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Posted By: Michael

question Dark Fall Lost Souls - SPOILERS - 12/22/09 06:55 PM

My question belongs in this forum because it is about the nature of the story (as relates to success or failure-which is in essence a hint question)

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But what I'm curious about is what was the final outcome of Inspector (choosing to have Amy stay ending)?


The only thing I saw was the hospital light and hearing the Doctors.

Were the Doctors able to revive Inspector?


What was his final outcome?

Did he escape?

Did he die of heart failure?


Were there multiple endings in addition to the Amy Stay-Amy Go endings?
Posted By: MaG

Re: question Dark Fall Lost Souls - SPOILERS - 12/22/09 07:33 PM

I moved you to Discussion forum.

NO - it is not a hints forum question. You are asking about the storyline (not how to continue with a puzzle or ask for a solution) which should be here at Discussion forum.
Posted By: Michael

Re: question Dark Fall Lost Souls - SPOILERS - 12/23/09 12:39 AM

I have come to the conclusion that this game is one of the most enjoyable adventure titles I have played in at least the last five years.


Quite remarkable!


I would like to know about the ending

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What happens to the Inspector?

Is he killed (last scenario)

How does the the player judge if they were successful at the last scenario?
Posted By: Michael

Re: question Dark Fall Lost Souls - SPOILERS - 12/26/09 05:27 AM

Is there someone who can help me with this?
Posted By: BrownEyedTigre

Re: question Dark Fall Lost Souls - SPOILERS - 12/26/09 05:54 AM

Sorry Michael, I have not finished yet.

Ana wave
Posted By: Dumbledore

Re: question Dark Fall Lost Souls - SPOILERS - 12/26/09 06:13 AM

Hi Michael,
that's a difficult one. I had a similar response when I played the game.
Jonathan doesn't always reveal a definitive answer to this kind of question,
preferring to let gamers interact with the story in their own way.
Personally, I got the feeling that the game is about redemption.

Maybe asking some further questions might help you reach your own conclusion(or at least open up some debate).
So, here are a few to get you going.
1. Was the inspector alive?
2. Did the inspectors medication contribute to his perceptions?
3. What happened to the soul, that couldn't be helped?
4. Who remains trapped in the hotel at the end?

I know this doesn't answer the question but might help you clarify your own feeling about what finally happened. :-)
Posted By: old lady

Re: question Dark Fall Lost Souls - SPOILERS - 12/26/09 12:04 PM

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The drug "clozapine" is an antipysotic used to treat people who suffer from hearing voices, seeing things that are not there and who are paranoid. It should not be taken with alchol.
So had the inspector stopped taking the drug or was he mixing it with the vodka?

Posted By: Phoenix Star

Re: question Dark Fall Lost Souls - SPOILERS - 12/29/09 12:38 AM

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I think Echo and the voice in front of the water tower was an illusion due to the pills and vodka, and that Amy killed Mr. Bones to make The Inspector feel like he killed him with his false accusation (of which he may have also done because of hallucinations) so that he would feel bad and stay behind to save her, thinking he deserved it. I don't know how it ended (it really could have gone either way) but if I was the Inspector I would have gotten the hell out of there, as Bones said it was Amy's own choice to go to the hotel, which somehow qualifies as a "better" place. If you choose to leave, I think the Inspector ended up in the real police office (not an illusion in the hotel) and passed out, but will be OK as the doctors said. If not, clearly he was taken by the Dark Fall like Amy was originally. However, the whole game could have been a hallucination because of the vodka and pills. The Shadowkin killing him on Floor 1 could have simply been an overdose...(he was also in the hospital after that, but dying...) and choosing to leave Amy behind may have let him wake up. And I did see a few inconsistencies from The Journal, but I always assumed that they had been changed in 2003 when all the architects were there...

The whole sister thing was just totally weird though, and I did not get that at all. I could see Amy wanting to make them her sisters if she was just a fan of the books...but it was a tale of FOUR sisters, and the fourth was never mentioned. It was like Amy was a planned part of their family...and what was this about talking to Hazel and suddenly starting a fire? That's how Hazel died, by a farmer burning his fields...I would say that the books are a metaphor of Amy's sisters, but she's an only child! That whole thing was just way too confusing...leave it to Jonathan to make a game like that. Did anyone download the Companion Guide? The Lights Out CG cleared up some things a bit (albiet five years later)...just wondered if some of the mysteries were solved in that. And did anyone notice the author of the Sister books? Edmund Gruel...a Lost Crown reference. That man was so strange...


