Myst V: End of Ages -- Hints and Spoilers for Todelmer

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Todelmer. Isn't this a fabulous place! There are so many subtle details that I just love. Myst V is definitely an exploration.

Dadguy

YES!!! I am bumbling around-as usual-but in awe. Fun to have to revive my D'ni numbers notes!

Quick question (which the game will probably answer for me at some point): Is it necessary for me to deciper the door symbols ? I am just beginning here...have power and now watching numbers on what seems to be a version of an hour glass...playing with the machines...

Kate

KateVa, which door symbols? I may have missed them, which probably answers your question.

You are in Todelmer, right?

Dadguy

LOL! Yes, Todelmer. There are three symbols over the door to the "Red Room". I wondered if that was a clue I should have been able to decipher, but couldn't get a good view. Guess I won't worry about it now!

Kate

I'll go back and look, but I missed them and never did anything with them. And I thought I was looking at everything!

I must have spent 5 hours just looking in awe at Tedelmer.

Dadguy

Arghhh I cant find those Symbols and I need em

They are used for one of the Telescopes controls

Look at the first symbol to get an idea.. But before you move anything do look everywhere first as you will see if you jump ahead it will get annoying


EDIT: Found them shame I cant zoom in on them, kinda made it out.. For clarification -- Can someone tell me if symbol 2 is a Cross shape and symbol 3 is a vertical |?

Shame they had to do this a new way instead of the old fashioned Myst Style video

ergh...If I could see what the first one was I would, Dab! It looks like it could be one of the shapes..but impossible to tell which one.

As for the numbers...Will go back and check again...but if Dadguy didnt use them...

Kate (scratching head again)

The first shape will be a circle with a quarter missing..

This game you need a graphic card which can use AntiAliasing so it sharpens the lines..


EDIT: For KateVa


SPOILER**** Dont look at this if you want to find it yourself... If you have trouble in the game to see it clearly then look at the link below

http://www.vwaskar.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/fun/hint1.jpg (115KB)

Hey! I went back in to look at those symbols. You absolutely need them! KateVa, when you mentioned them I pictured something written right over the door. Those white symbols (high over the door) are a critical part of the gameplay. There is a way to read them!

Sorry for the confusion.

Dadguy

WEll, I should have just waited here! I took a bunch of screen shots, then played with them in Paint Shop Pro...so, I agree it is a six and a one.

At least I have progressed to the top of the stairs and seen another one! TY both!

Kate

There must be a 3rd set somewhere.

hmmmmm

This one is a toughie so far.

I am stuck on the Bridge of Sighs...that is, the metal balcony with the levers at the bottom of the stairs. I can't see that anything is happening when I pull the switch down, although I get a lot of noise. I have looked thru the telescope on the roof a gazillion times...

What am I missing? Would love a nudge here!
(Who needs a Prima Guide when you have Boomers??)

Kate

Yeah Same, so I went elsewhere and doing other ages first

I noticed what looked like a lift sorta thing in the distance, perhaps when done correctly the lift comes over?

But how!! lol

OK, a couple nudges...

That metal platform is a dock for something. You'll have to travel elsewhere to be able to come to it...

There is a practical reason for pulling that switch to make some gear wheels move. What could it be? Check the telescope upstairs to see if your view becomes clearer of some things.

Dadguy

er...have pulled it a lot. Should I keep focusing on the same pillar I found the symbols? I see what looks like a door behind some kind of tram thingee...and I can see a pedestal on one side of that pillar. Keep pulling the lever and the switch, huh? Sigh...

Kate

How do I open the 2nd locked gate to get on Direbo to get to Todelmer Island? I can get the first one open but there is no way I can see to open the second one.

KateVa,

A bigger nudge...

Actually, you need only pull it once when the top switch is in the right position. The goal is to get the cable wheel up top to rotate to allow you a view of a second remote pillar from the telescope (the second pillar is to the left of the one with the three symbols) that is blocked by the big wheel. It allows an important view of something.

Dutch,

The only way to the right "island" on Direbo to access Todelmer is to go back to the Great Shaft. There are four link books there that allow access to the different "islands" you see on Direbo. When you get to Direbo, unlock the bridge gates and eventually you'll have free access across them mear the end of the game.

Dadguy

That's what I would like to know Kate I could ask him to run over to the 3rd pillar and copy the symbol and bring it back to me!!!!!. I KNOW I have set the big telescope to the right coordinates but I still cant see the darn 3rd pillar slate through the brackets. Can anyone describe what the symbol for the 3rd pillar looks like I have tried for hours and still cant get it to work. Thanks DG. Thanks for any help given.

