend
Hankster

Haven't played many but I did a lot of research before buying.

Myst
Riven
Timelapse
Obsidian

This thread will help me decide what to buy next )

Cheers ... Peter

ok, here's mine - I haven't played that many but the ones I would recommend are:

Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis
Broken Sword 1 and 2
GK1
Fatal Illusion (except for bugs)

That's basically all the games that I've played that I would recommend. I wouldn't recommend Feeble Files because, though fun, it was far too hard to even attempt to play without a walkthrough (for me at least!). I also didn't much like Amerzone - the locations and puzzles were too samey. GK2 I haven't finished yet, and so far there has been too much reading, and having to have people read things out loud, which had got me down. By the time I end I might want to recommend it I guess, but not yet. Apart from that, I've just not played lots of the favourites that have been mentioned so far...

Reenie,

Dark Side of the Moon certainly made my list.(See above) One of my all time favs.

BTW, I see some have mentioned 3 Skulls of the Toltecs. I know this is one of Mr. Bill's sleeper hits, but does anyone know where I could buy a copy? Thanks,

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Kim~~:)

Obsidian
Morpheus
Shivers
Myst
Riven
Zork Nemesis
Rama
Gabriel Knigh II
Timelapse
Lighthouse

I would just have loved to put "9 - Last Resort on the list", however it isn't an easy game, and maybe not the best to recommend. Rama is also a game not easily recommended, but I was so totaly proud of myself when I finished it (I suck at math), that it had to go on the list, I wish for more people to experience the same kind of joy!

Writing the list was hard, I thought that I've played soooo many games, what to chose and so on. However, reading through the other lists, I realize that there are quite a few games left to discover. I'm going to have to get myself a PC one of these days... [blip].

Great idea with the lists! //emma//

Hi,
A quick update.
We have 105 games on the list and 54 respondents. There are 15 games with more than 10 recommendations, and another 13 with 5 or more.
Thanks to idarcy and macdee, the final lists will be mac friendly.
See you next Monday.

flotsam

Thanks for all your work on compiling this list, and thanks as well to idarcy and ~MacDee for their Mac clarifications. That will help me out a lot!

Lizabeth

Hey, flotsam! Thanks a lot for the spot-check. We'll be looking forward to the final tally!

Love, Witchen =O)

Hi,
Just so as everyone is on the same time line, I will post summaries Monday morning, which is 72 hours from now.
You can work out what that equates to where you are from the the time indicated on this post.

flotsam

Flotsam -- How hard is it going to be for people hoping to buy some of the highly rated older games to actually find them? I'm thinking in particular of Timelapse and Obsidian, although even Legacy of Time on CD is getting hard to find.

Becky,

If you don't mind them used, you can try www.gametz.com - though most people trade games, some sell them. Always worth a try and you'll find alot of older games available.

Hi,
The summaries of this thread appear below. First you have to suffer through an explanation and a comment.
Some respondents recommended series, or pairs of games, as a single recommendation. Others used separate recommendations for different games in a series.
The most prominent of these (ie recommended more than others) were the Gabriel Knight, Tex Murphy, Broken Sword and Monkey Island series, and the Myst/Riven pairing. Other series included Zork and Journeyman Project.
In consolidating the lists, I had to decide what to do.
If I recorded one vote for each game in the series, this effectively meant more than 10 recommendations for those respondents. It also meant that by comparison, those that recommended separate games in a series got less than 10 votes. An extreme example was Muppet, who used 6 recommendations to vote for 3 GK games, and 3 MI games. Some voted for those same games using 2 recommendations.
If I ignored the series votes, then everyone that recommended a series got less than 10 votes. Further, they might have preferred certain games in the series (or indeed all of them) to remain on their list ahead of other games.
The purest solution would have been to get everyone who voted for a series to re-vote, but this was supposed to be fun, not a trip to the dentist to have teeth pulled.
So, on the basis that everyone here is friends, and as we are recommending games to others not voting on the Nobel prize, I did both.
There are 3 separate list posts below. One is a list with the series votes included, another with them excluded. The third is an alphabetical list of all games indicating both results – if there is a number in brackets after the name, that is the total vote for that game including series votes .
You will see that it did not alter the overall result too much. Myst and Riven remained first and second whichever way you did it, and Timelapse remained third. The top 10 remained pretty much the same, and games with 10 or more votes increased by five. Beyond that in depth analysis, the alphabetical list will show the impact.
I hope this is acceptable to all.
The comment follows separately.