And what was with all the magazines all over the floor in the hotel and water tower with hot guys on them? I'm not even going to BEGIN to think of an explanation for that...
Posted By: Michael

Re: question Dark Fall Lost Souls - SPOILERS - 01/02/10 08:32 PM

Originally Posted By: Dumbledore
Hi Michael,
that's a difficult one. I had a similar response when I played the game.
Jonathan doesn't always reveal a definitive answer to this kind of question,
preferring to let gamers interact with the story in their own way.
Personally, I got the feeling that the game is about redemption.

Maybe asking some further questions might help you reach your own conclusion(or at least open up some debate).
So, here are a few to get you going.
1. Was the inspector alive?
2. Did the inspectors medication contribute to his perceptions?
3. What happened to the soul, that couldn't be helped?
4. Who remains trapped in the hotel at the end?

I know this doesn't answer the question but might help you clarify your own feeling about what finally happened. :-)






You see this is the thing (at the end);

Was the Inspector alive?

I don't know..

I could have chosen from two different endings (see above)

It did not appear (from either ending) that Inspector survived.

I could be wrong

I simply did not perceive this from the final (choice of two) scenarios.


Perhaps there were other alternative endings I did not see.

Does anyone know of this?

My interpretation (of Inspector dying) would be I failed at the game but how would I know whether he did or did not?

Surely (as evidenced by ending scenario) I would consider that I had "failed" and therefore lost the game were I to have chosen the; "I'm going,you stay,Amy",ending



Sometimes, I perceived stuff like the pills,vodka etc. were supposed to represent Inspector's personal demons he was trying to conquer. Other times I thought these "demons" belonged to some other malevolent being and Inspector was battling it.

It seemed to me (from a purely simplistic point of view) that by stabbing those creatures with the scissors that I defeated someone's demons but I don't know who they belonged to.
Posted By: seagul

Re: question Dark Fall Lost Souls - SPOILERS - 01/02/10 09:14 PM

It seems to me the Inspektor had
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too much of his medicine mixed with alcohol (we see real fotografs of the abuse when the Inspektor encounters the Life Leech in the bathroom - so this seems to be a part that took place in the reality).
So he fellt in a sort of coma, where he experienced a strange dream, caused by his bad conscience (he killed Mr. Bones) and the unfinished case of Amy he could never solve.
If this strange dream has his own reality is not revealed to us.

At the end of
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this dream the inspektor has two options: to change the place with Amy or to left her behind.

Which option is the best,
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we don't know. Amy isn't a charming and innocent child which should be protected. She is evil, says the actress (Maltilda Fly), and Amy behaves strange. Even her schoolmistress is disgusted about her.
So should the Inspektor leave Amy in the claws of the Dark Fall? That means he is dead in the real world and replaces Amy as a ghost in the hotel.

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should the inspektor save his own life by leaving Amy? We see how he comes back to the real world and hear a doctor saying that he is going to be alright.

Like often in the games of Jonathan Boakes there is no simple story, no clear and definite ending, no obvious facts, you have to think about the whole game and find your own answers. There are hints in the game. Think about all the unanswered questions, all the oppositional events and all the different elements that build the game. Perhaps you find your answers, but it takes time. luck

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Originally Posted By: Michael
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It seemed to me (from a purely simplistic point of view) that by stabbing those creatures with the scissors that I defeated someone's demons but I don't know who they belonged to.

The demons/Life Leech hold the ghosts captive, as Gloria and Matilda say after the inspector kills their Life Leech.
This is said about the Life Leech on the game-side:
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Life Leech: A vile, stinking creature that lives off souls in torment. Like a parasite, it is utterly dependent on a host, a ghost trapped in purgatory. The leech feeds and lives by consuming the negative energy created when somebody dies prematurely, and is unable to 'move on'. Only by successfully calling up a spirit, or ghost, will you be able to see the Life Leech itself. It is a precious moment, and all too brief, given that you must vanquish the leech to 'free' the ghost and communicate with them.
Posted By: Jenny100

Re: question Dark Fall Lost Souls - SPOILERS - 01/03/10 12:46 AM

Originally Posted By: Michael
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Surely (as evidenced by ending scenario) I would consider that I had "failed" and therefore lost the game were I to have chosen the; "I'm going,you stay,Amy",ending.