Do Bahro sleep after a hard first age?
I cannot get a Bahro to pick up the slate with the upside down birthday decoration. I'll admit to being the world's worst artist, but this is getting frustrating. What am I missing...there's three of them, right? one long, two short?

Dutch, I can email you a sketch if you want. Describing it is hit or miss. Let me know.

Bishop, the Bahro will pick up the slate whether you have the symbol right or not. You must give it more space (i.e., back away farther). If he still doesn't recognize the symbol, erase and try again. By the way, I cannot imagine which symbol you mean when you say "upside down birthday cake".

Dadguy-I qualify for the Dumb Blonde Award on this one. I see a pillar with a pedestal (three rings attached to a fourth) and a telescope...but I don't seem to see much of anything change from my rooftop scope after I pull the lever across the "bridge" and pull down the handle. The top lever has only two positions...far right and far left. Is that correct???

Wheels within wheels...Kate

KateVa,

Yes, the lever to the right pulls the tram toward you when you click the switch, and the lever to the left pushes it away from you.

But the important part is that when you started this Age, the gear up on the roof was blocking your view of that pedestal on the far left pillar. If you can now see the pedestal just over top of that gear, you have what you need to get to it!

I presume you know what to do to get to that pedestal now, right?

Dadguy

ROFL! Yes, TY Dadguy...I was so intent on figuring out how to get the tram thingee across, I missed the obvious. Chalk it up to a White-haired moment!

Kate

The 3rd Bahro symbol was a toughie to find. But since im on the other end now, I cant find anything else :\

This age is a really tough one..

@Dadguy: He means the rain symbol


EDIT: [blip] hard to find those 2 missing co-ordinates. Looks like its a fine toothbrush time with those telescopes O_o

Guess I got better with my scopes, since I found the third pedestal without too much trouble. Now, am trying to figure out how to get into that cable car thing. Door on third pedestal locked..and can't jump down to platform. I had hoped the lever on the first platform would help but no go. Is the map on the wall supposed to be an aid for this? Other than showing a green line...

Kate

I got that symbol, and I moved the cable car, but I cant get power to that area. Ive set the levers right im sure, but no power

You have to set the lever on the tram controls, the upper to the left and keep pulling down till it wont go anymore, and then goto the 3rd pillar and you should be able to get inside.

But meh, still cant get the power going :\


EDIT: Hurrah got power going, was very very pernickerty lol

KateVa,

You'll have to move the tram all the way back to the LEFT (i.e., top lever to the left, then pull the swithc until it won't go any farther). Then you'll get into the tram from the remote pillar side.

Dadguy

Waaah!!! What did you do to finish it? I have three settings for the scope machines...and no clue what to do next. I assumed that the numbers for the third scope would bring something new..but I have failed to find it. Should I be at that scope looking for a final set of numbers for the broken scope?

(And TY guys for getting me on the cable car!)

Kate

Did you not notice a new symbol for our magical buddies?

Ok what to do is this.

Set the Telescopes. Then use the tablet with the new symbol you found (in the area you climbed onto the cable car).

This shifts the planets around. Keep watching on the telescope screen that has the planet on it, and use full magnification, after if nothing is shown, use the tablet again. Keep going till something happens

I used the tablet...but only once. Beautiful rings,and a supernova...

OK, back to multiple stone droppings...to see if I can find this! Thanks-

Kate

WHERE the heck is the 3rd Pillar anyway. I just found out I have been looking at the 1st Pillar. I don't see a 3rd one anywhere from the plateau of the 2nd pillar. I only see the 1st one. I looked through the brackets of the big telescope and see the 3 symbols for the 1st pillar. The big telescope has been moved to the right coordiniates according to the picture in the book.

Dutch, I'll send you that symbol in the next few minutes. There are two pillars (with things of interest) besides the huge one you are on. So, the starting one is #1, then there is a skinny one (accessed with the symbol I emailed earlier), then another big one. The tram goes between the two big ones.

Hope that helps.

Dadguy

KateVa,

Spoilers below...


If you have the third set of symbols, you are ready to go to the back-left telescope settings machine in the red room.

After you set the numbers in, play with the viewer to see if you can get a better focus. See if you can find the important info that will allow you to move to a fourth pedestal!

Dadguy

ARGH!!! I should be in the Red Room, not at the telescope??