flotsam

Hi,
The three lists below are the outcome of this thread. The aim was to have adventure players recommend games to other adventure players, or would-be players.
105 games (give or take a Zork) were recommended, and 57 people responded.
It needs to be stressed that ALL the games here were recommended by at least one person as being amongst their top games to play. It is not a list of best to worst games of all time. Tastes will vary, but if a game is on this list, someone thought it was worth recommending to others to play. On that basis, there are no duds.
A more detailed explanation of the “rules” and rationale is at the very first post. The explanation for the three lists appears in the post above this one.
Happy playing.

flotsam

(this list excludes series votes)


30 Myst
26 Riven
25 Timelapse
20 GK 2: The Beast Within
20 Grim Fandango
20 Zork Nemesis
18 Amber
18 Lighthouse
18 Shivers
16 Zork Grand Inquisitor
15 Sanitarium
14 Morpheus
13 JP 3: Legacy of Time
13 The Longest Journey
13 Obsidian
12 Black Dahlia
10 Circle of Blood
10 Curse of Monkey Island
8 Amerzone
8 Atlantis 2
8 Day of the Tentacle
8 GK 3: Blood of the Sacred, Blood of the Damned
6 GK 1: Sins of the Fathers
6 JP 2: Buried in Time
6 Tex Murphy: Pandora Directive
5 Byzantine
5 Full Throttle
5 Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis
5 The Neverhood
5 Sam and Max Hit the Road
4 Beyond Time
4 Blade Runner
4 Callahan’s Crosstime Saloon
4 Faust
4 Feeble Files
4 Last Express
4 Monkey Island 2
4 Outcast
4 Rama
4 7th Guest
4 Tex Murphy: Under a Killing Moon
3 Bad Mojo
3 Blackstone Chronicles
3 Broken Sword 2
3 Monkey Island 1
3 Reah

2 Atlantis, The Crystal Key, Cydonia/Lightbringer, The Dig, Dracula Resurrection, Drowned God, Kings Quest 7, Loom, Qin, The Quivering, Riddle of Master Liu, Ring, Sherlock Holmes: Case of the Rose Tattoo, Toonstruck,

1 The Arrival, Beneath a Steel Sky, Burn: Cycle, Dark Eye, Dark Side of the Moon, Discworld, Discworld 2, Dust, Fatal Illusion, Forgotten, Goblins 1, 2 + 3, Jewels of the Oracle, Laura Bow 1 + 2, Legend of Lotus Spring, Nightlong, Nile: An Ancient Egyptian Quest, Normality, Pandora’s Box, Phantasmagoria, Return to Zork, Ripper, Sherlock Holmes: The Case of the Serrated Scalpel, Simon the Sorcerer 1, Shivers 2, SPQR, Temujin, Titanic, Tomb Raider: The Last Revelation, Traitors Gate, Woodruff and Schnibble, X-Files, Zak McKracken and the Alien Mind Benders

(this list includes series votes)


38 Myst
34 Riven
25 Timelapse
24 GK 2: The Beast Within
22 Zork Nemesis
20 Grim Fandango
19 Shivers
18 Amber
18 Lighthouse
18 Zork Grand Inquisitor
16 Curse of Monkey Island
16 JP 3: Legacy of Time
15 Sanitarium
14 Circle of Blood
14 Morpheus
13 The Longest Journey
13 Obsidian
13 Tex Murphy: Pandora Directive
12 Black Dahlia
12 GK 3: Blood of the Sacred, Blood of the Damned
11 Tex Murphy: Under a Killing Moon
10 GK 1: Sins of the Fathers
9 JP 2: Buried in Time
9 Monkey Island 2
8 Amerzone
8 Atlantis 2
8 Day of the Tentacle
8 Monkey Island 1
7 Broken Sword 2
7 Tex Murphy 1, 2 and 5
5 Byzantine
5 Full Throttle
5 Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis
5 The Neverhood
5 Sam and Max Hit the Road
4 Beyond Time
4 Blade Runner
4 Callahan’s Crosstime Saloon
4 Faust
4 Feeble Files
4 Last Express
4 Outcast
4 Rama
4 7th Guest
3 Bad Mojo
3 Blackstone Chronicles
3 Discworld
3 Discworld 2
3 JP 1
3 Kings Quest 7
3 Reah
3 Simon the Sorcerer 1

2 Atlantis, The Crystal Key, Cydonia/Lightbringer, Discworld Noir, The Dig, Dracula Resurrection, Drowned God, Kings Quest 5 + 6, Legend of Kyrandia series, Loom
Qin, The Quivering, Riddle of Master Liu, Return to Zork, Ring, Sherlock Holmes: Case of the Rose Tattoo, Shivers 2, Toonstruck, Simon the Sorcerer 2