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That depends on how you interpret things. What makes you think Amy would have left, even if the Inspector were to stay?

The way I see it, Amy can't be saved. She willingly gave herself to the Dark Fall. And she is trying to get the Inspector to give himself to the Dark Fall as well.

Another idea... How did Echo know where to go next? Maybe the events in the game have been cycling -- and they've all happened before. Echo is the part of the Inspector's mind that remembers what needs to be done. Every time the Inspector chooses to stay for Amy's sake, the Dark Fall devours him and the game plays out all over again. Only by leaving Amy behind and refusing to play her "game" can the Inspector "wake up" and resume his life.

Posted By: Phoenix Star

Re: question Dark Fall Lost Souls - SPOILERS - 01/03/10 06:17 PM

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So it could all be a dream, and if he dies at the end, he replaces Amy's ghost in the hotel, or not, and they would both be there and she would have company. Or it could also be real, but I'm leaning more towards a dream. Quite interesting.
Posted By: Jill

Re: question Dark Fall Lost Souls - SPOILERS - 01/03/10 06:29 PM

I've just finished playing the Lost Crown which I thought was outstanding in every respect and was planning to buy DF Lost Souls. However I read somewhere that there are some tricky timed sequences in it. Is this right? If so can they be oversome with a bit of trial and error? I just can't manage the speed needed on some otherwise super games. For instance I'm stuck right at the end of Nancy Drew Phantom of Venice and had to give up.
Posted By: Jenny100

Re: question Dark Fall Lost Souls - SPOILERS - 01/03/10 07:02 PM

Originally Posted By: Phoenix Star
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So it could all be a dream, and if he dies at the end, he replaces Amy's ghost in the hotel, or not, and they would both be there and she would have company. Or it could also be real, but I'm leaning more towards a dream. Quite interesting.

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Yes, I think the whole thing is a hallucination -- combined with serious side effects of his medication. The nightmare/hallucination is a manifestation of his mind working through his obsession with finding Amy. If you look up his drug, Clozapine, in the ***Wilkipedia***, it has serious side effects:

"The FDA also requires clozapine to carry five black box warnings for agranulocytosis, seizures, myocarditis, for "other adverse cardiovascular and respiratory effects", and for "increased mortality in elderly patients with dementia-related psychosis.""

In the situations where the Inspector is overwhelmed by one of the shadowkin, or when he goes up the stairs and is overwhelmed by black Dark Fall symbols, you see a cut scene where the doctors are reviving him after his heart has stopped.

Even if what you see in the game is a dream, you could still see it as having ties to the evil of the Dark Fall. The Inspector's spirit could be trapped in the old hotel/train station while his body is in the hospital. Time could be running differently in the nightmare, with the part of the game you're spending in the nightmare taking only seconds in the "real world" where the doctors are trying to revive the Inspector.

One part I'm not clear about is Amy's sisters. They seem to be characters written about by Mr. Gruel, and they appear in the game as dolls. Yet Amy seems to talk about them as if they were once real sisters that she could play with.

Also I don't understand what the mannikins are supposed to represent. There is that one room with the TV where you have to do a puzzle before the shadowkin gets you - and the shadowkin seems to be inside a mannikin, or animating the mannikin, that approaches you as you are doing the puzzle. But most of the mannikins maintain static poses through out the game, and some are helpful -- pointing out things for you to look at.
Posted By: Phoenix Star

Re: question Dark Fall Lost Souls - SPOILERS - 01/04/10 07:02 PM

Originally Posted By: Jill
I've just finished playing the Lost Crown which I thought was outstanding in every respect and was planning to buy DF Lost Souls. However I read somewhere that there are some tricky timed sequences in it. Is this right? If so can they be oversome with a bit of trial and error? I just can't manage the speed needed on some otherwise super games. For instance I'm stuck right at the end of Nancy Drew Phantom of Venice and had to give up.