TY Dadguy...my eyes are crossing! LOL

Kate

KateVa, don't run that "supernova" symbol too many times. You have to match the orientation of the rings around the planet in the sky to the little symbol you saw above the third set of telescope setting symbols. The "supernova" action makes the rings change their angle.

After you get it right, THEN go to the third telescope setting machine and follow the advice above.

EDIT: I just read your post above - yes, the third symbol setting gives you the clue from the machine, not the telescope...

Very cool.

Dadguy

WHAT am I doing wrong. I set the coordinates for the left rear control panel with the symbols that were on the tram midway post. I have pushed the flashing green light and not pushed it. The same thing happens every time. I put the Advanced Time symbol on the slate drop it and the Bahro picks it up. He does not raise his hands to cause a blinding light. It worked a couple of times and now it wont work at all. It should because I go back to a previous save before.

Dutch,

Spoilers....


There was also a symbol of the planet with the Saturn-like rings on that tram post. You have to get the rings of the planet in the sky to match the orientation that was on that tram post symbol. This is done by executing the "advanced time" symbol. After you get the orientation right on the rings, then you can go to the back left telescope setting machine in the Red room and set the coordinates, press the green button once. THEN, you have to zoom in on the "view" using the little buttons on the upper right of the "view" screen on that machine.

Good luck,

Dadguy

I was putting the slate down in the wrong place. Now I am in the red control room. I zoomed in on the 4th icon circles within circles backed away from the control panel drew the circles on the slate dropped it. Bahro picked it up I went to the 1st pedestal and nothing happens. I hear a roar but no icon appears.I have waited for as much as 2 minutes without results. Is the first pedestal at the control room pillar am I in the wrong place?

Dutch,

If the symbol does not appear on pedestal #1 (less than 30 seconds) it means the Bahro doesn't recognize your symbol. Yes, the correct pedestal to check is the one outside and to the right a few stairs from the red room. The mouse drawing tool is a bit awkward to work with (all of my circkes look a little square). But, if you slip, just hit that little erase button and start again. Only one of my drawing attempts have failed to get the Bahro to recognize it, so it helps to be accurate.

For this symbol, make sure you have the circle on the outer ring off to the 1:00 position (not right on top) and make sure the line doesn't go through the outer circle.

Dadguy

Good luck,

Dadguy

Just an aside here...the rings never moved on the planet until I went back to the third pedestal once. I used the "memorized" symbol on the slate every time, so it wasn't a question of poor slate drawing. After that they moved wherever I placed the slate until they matched the hint. Very strange, but sure made finishing the age easier once they moved!!!

Just in case someone else has this problem, I suggest moving on to another age then returning later.

Kate

Todelmer is just visually stunning isn't it?

Where is everyone's favorite place to stand and watch the time advance symbol operate? I've tried a few locations.. one good one is near the first pedestal, on top of the first set of stairs.
Next I'm going to try running back right up to the top of that first pillar and watch it from that vantage point! I love watching that huge blue moon/satellite with the rings heel slowly over!

Is anyone else overthinking things a little? I had drawn a lovely colour coded map from the picture in the cable car building and wandered around for ages trying to identify everything and decide which code went with which control. Then I took another look at those nice BIG circles by the controls. Ooooh, I see.

Yes!! You would be amazed at the code I worked out using the clock...

Kate

DrDel,

I liked watching the time-advance from the middle stop of the Tram. I was able to watch as the rings in the sky slowly matched the rings on the symbol clue.

Dadguy

Ha! That sounds like an excellent one, I've got to try that too!

Yo boomers - I have done everything I can in Todelmer, but I now have a problem I cant Leave. I did everything to the end, got my slate, dropped it, Bahro picked it up and its on the first pedestal, but, I CANT GET THE TRAM TO WORK. I have moved levers, been and done everything I can think but I cant get the tram powered up to move, How do I repower and move the tram so I can see the symbols halfway between the lst and third pillar. I know the ending, but I would like to go by the book.

Your post is a little confusing as you say you've done everything... but I'm not clear.. did you ever use the tram yet? You ask how to 'repower' it..that suggests you used it once and can't get it to go anywhere now.

If you've never used the tram as yet, you need to turn on the power at the third pillar.. at the third pillar, starting from the tram, go into the building and start up the stairs.. you'll see a second round greenish window with two levers that have to be adjusted.. did you already turn that on so that there is power to the third pillar? It works the same way the one in the Red Room on Pillar #1 works.

Once the power comes on (and it's quite unmistakable when it does), get in the tram then turn so you are facing the control lever, pull it toward you.. tram'll start moving and then will stop half way between first and third pillars.. turn and look to your right... that's where the last set of co-ordinates are.