1 The Arrival, Beneath a Steel Sky, Burn: Cycle, Dark Eye, Dark Side of the Moon, Dust, Fatal Illusion, Forgotten, Goblins 1, 2 + 3, Jewels of the Oracle, Laura Bow 1 + 2, Legend of Lotus Spring, Nightlong, Nile: An Ancient Egyptian Quest, Normality, Pandora’s Box, Phantasmagoria, Ripper, Sherlock Holmes: The Case of the Serrated Scalpel, SPQR, Temujin, Titanic, Tomb Raider: The Last Revelation, Traitors Gate, Woodruff and Schnibble, X-Files, Zak McKracken and the Alien Mind Benders, Zorks (the others)

(This is a complete alphabetical list of all games recommended. A number in brackets after the game is the total including series votes. An asterix indicates it is available for the Mac).


18 Amber
8 * Amerzone
1 * The Arrival
2 * Atlantis
8 Atlantis 2
3 * Bad Mojo
1 Beneath a Steel Sky
4 Beyond Time
12 Black Dahlia
3 Blackstone Chronicles
4 Blade Runner
3 Broken Sword 2 (7)
1 * Burn: Cycle
5 Byzantine
4 Callahan’s Crosstime Saloon
10 * Circle of Blood (14)
2 * Crystal Key
10 * Curse of Monkey Island (16)
2 Cydonia/Lightbringer
1 * Dark Eye
1 Dark Side of the Moon
8 * Day of the Tentacle
2 * Dig, The
1 Discworld (3)
1 Discworld 2 (3)
0 Discworld Noir (2)
2 * Dracula Resurrection
2 Drowned God
1 * Dust
1 Fatal Illusion
4 Faust
4 Feeble Files
1 * Forgotten
5 * Full Throttle
6 * GK 1: Sins of the Fathers (10)
20 * GK 2: The Beast Within (24)
8 * GK 3: Blood of the Sacred, Blood of the Damned (12)
0 Goblins 1, 2 + 3 (1)
20 Grim Fandango
5 * Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis
1 * Jewels of the Oracle
0 * JP 1 (3)
6 * JP 2: Buried in Time (9)
13 * JP 3: Legacy of Time (16)
0 * Kings Quest 5 + 6 (2)
2 * Kings Quest 7 (3)
4 * Last Express
1 Laura Bow 1
1 Laura Bow 2
0 * Legend of Kyrandia 1, 2 + 3 (2)
1 * Legend of Lotus Spring
18 * Lighthouse
2 * Loom
13 Longest Journey, The
3 * Monkey Island 1 (8)
4 * Monkey Island 2 (9)
14 * Morpheus
30 * Myst (38)
5 Neverhood, The
1 Nightlong
1 Nile: An Ancient Egyptian Quest
1 Normality
13 * Obsidian
4 Outcast
1 Pandora’s Box
1 * Phantasmagoria
2 * Qin
2 Quivering, The
4 * Rama
3 Reah
1 * Return to Zork
2 * Riddle of Master Liu
2 Ring
1 * Ripper
26 * Riven (34)
5 * Sam and Max Hit the Road
15 Sanitarium
4 * 7th Guest
1 * Sherlock Holmes: The Case of the Serrated Scalpel
2 * Sherlock Holmes: Case of the Rose Tattoo
18 * Shivers (19)
1 Shivers 2 (2)
1 Simon the Sorcerer 1 (3)
0 Simon the Sorcerer 2 (2)
1 * SPQR
1 Temujin
6 Tex Murphy: Pandora Directive (13)
4 * Tex Murphy: Under a Killing Moon (11)
0 Tex Murphy 1,2 and 5 (7)
25 * Timelapse
1 * Titanic
1 * Tomb Raider: The Last Revelation
2 Toonstruck
1 * Traitors Gate
1 Woodruff and Schnibble
1 * X-Files
1 Zak McKracken and the Alien Mind Benders
16 Zork Grand Inquisitor (18)
20 * Zork Nemesis (22)
0 * Zorks others (1)


[This message has been edited by flotsam (edited 06-25-2000).]

Hi,
My apologies if the lists are slightly hard to read. All my nice formatting disappeared when I cut and pasted. I will have a play with the editing to see if I can make it a bit less "messy".

flotsam

WOW!

Lots of work went into that. Thanks so much flotsam....

I find it very interesting that older games are amongst the top......

~Dee