There's one timed sequence but it's very easy to get by.

Originally Posted By: Jenny100
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Yes, I think the whole thing is a hallucination -- combined with serious side effects of his medication. The nightmare/hallucination is a manifestation of his mind working through his obsession with finding Amy. If you look up his drug, Clozapine, in the ***Wilkipedia***, it has serious side effects:

"The FDA also requires clozapine to carry five black box warnings for agranulocytosis, seizures, myocarditis, for "other adverse cardiovascular and respiratory effects", and for "increased mortality in elderly patients with dementia-related psychosis.""

In the situations where the Inspector is overwhelmed by one of the shadowkin, or when he goes up the stairs and is overwhelmed by black Dark Fall symbols, you see a cut scene where the doctors are reviving him after his heart has stopped.

Even if what you see in the game is a dream, you could still see it as having ties to the evil of the Dark Fall. The Inspector's spirit could be trapped in the old hotel/train station while his body is in the hospital. Time could be running differently in the nightmare, with the part of the game you're spending in the nightmare taking only seconds in the "real world" where the doctors are trying to revive the Inspector.

One part I'm not clear about is Amy's sisters. They seem to be characters written about by Mr. Gruel, and they appear in the game as dolls. Yet Amy seems to talk about them as if they were once real sisters that she could play with.

Also I don't understand what the mannikins are supposed to represent. There is that one room with the TV where you have to do a puzzle before the shadowkin gets you - and the shadowkin seems to be inside a mannikin, or animating the mannikin, that approaches you as you are doing the puzzle. But most of the mannikins maintain static poses through out the game, and some are helpful -- pointing out things for you to look at.


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Yeah I didn't get the sisters either. I think the mannequins are just Amy's decor for the hotel, haha...
Posted By: Jill

Re: question Dark Fall Lost Souls - SPOILERS - 01/04/10 07:28 PM

Thanks, Phoenix Star. I'll definitely be getting this game now smile
Posted By: Argyle1968

Re: question Dark Fall Lost Souls - SPOILERS - 01/06/10 02:47 PM

I think Jonathan likes to leave his games open to interpretation, and that any reasonable interpretation is valid. That said, my own sense of what happened is

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What we "play" is more or less a "death dream". Those who've seen the film Mulholland Drive will understand what I mean by that. What I believe happens is that our character, the Inspector, has botched a murder investigation. He knows that Amy is dead, he is 99% certain that Bones killed her, and he also knows that because he didn't have the evidence to tie Bones to Amy, Bones walked. These facts have haunted us for years, leading to a dependency on the drugs and vodka. At the beginning of the game, our desperation and despair have reached a crisis point. We wander into the old tunnel where we have built a shrine to Amy. We overdose. We hallucinate in our final waking moments. What follows is a guilt-ridden nightmare that we manufacture to rationalize what has happened.

Whether Amy is indeed a macabre little girl, whether she and Bones were involved in black magic, whether we even killed Bones is all red herring, IMO. It enhances the plot, and ups the creep factor, but I think the basic plot here is that our failures as a law enforcement officer have resulted in a diseased and warped mind that has manufactured a rather ghoulish and nightmarish end for ourself.

The two resolutions at the end of the game are equally open to interpretation, but I don't think either suggests that we've survived the ordeal. If we "free" Amy, then we've accepted responsibility and come to terms with that. If we don't, our nightmare continues into eternity.


That's about a penny's worth.

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Posted By: seagul

Re: question Dark Fall Lost Souls - SPOILERS - 01/06/10 09:27 PM

Hello, Argyle, i like your idea that
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the events in the tunnel are part of the real world.


You say
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that the altar in the tunnel was made by the Inspector. I think it is Mr. Bones who constructed the altar. A hint might be the card in which Mr. Bones apologizes about Amys death
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I could never hurt you ... Where are you?
The doll parts and the mannequins are other hints. Everything seems to be arranged by Mr. Bones.
I think (if we can presume, that the events in the tunnel before the Inspectors blackout happen in the real world) this blackout may be caused by his realisation that he killed an innocent man. So this realisation (and his abuse) lead to his blackout and the following events.