I finally got the tram going. Silly me, didnt put enough elbow grease on it when I pulled. I finally lined up the planets and am out of there, now in noloben so I expect youll be hearing from me again. This is a beautiful game. Definately a keeper to play again.

I'm here now, finally & already I've got a stupid problem. First of all I am carrying my dirty brown slate (I know the WT said to put it on the pedestal but somehow I ignored that) am in the control room have moved to sliders gone back out climbed stairs to blocked path, gone back down to control room, gone up red lit stairs, moved left slider up & middle slider to R, but don't see a green button to push.

Thanks

Mome

did you notice the power come on when you adjusted those two slider/toggle switches? It's pretty unmistakable when the power comes on... the lights in the room come up and there is a sort of dial around the big greenish window that starts to spin around. The telescope controls will not work until you do this.

So, up the stairs there are four telescope controls.. make sure you are at the one on the RIGHT at the BACK.. if you've successfully turned the power on.. move the telescope up-and-down slider all the way to the top.. you should see a green button begin to glow when you move that slider.. push the glowing button .. it controls the cables to that telescope, and will lift the cables and debris up out of the way

Mome,

I don't think you have the power on.

Check around back of the room for a bluish round screen. The left lever needs to go up halfway and the right lever all the way to the right (I think). Then the rings will rotate and lights come up.

Then go try that broken machine again.

Dadguy

I ended up having to set the left lever to the middle & the right lever to the right to get the thing to work. anyway I went on & have just drawn the next picture on the slate (big circle w/lines out of on top & bottom. surprisingly the Bahro liked it the first time & I pressed the new sign on the pedestal & ended up in a red room talking to Esher again. He left me there & now I don't know where I am or how to et out or where I am supposed to go. the WT didn't tell me anything about this!!!

Mome

This sounds rather suspiciously like the Bahro has misinterpreted your drawing of the third pedestal symbol, as the Keep pedestal.. the place you are describing and Esher's speech in the red carpeted room is definitely the Todelmer Keep.

I'd suggest, if you want to play through the regular way, to go back to a savepoint earlier.. because if you are at the Keep, then your slate is now mounted on the Keep pedestal and there is no way to get it off.. as soon as you touch the thing it will move down and unlock it's arm from the tablet, and then you are essentially done with Todelmer.

PS. there is a particular bug in the Todelmer world btw, and is well documented over at the Myst forums.. apparently some people were even drawing a pacman symbol on their slates.. and being catapaulted to the finish of Todelmer because the Bahro interpreted it as the Keep symbol.

Well, I started over AGAIN, from the red control room, powered up, etc went thru all things & am now at the tram which I can't get into, moved the lever in the blue lit building to the left & pulled down center lever, & still the tram is too far down to get into. Also have set all the coordinates, etc. What have I left out? Or where do I need to go back to?

thanks

Mome

Mome, you probably have to move the tram a little farthe LEFT with those same controls. With the top lever set LEFT, pull the center lever down, wait for it to stop, then pull it down once more. I think it will stop making motor noise after the tram is all the way back.

Have fun,

Dadguy

I am NOT having fun Dadguy. There are now 2 slab looking things over the tram??? I must need to go back even further, maybe I didn't set a coordinate correctly??? In the red room there is a power spot that has 2 sets of little figures (coordinates) maybe I did something wrong there?

Thanks

Mome

I don't know what you mean about the two slab looking things. Maybe you are referring to the cables that block you way up the path. They can be removed by setting the controls on the "broken" machine to the settings that the walkthrough recommends so you can get back up to the tram setting device.

Let us know hat you find.

Dadguy

Sorry Dadguy, I'm finding myself getting hysterical with this game & probably not making myself clear!!! What I am seeing at the tram are 2 concrete steps/slabs that are covering the tram. They were not there before I went back & moved the lever in the blue house to the left & moved the central lever up & down twice. I'll go back & move the lever to the right & see if that does anything.

thanks

Mome

EDIT - Since I am having sooo much trouble getting on the tram am I able to go to one of the other 2 ages & come back to todelmer?? If so, how do I do it.

Thanks

Mome

Those slabs are what you walk on to get into the Tram. You walk onto the near one to the middle of it, then search for the hot spot (below you) where the ladder is, then click to look down, then click the next hotspot to decend the ladder.

You cannot move the tram back to the right or you will not be able to walk on the concrete slab. Move it all the way to the left.

Sure, you can go to the Ages in any order then come back later.

Good luck,

Dadguy