I can't understand why you believe
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the greatest part of the story is only a red hering. Perhaps you havent't played a game made by Jonathan Boakes before? My experience with his games is, that every little bit has a meaning for the whole story - that is one of the reasons why i love his games.

As i understand you, you believe the Inspector is
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experiencing a bad dream which may never end. As it is put at darkfallgames.com, it seems to me, the inspector is enclosed in a regret as
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a place in time and space where somebody made the 'wrong' decision. It is something they would always regret, possibly leading to their own demise.
Matilda, Gloria and Andrew are caught in such regrets, but we can conclude that the Inspector is it, too. He is in a kind of purgatorium.

That leads me to the
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two resolutions at the and of the game. It seems that one decision "awakes" him to the reality and the other one makes him a prey of the Dark Fall. But you may be right by saying, that he will never survive the ordeal. It can be that if he chooses the wrong answer his purgatorium will be renewed and he has to experience the whole events anew - as it seems to happen for the other 3 ghosts. They could only escape their purgatorium by unterstanding their errors and making it better/correcting tham by creating new memories.

But what is the error that the inspector has made?
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It ist not his failure to find Amy, it is the murder of Mr. Bones, comitted by him because he was driven to find Amy or at least take revenge for the death of Amy. The Inspector is driven by his thoughts about Amy, they lead him to murder. So in his purgatorium he must himself free from this thoughts.

What do you (and all the others) think about that idea?

There are so many interesting leads in this game, that till now nobody has mentioned.
For example
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there is a phrase writen on the wall of the lady toilett:
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and to him was given the key to the bottomless pit

Revelation 9:1:
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And the fifth angel sounded the trumpet: and I saw a star fall from heaven upon the earth. And there was given to him the key of the bottomless pit.
This bottomless pit is interpreted as the hell, as waters deep under the earth and as the place of punishement in the Septuagint cosmography (didn't know itbefore, but you can find it with google).
If we than look at the story, we see in the book with the sign of the Dark Fall, we can notice the Dark Fall represented as a star and a well, where the Dark Fall can survive the assaults of the man with the artifact.

That leads us towards many new ideas.

I hope i made myself clear, my vocabulary is so limited. blush
Posted By: Phoenix Star

Re: question Dark Fall Lost Souls - SPOILERS - 01/06/10 09:52 PM

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Until now I had always thought killing Mr. Bones was a lie by his subconscious, but maybe The Inspector actually killed him in reality with scissors, hence their prominence in the dream. And maybe he did that because of his mixture of pills and vodka, and truly believed he needed to die.

Yes, maybe the dream DOES repeat if he chooses to let Amy go - then he starts screaming in blackness exactly like after he left the tunnel! A dream would also make more sense than reality because of the carrying of objects to different memories and back (which doesn't make sense), allowing time to be changed and nullifying the first game. But I guess that didn't even happen itself...:/


Originally Posted By: seagul
There are so many interesting leads in this game, that till now nobody has mentioned.
For example
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there is a phrase writen on the wall of the lady toilett:
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and to him was given the key to the bottomless pit

Revelation 9:1:
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And the fifth angel sounded the trumpet: and I saw a star fall from heaven upon the earth. And there was given to him the key of the bottomless pit.
This bottomless pit is interpreted as the hell, as waters deep under the earth and as the place of punishement in the Septuagint cosmography (didn't know itbefore, but you can find it with google).
If we than look at the story, we see in the book with the sign of the Dark Fall, we can notice the Dark Fall represented as a star and a well, where the Dark Fall can survive the assaults of the man with the artifact.

That leads us towards many new ideas.


Wow, that's interesting! I remember that was on the wall of the bathroom in Dark Fall 1, but I did not catch the picture reference.
Posted By: seagul

Re: question Dark Fall Lost Souls - SPOILERS - 01/06/10 10:57 PM

A wonderfull idea with the
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scissors. This could be a hint in the direction i was pointing.
Originally Posted By: Phoenix Star
And maybe he did that because of his mixture of pills and vodka, and truly believed he needed to die.
I thought he started the drug abuse because of the murder and because of his obsession with Amy. It seems to me, all started with Amys dissapearence. The Inspector investigated and got caught by the idea of the innocent child he was not able to guard/find. This lead him to plant the evidence and, as he didn't succeed with this, he followd Mr. Bones to his hiding-place and killed him on bonfire night. But thats only my logic, i found no obviuos hints in this direction.


Wow, that's interesting! I remember that was on the wall of the bathroom in Dark Fall 1, but I did not catch the picture reference. [/quote]

There are so many interesting hints in the game. For example

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the 3 dolls, to which Amy refers as her sisters.
We know about the book "The four sisters" and Rowan, Ashley and Hazel. The forth sister is never mentioned (as someone stated here before). On the cover of the book we see only 3 sisters and a doll. Is Amy the sister # 4? Sounds not right, because her name doesn't refer to a plant, like the other sisters names. In Amys schoolbooks she mentions a girl called Hazel, which she injured by fire. Strange coincidence. It leeds me to the idea, that perhaps Amy "created" her sisters in some way. She was, because of her macabre behaviour, surely a lonely child without friends.

It is, too, a strange coincidence, that Amy
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went missing on the day the schoolmistress wrote the letter about Amy to be expelled from school. So we can assume, Amy run away and had no intent to come back. She was to much in the world of ghosts and her (imaginary) sisters.
Posted By: Phoenix Star

Re: question Dark Fall Lost Souls - SPOILERS - 01/07/10 12:48 AM

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Perhaps the books were just part of the hallucination and she made the dolls and their personas herself.
Posted By: old lady

Re: question Dark Fall Lost Souls - SPOILERS - 01/07/10 01:31 PM

I love the way Jonathan's games throw up so many ideas and make me think.
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[/spoiler]I thought that having achived her aim of meeting her dark angels with the help of Mr Bones she then lured him to the water tower, locked him in and left him to die[spoiler]
Posted By: Jenny100

Re: question Dark Fall Lost Souls - SPOILERS - 01/07/10 10:26 PM

Originally Posted By: old lady
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I thought that having achived her aim of meeting her dark angels with the help of Mr Bones she then lured him to the water tower, locked him in and left him to die

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It looked to me like he was jammed into a small closet. I don't see how a little girl like Amy could jam a grown man into a closet, even if he were already dead. And I don't see why he'd have consented to get inside the closet if he were conscious. Unless Amy mind-controlled the Inspector into doing it, I don't think she's responsible for that particular bit of evil.
Posted By: old lady

Re: question Dark Fall Lost Souls - SPOILERS - 01/08/10 03:22 PM

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[/spoiler]However, Mr Bones, who adored Amy, would have been willing to play one of her games, hide and seek springs to mind. He hides in the space in the water tower and Amy then blocks the entrance and leaves him to die. She returns when he is dead and places the coins over his eyes. Maybe he is to be a guardian for the sisters coffins?[spoiler]
Posted By: seagul

Re: question Dark Fall Lost Souls - SPOILERS - 01/08/10 04:43 PM

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It seems to me the Inspector is a much more evident murder. It fits in the story. But on the other hand: i can't imagine the Inspektor giving Mr. Bones the two coins for the ferryman.


Did someone understand the link between
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the three dolls in the coffins and Mr. Bones? The 3 dolls are the sisters Amy is talking about. Are they her dark Angels? The ghosts can' t be her dark angels, they don't care about Amy and don't protect her.


Did anyone notice that the subtitle of the game is "it knows your name" and we never get to know the name of the Inspector?
Or that the moonlike symbol that stands for the "o" in "Souls" has the same shape as the Dark Fall image in the book?
Posted By: Phoenix Star

Re: question Dark Fall Lost Souls - SPOILERS - 01/08/10 05:04 PM

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I think as Old Lady pointed out, Amy put Mr. Bones up there to watch over her sisters somehow, but then The Inspector freed him, and at the end Amy said someone had to stay behind to look after her sisters. I think The Inspector killed Bones though.

And yes, I did notice we never learned his name lol! Everything was always to "The Inspector"...
Posted By: Jenny100

Re: question Dark Fall Lost Souls - SPOILERS - 01/09/10 04:24 PM

Here's another idea...
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We know the guy's schizophrenic, right? Otherwise he wouldn't be taking Clozapine. What if he has split personalities (at least during this hallucination/dream/nightmare he's having while the doctors are trying to revive him)? What if Mr. Bones is the Inspector? Everything (or almost everything) we see in the game is taking place in his mind, so what we see may be distorted, or symbolic. The Inspector "killing" Mr. Bones may be the Inspector personality suppressing the other one.

This idea might explain why "the Inspector" is never given a real name in the game. And it's possible one of the guy's other personalities actually did kill Amy, though not the Mr Bones personality that the Inspector blamed for it.

Or if all the characters in the game are aspects of the same person's personality, there may never have been a real "Amy" outside of his dream/nightmare. So what might Amy (the evil kid archetype) represent in psychological terms?
Posted By: seagul

Re: question Dark Fall Lost Souls - SPOILERS - 01/09/10 07:45 PM

Sounds very confusing. woozy

But that is a possible interpretation. - Not the one i would prefere, because it gives way to new aspects i don't see hints for in the story (but that's only me). I try to explain this while speaking about the transformation, see below.

A new idea about the subtitle
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Mr. Bones seems never to use his own name, even the Dowerton Messenger doesn't mention his name. But
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We find his ID card on his skeleton. So by letting know his name he got vulnerable? Or am i seeing to much? crazy


Does someone know what to do with the signs we see in the televion at the storeroom in the first floor?
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The first six signs that appear on television we need to calibrate the artifact. I understand this. But what about the following sequence? Do they mean something?


There are so many hints to transformations.
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For example:
In the storeroom at the television we see a blossom flourishing and the metamorphosis of a butterfly.
There is the creepy room 1C with the pictures of insects and the pods dangling from the wall (even the Life Leechs seems to evolve).
Gloria and the other ghosts state, before they dissapear, that now they can "move on".
The butterfly can be associated with the human soul that is freed from desires, pain and regretts that held her captive of the Dark Fall and its allys.
Hence for me a mayor theme of the game is the overcoming of internal limitations. The whole story of the Inspector can be seen by this idea.
A question that this evocates: is the Dark Fall really bad, as in "destroying"? It could be seen as a kind of help to find the right way - even if not intendet by the Dark Fall itself.


I would like to repeat my question about Amys angel:
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Has someone a clue what the dark angels are? Are Amys so called sisters the dark angels? I can't seem to find a hint in this direction. And what is the bond between the sisters/dolls and Mr. Bones? Why can the Inspector free Mr. Bones by helping the 3 dolls?????? headscratch
Posted By: Phoenix Star

Re: question Dark Fall Lost Souls - SPOILERS - 01/09/10 08:19 PM

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I think Mr. Bones is real. The Inspector wouldn't have left that note at Amy's altar (in the real world in the tunnel). And I think Amy had him there to watch over her sisters, so helping them freed him.
Posted By: seagul

Re: question Dark Fall Lost Souls - SPOILERS - 01/09/10 09:07 PM

I, too, think that

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Mr. Bones is real. But my reason is another one. It has to do with the whole guilt-and-transcend-story i mentioned above.
The events that take place in the tunnel seem to me part of the twilight zone (or how else you will name it). The Echo sends a text message in the tunnel, and we know, that the Echo is part of the subconcience of the Inspektor.
I think the real world is represented black (like in the very beginning of the game, when the Inspector is chased into the tunnel) and white (when the inspector is having a near death experience.
The altar, as you say, Phoenix Star, is made by Mr. Bones. There is his name written over the matress, stating that this place is his home (pour guy).
What irritates me is the sign of the Dark Fall next to Mr. Bones name. Does this mean Mr. Bones put himself under the protection of the Dark Fall?
On Mr. Bones ID card is scraweled the sign of the Dark Fall on it. In the book of the Dark Fall the incomple signs stands for destoyed Dark Falls. What does this mean? headscratch


The idea of Mr. Bones beeing the one who
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should watch over Amys sisters is interesting. But i don't find any hints for this in the game itself. I'm not even sure if Mr. Bones is creepy but harmless or part of the Dark Fall.
Posted By: Phoenix Star

Re: question Dark Fall Lost Souls - SPOILERS - 01/11/10 03:23 AM

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I forgot about the text in the tunnel. It could be some limbo dimension or "the Twilight Zone" as you called it. Maybe the Inspector was half dreaming already when he entered the tunnel. After all, Amy laughed after he repaired the doll and knocked over a cart.

The broken Dark Fall sign is interesting. Perhaps Bones also gave himself to the Dark Fall after Amy did, and had power over it.
Posted By: seagul

Re: question Dark Fall Lost Souls - SPOILERS - 01/12/10 05:43 PM

I bought yesterday the offical companion guide written by Jonathan Boakes himself.
I thought it might help me to understand more. Perhaps i didn't get some details because english is not my native language.
That was great idea. So now i can happily (ans satisfied) close the chapter Lost Souls (till i want to replay ist) and start another game. zombie

By this i don't say that the companion guide answers ALL questions, but it gives a better picture of the whole story (at least to me).
Posted By: BrownEyedTigre

Re: question Dark Fall Lost Souls - SPOILERS - 01/12/10 05:59 PM

Glad it helped you seagul.

Ana wave
Posted By: mcc

Re: question Dark Fall Lost Souls - SPOILERS - 01/20/10 05:36 PM

The environment is nightmarish,
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I started looking at it as a dream possibility, I posted in a different place
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I looked for dream meanings and found that psychoanalytically scissors tend to point to the need of "mending" our life affected by issues of the past.

because I was asking myself about the meaning of so many scissors.

The meaning of mannequins seem to point to that the dreamer is not taking enough action about something he should address.


Maybe more meanings can be found in this way think



Posted By: Becky

Re: question Dark Fall Lost Souls - SPOILERS - 02/10/10 04:50 PM

I've been replaying this game and thinking more about it. I'm not sure whether to still use spoiler tags because the thread title says spoilers, so I'll kind of wing it. grin

I think the Dark Fall is an evil force that the ancients encountered and finally trapped under the earth near what eventually became Dowerton. It's stronger with proximity -- so the closer you are to the station, the more powerful it is. The evil seeks release and also tries to influence the living and the dead.

It affects the living by making them prone to hatred, and fear, and further on to suicide and murder. Perhaps it also calls the living toward occult practices and pulls them toward "suicidal" addictions -- drugs, alcohol, etc. (I think the room with the playing cards, syringes, bottles and magazines represents addictions.) The local people seem to have more than a common share of problems, according to the local newspaper.

The Darkfall affects the dead by calling them back to it after death, using their "regrets" and then trapping them.

Maybe the mannequins
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represent Mr. Bones? They are in his hidey hole at the beginning of the game, and in the cafe where he prepares his meals. We see mannequins twice with their hands as though in handcuffs -- we know Mr. Bones was arrested. In the cafe, there's a brief glimpse of a ghost wearing handcuffs.

I think Bones killed Amy or allowed her to be killed in room 1A -- perhaps he let the shadowkin kill her, or perhaps the shadowkin possessed him and he killed her.

The mannequins around the hallways on the first floor are shutting something out -- two cover their eyes, the another his ears. The mannequin originally outside the storeroom near Platform 2 on the first floor appears to be in "handcuffed" position early in the game. Later in the game, he has moved and points to the storeroom, his head bowed in shame.

The wall just outside the storeroom has a drawing of the devil. In the storeroom, Amy has drawn a picture of the hotel and the only dark room in the picture is 1A. You can hear "silent night" playing as if on a music box as the camera zooms in on the dark window of 1A -- and in 1A itself, the same tune plays when you get close to the TV screen and hear the interrogation.

The mannequins in 2B -- two sit with heads bowed, the other is trying to get out. I think this is the only place that mannequins are actually in the rooms. There are scissors all over the bed, and blood. I think 2B is where The Inspector killed Mr. Bones, using scissors.


There are red crosses on the doors of all the first floor rooms, and red crosses on the four coffins (3 in the water tower, 1 in Mr. Bones' hidey hold at the beginning of the game). I think the red cross represents a murder.

The doors upstairs don't have red crosses on them, and there are many fewer symbols of the Darkfall. The second floor seems to be the suicide floor, while the first floor seems to be the murder floor.

EDIT -- thinking more about this -- I should have said room 2B is where the mannequins are sitting with heads bowed, and where the Inspector probably killed Mr. Bones. I've changed that above to correct the mistake.

I've also realized that 1E has a suicide (Gloria Grable) instead of a murder victim in it. So my theory of the first floor as the murder floor doesn't hold water. frown

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